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[diffusionx]

Deaf girl side mission, one part of town has a gay flag somewhere, and omg the female lead isn’t hot

Sorry, ill continue not caring dearly about any of that being a big deal

Deaf girl side mission
Gay homecoming mission
Intentionally overpowered stunning and brave MJ

Spoiler

"Step aside honkey" storyline (just like the M-She-U)

Spoiler

Scream whining like a feminist on a college campus while you fight her

Miles chasing around a fucking sax because "the museum is for OUR PEOPLE" (this message was much more prominent in the MM game) and then you have to spend time in the museum reading about HIS PEOPLE.
Hippie dip environmental missions
Danikast is basically a redditor posting the most cringe stuff imaginable
Black Cat talking about her girlfriend, sorry how many times did Peter hit that? Left unsaid.

The big problem with all this stuff is that it is BORING. The gay homecoming side mission SUCKS. Shooting down robot bees or whatever is fucking BORING. Hailey and Ganke are HORRIBLE characters in this game, probably because like so much other woke stuff, the writers had to drain them of all nuance and turn them into cardboard cutouts. They were both much better in the Miles Morales game.

Look, in the end, if you liked SM2018, you'll probably like this, the gameplay is good, and I'm not telling anyone not to play it, but claiming that this game isn't woke is fucking wrong. It just is.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Deaf girl side mission
Gay homecoming mission
Intentionally overpowered stunning and brave MJ
"Step aside honkey" storyline (just like the M-She-U)
Miles chasing around a fucking sax because "the museum is for OUR PEOPLE" (this message was much more prominent in the MM game) and then you have to spend time in the museum reading about HIS PEOPLE.
Hippie dip environmental missions
Danikast is basically a redditor posting the most cringe stuff imaginable
Black Cat talking about her girlfriend, sorry how many times did Peter hit that? Left unsaid.

The big problem with all this stuff is that it is BORING. The gay homecoming side mission SUCKS. Shooting down robot bees or whatever is fucking BORING. Hailey and Ganke are HORRIBLE characters in this game, probably because like so much other woke stuff, the writers had to drain them of all nuance and turn them into cardboard cutouts. They were both much better in the Miles Morales game.

Look, in the end, if you liked SM2018, you'll probably like this, the gameplay is good, and I'm not telling anyone not to play it, but claiming that this game isn't woke is fucking wrong. It just is.

By your definition of woke there’s almost zero games that aren’t woke

Again, a deaf girl side mission, a gay flag somewhere in a massive city, and women aren’t allowed to be anything other than eye candy

In a game mostly about chasing massive lizard, sand man, and venom throughout the city along with kraven

 

[diffusionx]

By your definition of woke there’s almost zero games that aren’t woke

Again, a deaf girl side mission, a gay flag somewhere in a massive city, and women aren’t allowed to be anything other than eye candy

In a game mostly about chasing massive lizard, sand man, and venom throughout the city along with kraven

Now you're just being intentionally obtuse and retarded.

 

[viveks86]

Deaf girl side mission, one part of town has a gay flag somewhere, and omg the female lead isn’t hot

Sorry, ill continue not caring dearly about any of that being a big deal

Come on man. See it for what it is. Heck, I'm "woke" by GAF standards and even I see it. I would happily consume these themes in media if it makes me think about it and feel... something. But the stuff people are complaining about sound like they were all designed by the HR department in a dark grey room with the sound of a copying machine whirring all day. Just tepid, unimaginative checklist stuff. Gotta call a spade a spade.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Now you're just being intentionally obtuse and retarded.

Like the people where this kind of mild stuff upsets them dearly

 

[diffusionx]

Like the people where this kind of mild stuff upsets them dearly

As I pointed out, it is interwoven into the entire game stem to stern.

 

[PeteBull]

Spidey2 is terrible and woke game, fair warning to all my spiderman loving gaf-bros who enjoyed movies/animated tv series and games, including non woke first spiderman from insomaniac, that shit is almost like tlou/tlou2 situation so terrible downgrade in everything but graphics/animation.
U have been warned, if u buy it its on ur own risk

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

As I pointed out, it is interwoven into the entire game stem to stern.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Deaf girl side mission
Gay homecoming mission
Intentionally overpowered stunning and brave MJ

Spoiler

"Step aside honkey" storyline (just like the M-She-U)

Spoiler

Scream whining like a feminist on a college campus while you fight her

Miles chasing around a fucking sax because "the museum is for OUR PEOPLE" (this message was much more prominent in the MM game) and then you have to spend time in the museum reading about HIS PEOPLE.
Hippie dip environmental missions
Danikast is basically a redditor posting the most cringe stuff imaginable
Black Cat talking about her girlfriend, sorry how many times did Peter hit that? Left unsaid.

The big problem with all this stuff is that it is BORING. The gay homecoming side mission SUCKS. Shooting down robot bees or whatever is fucking BORING. Hailey and Ganke are HORRIBLE characters in this game, probably because like so much other woke stuff, the writers had to drain them of all nuance and turn them into cardboard cutouts. They were both much better in the Miles Morales game.

Look, in the end, if you liked SM2018, you'll probably like this, the gameplay is good, and I'm not telling anyone not to play it, but claiming that this game isn't woke is fucking wrong. It just is.

Damn. If I can't get a Saudi Arabia Definitive Edition mod then I just won't bother with it. Hopefully a mod releases and an alternative to Nexus isn't afraid to host it. Knowing Insomniac they probably would release a patch in an attempt to break the mod.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Come on man. See it for what it is. Heck, I'm "woke" by GAF standards and even I see it. I would happily consume these themes in media if it makes me think about it and feel... something. But the stuff people are complaining about sound like they were all designed by the HR department in a dark grey room with the sound of a copying machine whirring all day. Just tepid, unimaginative checklist stuff. Gotta call a spade a spade.

It’s easily forgettable, would I prefer it cut? Sure, do I pay it any attention beyond ignoring it after a few minutes? No..,people are massively overreacting

the game is non stop action with superb set piece design

 

[squidilix]

this just proves that this game would perfectly run on ps4 with instant teleport replaced by loading screens (which is okay because the first game had one of the most creative loading screens you can imagine)

EVERY GAME run on any machine
The question is Wich content and technical thing you cut...
And how much time do you waste optimizing on the weakest hardware?

And time is money

 

[diffusionx]

Damn. If I can't get a Saudi Arabia Definitive Edition mod then I just won't bother with it.

A lot of the stuff that isn't technically woke is also pretty cringe. I actually liked the Miles Morales game overall more if I think about it, which I played shortly before. Even though it obviously isn't as good graphically and in terms of setpieces or boss fights.

Like I said, it's still a good game. I'm just being straight with y'all and not going to pretend a super woke game isn't woke because I like it.

 

[Kacho]

Scream whining like a feminist on a college campus while you fight her

 

[MiguelItUp]

Now you're just being intentionally obtuse and retarded.

Eh. To be fair, those points will "bother" some and not others. But I guess that goes with the whole "woke" thing period. I've seen a lot of people say good/great things about Spider-Man 2 for the most part. Just kind of seemed like a, "If you enjoyed the first, you'll like this one" situation. I'm a huge Venom fan and haven't touched it, but thought I would on PC when it drops in price.

While not really important, I think Black Cat was canonically confirmed as bisexual as of 2020. Apparently she mentioned "not having a boyfriend or girlfriend" as far back as 2002. I looked it up because I was curious, lol. I used to love comics growing up, but I put them down when multiple storylines started going a bit too crazy, lol. I think it wasn't too long after the Thanos snap, lol.

It’s easily forgettable, would I prefer it cut? Sure, do I pay it any attention beyond ignoring it after a few minutes? No.. people are massively overreacting

the game is non stop action with superb set piece design

Yeah, it's definitely a personal opinion thing. But I think the whole "blockbuster action" segments are something everyone can agree one, at least from what I could tell.

 

[Hot5pur]

I hate the internet these days. I can't tell if this game is good from this thread, especially if some people catch a sniff of anything "woke" they lose their minds. Like deal with your emotional trigger issues elsewhere ffs

So petty grievances aside, how is the gameplay overall, is it really better than the first game?
I thought the first game was OK, gameplay was so-so, some missions were a SLOG, but traversal was fun. The MJ missions were painful but tolerable.
Boss designs were very meh, same for their gameplay, game just felt a little color-by-numbers spiderman game.
Should I play Miles Morales too?
Someone who is a mature adult please give me a sense of what this Spiderman 2 game is like.

 

[viveks86]

It’s easily forgettable, would I prefer it cut? Sure, do I pay it any attention beyond ignoring it after a few minutes? No..,people are massively overreacting

the game is non stop action with superb set piece design

Yeah I don't doubt that and I'm still excited to play it. I just wish you would acknowledge any such criticism once in a while

 

[Nickolaidas]

"Don't worry Spiderman, I'll save you!"

Jesus Christ, she looks like she's growing a tumor in her jaw.

 

[saintjules]

The game is a woke fest. I am not touching this DEI propaganda

You already touched it by entering the thread though

 

[diffusionx]

I hate the internet these days. I can't tell if this game is good from this thread, especially if some people catch a sniff of anything "woke" they lose their minds. Like deal with your emotional trigger issues elsewhere ffs

So petty grievances aside, how is the gameplay overall, is it really better than the first game?
I thought the first game was OK, gameplay was so-so, some missions were a SLOG, but traversal was fun. The MJ missions were painful but tolerable.
Boss designs were very meh, same for their gameplay, game just felt a little color-by-numbers spiderman game.
Should I play Miles Morales too?
Someone who is a mature adult please give me a sense of what this Spiderman 2 game is like.

The actual gameplay mechanics are maybe a slight step above the old game, but I have issues with the combat design. The boss fights are a big improvement over the last one. I liked Miles Morales and if you care about the story you probably want to play it.

It's not "a petty grievance" because a huge chunk of the side content of this game are these horribly designed boring woke missions. Like I said, they're not just woke, they're boring. I say this as a person who enjoyed getting the platinum in 2018. It's just not as fun this time around. But if all you care about are the main missions then yea this game is fine.

 

[viveks86]

I hate the internet these days. I can't tell if this game is good from this thread, especially if some people catch a sniff of anything "woke" they lose their minds. Like deal with your emotional trigger issues elsewhere ffs

So petty grievances aside, how is the gameplay overall, is it really better than the first game?
I thought the first game was OK, gameplay was so-so, some missions were a SLOG, but traversal was fun. The MJ missions were painful but tolerable.
Boss designs were very meh, same for their gameplay, game just felt a little color-by-numbers spiderman game.
Should I play Miles Morales too?
Someone who is a mature adult please give me a sense of what this Spiderman 2 game is like.

The first part and Miles were both fantastic on harder difficulties. Haven't gotten to part 2 yet, but I'm sure it's just as good. It just comes down to how some of the recurring themes in the game are going to make you react. Cheer, eyeroll or have an aneurysm.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

So petty grievances aside, how is the gameplay overall, is it really better than the first game?
I thought the first game was OK, gameplay was so-so, some missions were a SLOG, but traversal was fun. The MJ missions were painful but tolerable.
Boss designs were very meh, same for their gameplay, game just felt a little color-by-numbers spiderman game.
Should I play Miles Morales too?
Someone who is a mature adult please give me a sense of what this Spiderman 2 game is like.

The combat is greatly improved and expands on what was made in Miles, lots of versatility and new powers

Boss designs are really fun and varied, some absolutely epic encounters throughout the city especially with Venom

MJ missions are greatly reduced vs first game

The pacing in SM2 is far better than SM1 imho, it goes by quick because of all the set pieces

In my view it’s the best “set piece” game since Uncharted 2.

I enjoyed Miles but SM2 is better, kind of to be expected since Miles is more of a side story …but the Christmas vibe is cool

 

[onnextflix5]

1.2k pc to match the ps5, that’s cold,

 

[Hot5pur]

The actual gameplay mechanics are maybe a slight step above the old game, but I have issues with the combat design. The boss fights are a big improvement over the last one. I liked Miles Morales and if you care about the story you probably want to play it.

It's not "a petty grievance" because a huge chunk of the side content of this game are these horribly designed boring woke missions. Like I said, they're not just woke, they're boring. I say this as a person who enjoyed getting the platinum in 2018. It's just not as fun this time around. But if all you care about are the main missions then yea this game is fine.

That's fair. I do mind if it's boring, like how God of War Ragnarok makes you play as the kid and everyone just hates those sections. But if these are optional then I'm not too worried.
I'm personally not against woke stuff, to me that often translates to "wholesome" (but obviously there are bad examples). Like some things do it really well, for example the show "Sex Education", that is basically one giant woke show, but it was edgy and well done, and even some of my older family members who lose their minds over anything woke somehow managed to enjoy it (which shocked me). I hate being lectured to or have stuff be forced on me, but things are not always so black and white and sometimes i think people just choose to see what they want rather than what is actually there.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

But if all you care about are the main missions then yea this game is fine.

That’s the thing, most people are not playing Spiderman for the side missions, they’re just whatever in all the games.

The meat and potatoes is the campaign

 

[Killer8]

PC mods will save this game.

 

[diffusionx]

That’s the thing, most people are not playing Spiderman for the side missions, they’re just whatever in all the games.

The meat and potatoes is the campaign

I can't speak for "most people", the content is in the game so it can be judged.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

That's fair. I do mind if it's boring, like how God of War Ragnarok makes you play as the kid and everyone just hates those sections.

If you stick to the campaign it’s not a slog at all, I was hooked the whole way through, like I said before the pacing is excellent.

The MJ sections are still the weakest part but they’re extremely short

The 90 metacritic is justified, this is as AAA as you’re gonna get from a video game if you like a summer blockbuster experience

 

[Mr Moose]

Oh no, there’s a deaf girl side mission

It’s woke, time to cry

There's a lot more than just a deaf girl.
But even with all the woke shit it's still a very good game.

 

[Pedro Motta]

The game is a woke fest. I am not touching this DEI propaganda

LOL you're a fucking broken record. We know, now STFU.

 

[ChiefDada]

I hate the internet these days. I can't tell if this game is good from this thread, especially if some people catch a sniff of anything "woke" they lose their minds. Like deal with your emotional trigger issues elsewhere ffs

 Sadly, it's the reason I'm on here less and less. Every other thread devolves into a DEI/woke argument and it has become beyond exhausting at this point. Having said that, SM2 inclusion and handling of social elements was a bit too on the nose for my liking and not handled with much grace at all. Makes for noticeably weird moments, but not enough to pass on the game imo.

So petty grievances aside, how is the gameplay overall, is it really better than the first game?
I thought the first game was OK, gameplay was so-so, some missions were a SLOG, but traversal was fun. The MJ missions were painful but tolerable.
Boss designs were very meh, same for their gameplay, game just felt a little color-by-numbers spiderman game.
Should I play Miles Morales too?
Someone who is a mature adult please give me a sense of what this Spiderman 2 game is like.

Gameplay improvements, i.e. combat are similar to God of War 2018 vs Ragnarok imo, maybe even better. Underlying combat sound design is very underrated. Also most beautiful open world traversal I've ever experienced, I think those on PC will finally understand/agree with what I've been saying over the past year about just how good it looks. Although most cutscenes have regressed from a technical standpoint.

 

[kevboard]

I hate the internet these days. I can't tell if this game is good from this thread, especially if some people catch a sniff of anything "woke" they lose their minds. Like deal with your emotional trigger issues elsewhere ffs

So petty grievances aside, how is the gameplay overall, is it really better than the first game?
I thought the first game was OK, gameplay was so-so, some missions were a SLOG, but traversal was fun. The MJ missions were painful but tolerable.
Boss designs were very meh, same for their gameplay, game just felt a little color-by-numbers spiderman game.
Should I play Miles Morales too?
Someone who is a mature adult please give me a sense of what this Spiderman 2 game is like.

IMO the game is hot garbage.

you have 2 main gameplay elements. the only true gameplay elements in the game basically.
and that's combat and stealth.

both are extremely easy even on the highest difficulty and both require no brain power.

Stealthing was made completely trivial in this due to the new web line ability you get early on, which makes planning your moves basically irrelevant, as you can just walk above literally every enemy and wait for the UI to tell you it's safe to press the button now and take them out. no need to scan the environment, just walk over, wait, press button...

and every time you aren't mindlessly fighting or mindlessly stealthing, you are following quest markers and pressing buttons the game tells you to press.
it's basically BUTTOM PROMPTS: the game with occasional dumbed down fights.

the open world also is just static and boring
it's just a backdrop for you to traverse while going from questmarker to questmarker essentially.

I hate posting my own videos here, as I have a lot of self doubt about my skills in making videos...
but here are my full thoughts:

 

[TheChumpNation]

The game's themes are "woke" to their very core. Even modders can't save this one unless they're going to re-write and re-do most of the voice acting.

The boss fight against Scream is probably the most cringeworthy sequence I've ever seen in gaming.

 

[TheChumpNation]

I hate the internet these days. I can't tell if this game is good from this thread, especially if some people catch a sniff of anything "woke" they lose their minds. Like deal with your emotional trigger issues elsewhere ffs

So petty grievances aside, how is the gameplay overall, is it really better than the first game?
I thought the first game was OK, gameplay was so-so, some missions were a SLOG, but traversal was fun. The MJ missions were painful but tolerable.
Boss designs were very meh, same for their gameplay, game just felt a little color-by-numbers spiderman game.
Should I play Miles Morales too?
Someone who is a mature adult please give me a sense of what this Spiderman 2 game is like.

I honestly don't think the "woke" grievances with this game are petty. Some of it is so damn egregious.

That being said, I'm in the same boat of having moderately enjoyed the first game. This is more of the same. Almost all the core gameplay is slightly improved as you'd expect in a sequel, but it remains very much a colour by numbers spiderman game. Miles Morales is the same, although the venom powers do make things a bit more fun for me.

Traversal is even better and that's probably the game's biggest strength.

 

[willothedog]

"Don't worry Spiderman, I'll save you!"

 

[Fake]

The fact that at this point we still have folks denying Spider-Man 2 is woke when even Nexus Mod is banning everyone from use the Saudi Arabia version just show how being a fanboy totally destroy every discussion around the subject.

This is a similar situation of Yasuke being only a samurai outside of Japan. It's disconcerting.

 

[Nickolaidas]

PC mods will save this game.

Doubt it. They have yet to fix MJ in the first one, and Alloy in Forbidden West. I don't think that modding community gives a fuck about those games.

 

[Gonzito]

LOL you're a fucking broken record. We know, now STFU.

 

[T4keD0wN]

PC mods will save this game.

Yeah, dont worry mate, modders are saving this one already somehow and the game is not even out.

Hold up, maybe not.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

$20 - $25 on Cdkeys is my purchase window.

I wouldn't even buy the game even if it cost 99 cents.

 

[Puscifer]

I haven't found a single game where the performance hit of RTAO was worth it.

Even Dying Light 2? It looks like a totally different game.

 

[Topher]

Deaf girl side mission, one part of town has a gay flag somewhere, and omg the female lead isn’t hot

Sorry, ill continue not caring dearly about any of that being a big deal

Don't forget the side mission where you have to help a gay guy ask his would-be boyfriend out on a date.

Edit: I see diffusionx covered it already. Sorry....but the side missions suck and are quite "woke". Sucks because they main campaign is pretty dang good.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Don't forget the side mission where you have to help a gay guy ask his would-be boyfriend out on a date.

That’s just a normal Saturday night for me and my homey Kacho

 

[Mister Wolf]

Even Dying Light 2? It looks like a totally different game.

That's the raytraced global illumination doing that not the raytraced ambient occlusion.

 

[Topher]

That’s just a normal Saturday night for me and my homey Kacho

Now I understand

 

[rodrigolfp]

Marvel’s Spider-Man 2 PC features and ray-tracing options detailed, out tomorrow

Nixxes shares PC details.

blog.playstation.com

Interesting

"and a newly improved model designed for RTX 40 series GPUs and newer."

What is exclusive to 40 series or newer other than Frame Gen?????

 

[Gaiff]

"and a newly improved model designed for RTX 40 series GPUs and newer."

What is exclusive to 40 series or newer other than Frame Gen?????

They’re talking about DLSS4 ray reconstruction using the transformer model. It’s designed for RTX 40 and above because it destroys Ampere and Turing performance.

 

[Kacho]

That’s just a normal Saturday night for me and my homey Kacho

I can’t stand seeing you defending woke shit because I know you hate it. Hopefully Sony corrects course so your stanning isn’t so pathetic.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I can’t stand seeing you defending woke shit because I know you hate it. Hopefully Sony corrects course so your stanning isn’t so pathetic.

Im not defending it, I just don’t think it automatically causes great games to be unplayable and awful

You clearly put up with it with some of the games you love

 

[Edder1]

Lol at all the console boys crying about their woke gay game while us chads on PC can mod the game to our liking and playing it how we want. PC Masterrace FTW!!

 

[PeteBull]

I can’t stand seeing you defending woke shit because I know you hate it. Hopefully Sony corrects course so your stanning isn’t so pathetic.

I know he is good guy deep down inside but sometimes i wonder if sony wanted to peg him, would he say yes or no