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Media Create Sales: Week 10, 2014 (Mar 03 - Mar 09)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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Except that it's just an expansion for original Soul Sacrifice, like Monster Hunter G, or Valhala Knights Gold that was on MC last week. As far as I recall, SS2 was annouces as a separate game at the same time as this, or at least Inafune implied that it's in works.
I think saying that Wii U will outsell PS4 is crazy talk at this point in time. Question of course when will 3rd parties start to release their games on PS4, instead of PS3
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Metallix87
Member
Once a successor releases, will it matter? Wii U would've remained ahead of PS4 the entire time it was out.
Also, that content is Smash Bros, Bayonetta, MK8, Hyrule Warriors, etc.
It's an expanded re-release at full price and Sony gave the first game away with PS+ last? month in Japan.
They should have also sold the expansion for 2100Y. Just like Namco did with God Eater Burst.
I don't know about Sony (most publisher targets for PS3/PSV games from Sinobi always seem crazy to me, I don't know where he gets them), but I would consider the game a success if in the end it ships around half of the copies of the original game.
Metallix87
Member
What I find "amazing" is that people doubted the fact that PS4 would crater in Japan, and are now convinced that, even as it crashes and burns, it is destined to outsell Wii U, despite lacking powerful releases that appeal to that market.
You make it sound like the wiiu (if it actually does) make a quick exit from the market willingly or something...it's because it's selling like crap WW and no major Nintendo software has been able to change that situation at all
This is like saying if wiiu launched and exit the market before the ps4 launch it won! or something delusional along those lines
Call those 'people' out then. Most users including me said it would sell low in the first year or so and pick up once the software transition happens from pubs/devs. Japan is not the priority at this moment for sony. They have given every indication that this is true. Short term Western markets take priority and software as well as stock allocation shows this
Metallix87
Member
Not really, unless you believe that Wii U is exiting the market within the next year or two, which I don't.
How is this supposed to work? The momentum is going to be bad until games appear. If Sony had wanted to deal with that, they should have made the attempt to secure more support earlier. As far as I know, Japan studio has not been a hitmaker so far either.
I think the 3DS is still missing a lot of things things that the DS and PSP had. For example, its JRPG situation is significantly worse than the PSP's, probably due largely to the apathy of Square Enix. I'd be really surprised if Nintendo could influence them with their current smartphone focus, however.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
It still sold well. I reckon Lily Bergamo will do considerably better than his other bombastic games simply because its on PS4.
Holy shit lol
No, I have to ask this again in case I'm missing something, do you actually believe WiiU will have a higher LTD than PS4 in Japan. LTD means total sales.
Do you really think Zelda Musuo and Bayo will make an impact?
Metallix87
Member
Define "impact". I think they will help, for sure, but I'm not arguing some miracle here. I'm saying the system still performs terribly, but possibly not as terribly as PS4.
I'm not stupid, I know what LTD means. And I didn't say I believe it will happen, but that I believe it is possible, based solely on announced content.
lol what is this magical land you live in? You do realize the wiiu is doing 7k numbers this week right? If it exits it's because it's selling like crap
PS4 ain't going nowhere..and the pubs/devs, especially the bigger ones, will continue to support it. The western success has already set the stage for that
Ipsoclipso
Member
Soul Sacrifice is easily one of my favourite games on the Vita (though I´m having a blast with the gorgeous Toukiden as well), I´m really glad the "Monster Hunter knockoff" is evolving into its own genre, and SS is certainly the most unique in that category (with the battle style feeling almost nothing like MoHun).
Will buy Delta for sure and hopefully we will get a proper sequel as well. Great job, Inafune!
Will buy Delta for sure and hopefully we will get a proper sequel as well. Great job, Inafune!
theprodigy
Member
ok guys, PS4 talk aside:
Is the Wii U even going to be up YoY at this point? I'm honestly quite sure it won't at this point.
Is the Wii U even going to be up YoY at this point? I'm honestly quite sure it won't at this point.
The PS4 has Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Yakuza, & Musuo (and Resident Evil later down the line). The PS4 will in the end do "respectable" numbers because of those IPs. The WiiU doesn't have any of those. Nintendo may throw all their 1st party/2nd party titles at the thing but as you said earlier, "because it's not a handheld device that the games are on."
Metallix87
Member
At the rate it's dropping, PS4 could be in 7k land too soon, and then Japanese pubs will recommit to handhelds and mobiles, which I think is very likely.
KillerMan91
Member
You know that PS3 sold horribly at the beginning in japan right? (WiiU is actually still slighly ahead of it launch aligned..) And yet it has crawled its way to 10m+ (well soon it will be over 10m) across the years. I really don't see why PS4 couldn't do the same. It's exactly same situation. No software at first but the heavy hitters came and bumped the install base and with that came the smaller devs and so PS3 actually had pretty solid support all around.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Except for the ones who have been making PS3 games and continue to make PS3 games. Eventually those will be PS4 games.
Except for the ones who make games to sell them in other markets. Other markets which have embraced the PS4 faster than any other console that has come before it.
Yes there will be some migration to other devices but its not going to happen simply because PS4 adoption rate is slower in Japan than it is elsewhere.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=783309
One Piece Unlimited World Red is being ported to other systems for its Western release. Can we expect ports these to come back to Japan?
It's going to get Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, etc. eventually, and we'll probably see more third party support materializing at that point.
The PS4 has worse support than the PS3 does right now, it's the successor to the PS3 rather than the almighty PS2.
One Piece Unlimited World Red is being ported to other systems for its Western release. Can we expect ports these to come back to Japan?
It's going to get Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, etc. eventually, and we'll probably see more third party support materializing at that point.
The PS4 has worse support than the PS3 does right now, it's the successor to the PS3 rather than the almighty PS2.
yeah because like Nintendo, sony already has almost all the major releases for the system in the market...oh wait
Btw "based solely on announced content." ...nice cop out lol Because clearly we know what the PS4 future software line up is gonna be like and can make a sound judgment on the current announced software.
There is no chance in hell the PS4 will have less sales than the wiiu LT. And stop moving goal posts
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
No, its not even a possibility unless WiiU picks up considerably. Also your basing LTD's of these consoles solely on the games that have been announced so far lol. Thats just stupid.
theprodigy
Member
Cracking Vita number. I can't imagine it will stay up over last year throughout the month, but it's nice to see it still ahead. Nice to see a Vita title on top of the charts too.
This year is going to be the strongest for the Vita yet. I'm interested to see if it can gather a little more momentum for 2015 and become the Japanese handheld of choice.
This year is going to be the strongest for the Vita yet. I'm interested to see if it can gather a little more momentum for 2015 and become the Japanese handheld of choice.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
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*save the industry*
Some Nobody
Junior Member
In fairness, MK8 will probably propel the Wii U's LTD past the PS4's again. Still, only a matter of time until Sony gets their software together.
I don't think it can become a handheld of choice, inless tomorrow Capcom will announce that MH4g is alao coming to Vita, but it still get a nice respectable second place (opposed to selling basly from start to finish).
That's really disappointing, I so wanted a successful home console so it could get tons of Japanese support.
It ain't happening this time I guess, maybe next-gen...
Metallix87
Member
It's stupid to assume that the sales trajectory this system is showing will suddenly inspire third parties to put Japan-centric content on the system.
The only way Wii U will see sustained growth is to have MK8, Bayonetta 2, Yarn Yoshi, Hyrule Warriors, X, SMT x FE, Sonic Boom all released this year from end of May onwards. Actually create some momentum. Plus, new E3 announcements, plus more, Zelda E3 showing and Xmas release. Then maybe it can revive itself.
But it's Nintendo. MK8 & a couple more around Xmas is likely.
I would sooo not be surprised if in one year from now, 3ds's momentum is weak, PS3 is kinda dead, Vita took its place for every anime games and monster hunter like, and is really popular. PS4 is a niche product for rich adults.
leatherhat
Member
The sales trajectory that is breaking records around the world? Or are we pretending that Japanese publishers don't make a considerable amount of their sales outside of Japan?
The PS4 is the only home console where Japanese centric games can thrive on
I think you're forgetting the PS3.
Because Kamen Rider and One Piece have kids as their target audience and Nintendo is better associated with younger audiences? Seems obvious to me. They might kill the support later if (when?) the ports don't do well.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
You mean the one where its the best selling system ever lol
No what is incredibly stupid is thinking the PS4 will remain as it is now throughout its lifetime and basing its support of titles announced now. That logic is just incomprehensibly stupid.
Whats disappointing is people judging the success of a console within its first 3 weeks of launch.
Got to have the faith!
lol didn't you notice..he added yet ANOTHER condition to his 'argument' in that comment
Japan-centric software
He is wrong even then..because
a. you can't judge a LT sales trajectory from a few weeks of sales
b. PS4 will still be the main choice for Japan centric software for publishers in Japan. Especially if they have even the slightest of intention of expanding their sales to western markets
Thanks man! I've been off on paternity leave so the days and nights have blurred into each other. I nearly forgot it was MC day!
PS4 number is poor, but I can't say as I'm all that surprised. Hopefully the ridiculous worldwide sales will entice some Japanese devs a bit further down the line.
I dunno, man. If the 3DS continues to decline and if the next Nintendo system stumbles, there could well be an opening. They're two pretty big ifs though.
If I had to place a bet on which system will be top seller this week next year, I'd pick the Vita. I guess one benefit of the huge tech gap between the two handhelds is that buyers can pick up a Vita and feel they've jumped a generation, even though they haven't.
Metallix87
Member
I fail to see how this is possible. All three seem unlikely to get the support from third parties needed to male it successful in Japan, though Nintendo has first party content they can rely on.
The bombing of the PS4 has signaled the end of consoles in Japan.
Let me post it again
That's true, right, but...so strange to see more Wii U support than PS4 now. Kamen Raider would be a good fit for PS4 too, IMHO, especially with the barren current lineup.
And_Gignac
Member
I doubt Japanese games like FF or KH will make the PS4 go above and beyond the Wii U, since those franchises are as big as Mario Kart and Smash Bros (I know MK is veeery install base dependant but still).
What will make the PS4 sell more than the Wii U is the western franchises that Sony has secured.
And poor 3DS, Nintendo needs to release a 3DSi pronto...or a smartphone :3.
What will make the PS4 sell more than the Wii U is the western franchises that Sony has secured.
And poor 3DS, Nintendo needs to release a 3DSi pronto...or a smartphone :3.
a. True, but Sony has to do something as fast as possible, otherwise...never heard of self-fulfilling prophecies?
b. ...PS4, eh? Not 3DS/PS3/Vita? Not saying that PS4 can't be good for Japanese third parties, far from it, but the main choice, when considering the other ones? The point about Western sales is good, but it depends on the title.