grimshawish
Banned
Fam always shows LOWER software sales for Vita but then HIGHER hardware sales than MC.
Its odd.
Its odd.
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Media Create Sales: Week 43, 2012 (Oct 22 - Oct 28)
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chertipros
Member
Their games weren't selling. I can't really blame them for letting them go.
Remember Me is developed in France, and was originally going to be released by SCE.
Father_Brain
Banned
Rising is one. Yakuza 5 isn't multiplatform. None of the others have been confirmed either way.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Depends on who you believe. There's a lot of stories floating around.
One account is that Inaba was getting annoyed with executive meddling in Clover games, which was a program designed to prevent executive meddling. So he took on a lot of responsibility for making sure Okami sold well and, well, it didn't.
Another account is that Inafune, who had an influential role within Capcom at the time, resented how much time and money Capcom was pouring in to games that would only see success in Japan if anywhere. He thought Capcom needed to take a worldwide view and soon and Clover just represented the worst excesses of Japanese development.
The truth may lie somewhere in the middle. Inaba did take on a lot of the burden for ensuring Okami could be a success (Capcom was looking for exploitable IPs at the time) and the game's inability to sell very well was probably a big reason Clover dissolved. Inafune was looking at a global view and having to fight tooth and nail to get games like Dead Rising and Lost Planet even greenlit while Clover got to do whatever it wanted probably pissed him off a little.
Then there's stuff like Mikami being very publicly embarrassed over Resident Evil 4 being ported and the simple answer might be that a lot of those guys were friends and friends didn't like seeing their friends get fucked over repeatedly, so they all left when the tether was cut.
slaughterking
Member
They have to confirm that a WiiU version does not exist? The simple lack of an announcement for the console is not enough?
And I don't know why it matters if it is multiplatform or not.
chickdigger802
Banned
What ever happened to vita heaven 2?
Father_Brain
Banned
Considering that a grand total of two Wii U titles have been announced worldwide for the post-launch-window period, no, it's not enough.
Obviously, that doesn't mean that anyone should assume those titles are coming, or that some titles aren't less likely (Ground Zeroes) than others.
(As I said in the last MC thread, I still give Lightning Returns 60-40 odds in favor of a simultaneous Wii U release. Ground Zeroes, I'd say 80-20 against, based on Kojima's comments early this year.)
AranhaHunter
Banned
GZ has been announced as a PS3/360 title, as has Lightning. We just have to go by what has been announced, can't be waiting for something that may or may not be announced.
Your reasoning reminds me of Gamecube days where people were waiting for GTAIII to be announced for the Cube forever.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
sunk to hell
slaughterking
Member
If you put it that way I would be even more concerned. There being so few games announced is clearly not a good sign.
Father_Brain
Banned
And you could well be right. If that doesn't change by the end of the year, I'll agree with you.
Father_Brain
Banned
Oh, it's a foregone conclusion that Western multiplatform support will be shit. Japanese support, I really do think it's too early to say until we get a better sense of what is and isn't coming in 2013.
We'll see. Hokuto Musou 2 for instance was announced 2 months after the PS360 versions and when it was announced they did not even give a release window- turns out it is releasing at the same time as the other versions.
Monster Hunter at launch is already a lot better support than Wii received its first 9 months or so.
I'm still cautiously optimistic that Wii U will get pretty decent 3rd party support.
for Lightning we have this;
kotaku said:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ing-returns-to-life+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
looking how bad their engine and tools are and how tight is the dev cycle, don't think they will bother adding a new SKU. looks unlikely.
electroplankton
Banned
Trust me, Monster Hunter on 3DS was a big news back then. Basically all people were surprised. Some of us expected 3G, really no one of us expected 4. Moreover, no one expected a complete lock of the serie on Nintendo platforms.
TreasureHunterG
Banned
Bravely Default is really that great? I'm curious.
Pearly Gates did not open for Vita.
jimmypython
Member
IMO people really want to like the Vita. Just see the reaction right after the NGP reveal. I would say it is SCEJ who doesn't like the Vita rather than the general public. SCEJ is preventing people from loving and subsequently rushing out to buy one.
On the other hand, people didn't really give a shit to 3DS initially. It's just Nintendo who really wants to do it right. And, surprise surprise, they just turned it around.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
It's haaamazing.
SFxT is a big Vita game now? :lol
SCE thought it was going to be big. They devoted time to it at E3 2011, and have a few exclusive characters. I don't blame them either because the two largest fighting game franchises crossing over shouldn't have bombed, but with Capcom there's a way. Once people got hands on with the game any hope for it being a big seller on any platform kind of washed away.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
The time for thinking has long passed.
Even if Vita was selling a healthy amount of hardware I still think it would've struggled to do 30k first week. The game's just poisoned and at this point it's too late to change that.
Does anyone think Tekken x Street Fighter will ever exist or will Harada and crew just go to Tekken 7 now that TT2 is done?
It's not a consistent trend or anything, Famitsu had Vita hardware sales lower than Media-Create back in May.
jimmypython
Member
Kaz's "One Sony" strategy is just wrong for SCE. Separating from the main Sony group is what made the success of playstation in the first place.
Reaction when 3DS was revealed was VERY positive. Then it went down when it was priced at $250, but even more when Vita was priced the same. Then the pages of history books are ripped so we don't know what happenned, but on the continuing chapter 3DS is kicking Vita's ass.
It also helped that 3DS never came close to doing as poorly as Vita is doing.
And then Nintendo also lowered the price by this point, but Sony's still reluctant, of course.
I'm pretty sure we'll never hear them talking about TxSF again.
And I also think no one will ask.
Uh, not at all. A unified Sony is a much better Sony. It's absolutely ridiculous that SCE goes to third parties to adapt their games for television, and film when they have a sister company that makes television shows, and movies. It's insane that Sony Electronics was going to launch Onlive equipped Blu-Ray players and the likes right after SCE was going to announce the Gaikai acquisition.
Heck, even boiling it down to a SCE problem the differences between SCEA, SCEE, and SCEJ are astounding. There's very little in the way of content parity between the three. Japan has an extensive archive of classic games, but gets almost none of the new PSN releases that are released in the west. North America gets pretty much all the new PSN games, but is the only division without a scheduled PSN update time. It's just some random time every Tuesday evening. Europe? Well, if they get the games it's usually months later, but in exchange they have a much more aggressive pricing team.
A Sony that levies the strengths of its parts rather than fights them will be successful.
A new chapter started when Nintendo dropped the price and Monster Hunter was announced at Nintendo's 3DS conference last year.
this.
plus the first party IPs.
plus the already announced wave of Japanese games.
a lot of differences.
I think many people got confused by the 3DS troubles and turnaround thinking the vita was in a similar position so nothing to worry about.
The reality is there would of been a complete meltdown @ nintendo HQ if the 3DS was even anywhere close to performing as bad as the vita in the hardware and software numbers.
Are you guys sure that the PS4/720 will be a "standard" console? You don't think that they can have some new feature that can change things? Wii has the Wiimote and Wii U has the new pad with the touch screen. IMO both Microsoft and Sony have realized that their new console need something new and interesting, especially to attract a more broader audience, and can't be only an updated version of the PS3/360.
Heck, there was a meltdown at Nintendo HQ -- it resulted in a 30% price drop after 5 months.
I don't know what I'd call it if the 3DS were doing as poorly as Vita back then.
test_account
XP-39C²
I think that they will have much more focus on a multimedia box. It already happened with PS3 and Xbox 360, yet the gaming side is still very strong.
Speaking about multimedia, any words on the sales of how Nasne PS3 is selling?
AranhaHunter
Banned
DQVII Remake
TxSF will come out. Harada isn't scum like Ono and Crapcom.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Maybe as free DLC for TTT2 or something a year down the road, lol
Harada also isn't stupid. xT managed to poison the well of the crossover before it even released. If SFxT had sold well enough it'd be an easier sell from a business perspective, but at this point there's absolutely nothing going for the game.
GhostTrick
Banned
I know 3DS never did as worse as Vita, but still, when you think about it, there's still room for Vita to be successful.
For 3DS ? It was price drop + Monster Hunter (+Mario of course).
But Vita ? Well, it's up to Sony to make things happen but... well I think people could change their mind about Vita's fate if they could announce a price drop + Final Fantasy VII remake.
Yup, I'm serious
For 3DS ? It was price drop + Monster Hunter (+Mario of course).
But Vita ? Well, it's up to Sony to make things happen but... well I think people could change their mind about Vita's fate if they could announce a price drop + Final Fantasy VII remake.
Yup, I'm serious
I know 3DS never did as worse as Vita, but still, when you think about it, there's still room for Vita to be successful.
For 3DS ? It was price drop + Monster Hunter (+Mario of course).
But Vita ? Well, it's up to Sony to make things happen but... well I think people could change their mind about Vita's fate if they could announce a price drop + Final Fantasy VII remake.
Yup, I'm serious
Nintendo got their act together on 3DS by the end of the year, how long are people suppose to wait for Sony to do the same for Vita?
GhostTrick
Banned
At this point, the only price drop the Vita is going to get is when it's discontinued. As for FFVII remake, I don't think Sony has the cash to convince SE to do something of that magnitude and make it exclusive on the off chance that it would salvage an arguably already dead platform.
It sucks, but Sony really screwed the pooch on this one. RIP Vita. :|
If you have to ask that then it's not even worth bringing up at this point.
GhostTrick
Banned
Well, Vita could have a rude first year, but there's still room. Price drop is far from being impossible:
Make a newer model, cheaper, like they did with PS3.
And for FFVII, well, IIRC, Sony is a shareholder of Square Enix ? Also, I think Sony has the cash, but could also take care of external cost, like translation, marketing, publishing etc...
Cerebral Assassin
Member
MS could just include a Kinect that actually works, & Sony can have an Eye-Toy 3(which would be another good way of making sure they get full multi-platform support), but I would think they will both push the "normal" console things alongside its media capabilities.