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Media Create Sales 5/28 - 6/3
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Grampa Simpson
Banned
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lolmabuza said:
Guess what? Your name is not in red.
Also there only seemed to be one mod logged in at the time, and not one that I ever see posting in the games threads.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
You're powerless.mabuza said:you're colour blind
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
What the hell is happening to GAF.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Who cares? There was no mass ban, and we have dozens upon dozens of Wiitards to fill his void.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Nintendo's success has been destroying the worldviews of many. Meltdowns are happening. Human sacrifice. Mass hysteria. Cats and dogs living together.PantherLotus said:
ShockingAlberto
Member
Usually GAF has had E3 by now.PantherLotus said:
It's like poking a tiger when its dinner is a day late.
BrodiemanTTR
Member
AniHawk said:
oldie-newbie
Member
schuelma said:
nli10 said:
I think the PS3 sold WW are lower than 150K per month equivalent to 2 weeks of Wii sold only in Japan !!!
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Battersea Power Station said:
Why not:
C) You can say whatever you want, no matter how crazy, as long as it's a positive claim. Negative claims have to be justified. "Sony will sell 200 million by July" = OK but stupid, "Sony will go bankrupt" = Not OK, "Sony has undone half of their PS2 profits by losing so much money on the PS3" = OK.
felipeko said:
Yeah, but I don't think a statement like that, as much as I personally disagree with it, would cause as much trouble as the stuff that Wiitard was saying. The suggestion that the PS3 would be "cancelled" within a year's time could potentially start a kind of revolution and more frothing madness. Saying "lol 3rd party games don't sell" is just a common stab. People don't LIVE by that belief.
I suppose it's the exact same reason why the talk about a certain FF-related train-jumping was hugely disapproved, too. Those sort of things make people believe in crazy shit.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
It's the brand-new 2007 policy. It's called the "You're giving Dragona a god-damned headache" Act of 2007.Branduil said:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
felipeko said:
Because
1) 3rd party games did not sell well on N64 or GameCube
2) 3rd party games did not initially sell very well on DS; although this has certainly changed since the DS Lite launch and increased developer support in terms of quality.
3) We have sales figures for Wii third party games and we can determine which have been selling well and which have not, including high profile successes and failures.
So there's a lot of both past and present evidence to make claims like that.
There's no evidence at all to say "SONY AM SINKING TITANIC BOAT! RATS 2 THA DECK!"
I don't think that Sony would abandon the PS3, but there are also a lot of both past and present evidence to say "3rd party don't sell on the Wii is bullshit".Stumpokapow said:
From a financial standpoint, the opinion "Sony better abandon the PS3" isn't bullshit. From my view, the Blu-Ray-business is the reason why Sony should try all they can to push the PS3 for more than 4 years.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Neo C. said:
So, again, it's essentially a claim that can be discussed, verified, and potentially dismissed. 3rd party Wii games are not currently selling well in Japan. Some are selling well in the US, although some (SSX Blur, Godfather) are selling terribly.
The evidence against the claim would be that relative to budget and the fact that many of these games are hasty ports, they are selling decently, and other 3rd party games including Red Steel and Rayman are selling excellently.
In the past, 3rd party games have sold poorly on the N64 and GameCube. On the DS, early 3rd party games sold poorly. Recent 3rd party games have picked up the slack, since they're been better in both concept and execution and there's been more support by the "good" teams of various publishers; obviously Square-Enix has had a lot of DS success.
So fundamentally that claim can be discussed and is likely to be discussed in a way that makes reference to facts.
This claim has no factual backing; almost no products do so utterly poorly that multi-billion dollar sunk costs can be written off. Remember that if Sony were to drop the PS3, they'd have to spend more billions to launch a new product that would not only be profitable on its own right, but also make up for the PS3.
Sony would face the ire of all third parties because their huge budget, huge team size PS3 projects would be stunted. In the past, systems that are pulled early--Dreamcast, Saturn to some extent, Virtual Boy--had little-no third-party support, and certainly no big budget third party support. This is not true for the PS3 and won't be true for a long time.
Regression is also an issue; if Sony dumps the PS3 and releases another console that's cheaper, that console will necessarily be a technical regression in one way or another. It's one thing to de-emphasize graphics in the way Nintendo does it, but it presents a genuine marketing problem if you have to sell a product that is of a lower quality than your previous product.
Finally, even though I don't give much stock to Sony's ten year console lifespan idea, one aspect is true--if they abandon Blu-Ray or Cell or PS3-level tech in general right now, they're going to have to pick it up again in four or five years ANYWAY. This sort of thing is virtually unheard of in business.
From a financial standpoint, "Sony better abandon the PS3" is bullshit--but that they will need to ramp up their journey towards profitability in order to stop the sunk costs from sinking the company, sure.
I think it's pretty obvious that people who make the statement "SONY GONNA DUMP PS3" are not interested in facts, figures, or evidence; especially if they make that statement without providing any evidence. I really see no problem with banning someone for that.
GreenNight
Member
Whats going on in here guys?
Phife Dawg
Member
Good to hear, I hope it sells the numbers the original should have sold (1 million+marvelharvey said:
).Surely the Virtual Boy and the Dreamcast didn't cost that much in development, but both Nintendo and Sega abandoned them because they didn't want to lose more money. If there's a chance that a new product would immediately make (more) profit, launching a new product and writing off the old isn't nonsense. Then again, this is an other discussion.Stumpokapow said:
It's too early to foresee, if Sony could shrink their loss in the next few years, but I think they had to made price cuts sooner than later. The PS3 shouldn't be discussed from a financial viewpoint, though. Even if Sony never made profit with the PS3, the HD-business - including TV and Blu-Ray - is too important for them.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
SEGA was just plain running out of cash. Not much they could do about that. As for the Virtual Boy, I'm not sure people nowadays realize how ****ing epic a disaster that was. I mean hell, the PS3 is ugly, but the Virtual Boy... well, it had three third parties supporting it, one of whom had exactly one game planned, and it sold maybe 60,000 units lifetime before Nintendo shuttled them to Blockbuster to sell off for twenty bucks.Neo C. said:
I doubt we will ever see a disaster on the level of the Virtual Boy ever again.
Pureauthor
Member
I've been noticing a trend among MC threads that the actual sales reactions die down pretty quickly, but over the weekend someone comes in and makes the thread post count enter an inverse relationship with the average intelligence level.
AdmiralViscen
Banned
Christopher said:
No comments on my 'Sony trolling' this time?
milanbaros
Member?
Segata Sanshiro said:
Xbox? Financially that has to be the worst.
AdmiralViscen
Banned
milanbaros said:
1. That's not a wholesale disaster.
2. Sega's failed hardware actually sunk the company, so that's still worst.
kisakiproject
Member
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Is that 70,000 units including core bundles???? Friday is going to be epic.
kisakiproject
Member
Shiggy said:
Ninja Gaiden and Trusty Bell are respectively the biggest titles coming to their platform this summer. How is that not epic?
kisakiproject
Member
jarrod said:
True but Sigma is #2 then, cause I doubt Lair or Folklore will be as big.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
I'd put Sigma #3 behind Minna no Golf 5 and Boku no Natsuyasumi 3...
Segata Sanshiro said:
He had just crossed over to a regular member at the time. It was literally less than 3 hours after becoming a full member.
Here's gcfan2k5's post history, if anyone wants to take a gander.
Tf53 said:
How do you know there isn't one? You can have private forums for mods/Admins, you know. Regardless, that way lies madness. You'd be opening up the Pandora's Box for backseat modding.
marvelharvey said:
Awesome! Maybe it'll sell better in its second week than its first week. :lol
Pureauthor said:
Intriguing. Perhaps you should pen a "Media-Create Threads for Dummies." *sips tea*
mentalfloss
Banned
AniHawk said:
So be good! For goodness sake! WOOAAAAHhhhhhhhhh
In case people want some more PS3Forums craziness:
http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=77399&page=2
So don't worry about the PS3, it is all going according to plan.
http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=77399&page=2
So don't worry about the PS3, it is all going according to plan.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
I think that my problem with some of the bans is that from time to time, someone gets banned seemingly for arguing for an unpopular theory that has a logically defensible backing.
I don't like your theory, so I'll cut out your tongue.
Other than that, most bans I see are justified. Usually they're enacted because someone is being a horses ass.
I don't like your theory, so I'll cut out your tongue.
Other than that, most bans I see are justified. Usually they're enacted because someone is being a horses ass.
charlequin
Banned
apujanata said:
Most of those copies of HM-for-Girl are probably selling to the same people who bought the boy version originally.
For-Girl:Harvest Moon::International Edition:Final Fantasy. They add new features and spruce up the game in addition to switching the character's gender. (It's definitely not actually intended solely to get girls to play; tons of girls play the "boy" versions of HM.)
turtle553 said:
I'd like some of the GAF analysts to rant on the following thing:
there are more than 100-110 milliion PS2 in houses right know. that's roughly 90 million that HAVE NOT upgraded and bought a next-gen console. PS2 being very strong console right now is holding everything back.
the scenario portrayed by the ps3forum guy isn't out of the question, no matter how hard GAF laughs at it. A tad too optimistic but not delusional. Until we see what those 90 million PS2 have decided when they upgrade to a next-(current) gen console, we can not declare a winner this gen.
Who knows what will happen with a well placed price drop. Have a killer app and a price drop and anything could happen.