cj_iwakura
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Media Create Sales: Week 43, 2012 (Oct 22 - Oct 28)
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ShockingAlberto
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I'd say Sony deserved a bit of the blame themselves. The content split between the PS3 and Vita versions was surely their idea and something they devoted time to pushing in their own conferences. It unnecessarily hamstrung the main console versions because everyone who wasn't buying it for Vita was getting screwed and no one particularly wanted it for the Vita (to say nothing of it being months too late).
electroplankton
Banned
Anonymous Tipster
Member
That happened years after its release, when the hardware components were somewhat cheaper. (And they removed functionality.)
Their shares aren't so high as to have much sway. And regards to cash and ability to take care of the 'external cost' you mention, so does Nintendo and Microsoft. This is a pipe dream. :- /
ShockingAlberto
Member
Sony's shares of Square halved after the merger and were never particularly significant to begin with.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
The issue with the Vita is that Sony was far too slow, and unreactive, when they should have been aggressive. The PS3 made a come back because it still getting support same with psp. A price cut and bundle only really helps if you already have decent ecosystem with popular games already currently being developed for it.
Developer confidence with the Vita is low, it goes lower every week the Vita sells like this even if Sony does a massive price cut sometime next year developers won't just bend over backwards to start developing for the thing, when they already have projects for say the 3DS. It's why Nintendo did what they did, and the longer it takes for for Sony to do it with the Vita, the les the price cut will matter.
Seems Sony's fear of losing money is causing to take the very real risk of disconting/selling in obscurity.
Game review scores and public opinion aren't always the same. The fighting game community has not taken to SFxT at all.
Err, SCE is the largest single shareholder of Square Enix IIRC. And if what you're saying is true, they would have owned 15-20% of Squaresoft, which would be a significant chunk. It's not enough to have a say over what Square does, but it's certainly something.
Edit: My mistake, SCE is the third largest.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
The vita numbers are only going to be lower the next few weeks, huh?
ShockingAlberto
Member
The community at large, anyway. There was some very suspicious "This game is literally the best fighting game of all time" talk from big-name players before release. Few of those big-name players are still actively playing the game in the tournament scene, funnily enough.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Actually, I had never thought about it, but...maybe?
If those HD Collections didn't exist, and instead were just Portable Collections, would that have driven more people to the Vita? If it were a fixed SotC or Sly Cooper Collection exclusively for Vita, that would at least give it software it needs.
Yeah, I wasn't totally serious but previous gen ports and remakes have always been a big part of the handhelds catalog. Seeing Yakuza I&II releasing next (this?) week for PS3 made me think about this.
Games like GOW1&2, SOTC, Yakuza, MGS,... could have helped the Vita in the first year if they were the first releases since the originals.
It's got about 17000 to go.
Why did you think SCE had more than Fukushima? They didn't have shares in Enix.
I know 3DS never did as worse as Vita, but still, when you think about it, there's still room for Vita to be successful.
For 3DS ? It was price drop + Monster Hunter (+Mario of course).
But Vita ? Well, it's up to Sony to make things happen but... well I think people could change their mind about Vita's fate if they could announce a price drop + Final Fantasy VII remake.
Yup, I'm serious
It wasn't MH alone with the price drop.
It was also MK and Mario Land (best selling 3d mario EVER in Japan).
Price drop doable in short timings (while Sony cannot do it in the same timeframe, due to different business model from the beginning), very strong first party IP (while Sony still have to demonstrate to be able to push its own console on its own), and a good faith from third parties in the console itself with the huge list of Japanese franchises announced for 3DS at E3 2011 probably also because of Nintendo will to drug the support from DS to 3DS from the beginning (while Sony did nothing to convince the softco to abandon PSP for Vita before Vita's launch); a support that was reassured in short time with the price drop within few months, because of slow penetration on the market for the console itself, while for Vita the time frame is becoming very long up to now
So, Vita is no 3DS-pre-pricecut up to now in Japan, honestly.
I'm more of a Square fan than an Enix one, so I wasn't aware of his ownership in the company.
Father_Brain
Banned
To put this in perspective:
Average Vita weekly sales to date, excluding first two weeks: 14171
Average 3DS pre-price-drop-announcement sales, excluding first two weeks: 34370
3 out of 6.
2 of which would sell jackshit outside Japan.
Comgnet's corner
[PS3] Tales of Xillia - 1065pt
[PS3] Tales of Xillia 2 - 569pt
[Wii] Animal Crossing: City Folk - 253pt ( 164 + 89)
[3DS] Animal Crossing New Leaf - 470pt
[PSP] Super Robot Taisen Z 2: Hakai-hen - 321pt ( 235 + 86)
[PSP] Super Robot Taisen Z 2: Sensei-hen - 193pt
[PS3] Super Robot Taisen OG 2 - 212pt
[PS3] Yakuza 3 - 277pt
[PS3] Yakuza 4 - 226pt
[PS3] Yakuza 5 - 167pt
[PSP] Pro Evolution Soccer 2012 - 53pt
[PSP] Pro Evolution Soccer 2013 - 45pt
[PS3] Tales of Xillia - 1065pt
[PS3] Tales of Xillia 2 - 569pt
[Wii] Animal Crossing: City Folk - 253pt ( 164 + 89)
[3DS] Animal Crossing New Leaf - 470pt
[PSP] Super Robot Taisen Z 2: Hakai-hen - 321pt ( 235 + 86)
[PSP] Super Robot Taisen Z 2: Sensei-hen - 193pt
[PS3] Super Robot Taisen OG 2 - 212pt
[PS3] Yakuza 3 - 277pt
[PS3] Yakuza 4 - 226pt
[PS3] Yakuza 5 - 167pt
[PSP] Pro Evolution Soccer 2012 - 53pt
[PSP] Pro Evolution Soccer 2013 - 45pt
fabfour64xx
Banned
I want the Vita to succeed, but I just don't think it ever will.
On another note, 3DS' sales are going to be nuts in February and March w/DQVII and MH4, and with Paper Mario and Animal Crossing coming up, it will be continued domination for the next 6 months.
I wonder what Nintendo has planned for the 3DS outside of Luigi's Mansion in 2013. Zelda and Pokemon Gen 6 possibly?
On another note, 3DS' sales are going to be nuts in February and March w/DQVII and MH4, and with Paper Mario and Animal Crossing coming up, it will be continued domination for the next 6 months.
I wonder what Nintendo has planned for the 3DS outside of Luigi's Mansion in 2013. Zelda and Pokemon Gen 6 possibly?
jimmypython
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In Japan it almost comes to a point of money hatting big IPs or die situation for Vita and SCEJ. Because:
1. no 3rd party developer is willing to develop for the Vita (just look at the pre-TGS conference, not a single Vita exclusive from any major publishers. And yes, Marvelous AQL is not major enough as a publisher with system seller IPs in Japan).
2. SCEJ's development house has lost interest/confidence to develop on the Vita too: no followups after Gravity Daze and Soul Sacrifice announcement from SCEJ. Why is puppeteer not a Vita exclusive? Why porting Everybody's Golf 6 to PS3? (I don't think nintendo will port Mario Kart 7 to the WiiU)
Seriously SCEJ, just don't bother making the Vita and let "nobody can compete with Nintendo for the dedicated handheld market" continue to be true.
1. no 3rd party developer is willing to develop for the Vita (just look at the pre-TGS conference, not a single Vita exclusive from any major publishers. And yes, Marvelous AQL is not major enough as a publisher with system seller IPs in Japan).
2. SCEJ's development house has lost interest/confidence to develop on the Vita too: no followups after Gravity Daze and Soul Sacrifice announcement from SCEJ. Why is puppeteer not a Vita exclusive? Why porting Everybody's Golf 6 to PS3? (I don't think nintendo will port Mario Kart 7 to the WiiU)
Seriously SCEJ, just don't bother making the Vita and let "nobody can compete with Nintendo for the dedicated handheld market" continue to be true.
I'm sure they'll let us know 2 months before each title launches ha. I like Nintendo's new style keeping everyone on their toes. Really keeps the hype flowing.
jimmypython
Member
I mean other followup major titles, not the followup to the franchise. They should do a SCEA/E. Keep announcing new major IPs equivalent to Uncharted, KILLZONE, Heavy Rian, Resistance, Infamous, God of War for the Vita if they really want to make it right from 1st party.
BishopLamont
Banned
You know they're allowed to announce the sequel to them at any time.
test_account
XP-39C²
Puppeteer has been in developement for about 3 years, that is why it is for PS3. Everybody's Golf 6 is pretty much done selling at this point, so porting it to PS3 means more money (in comparison, why is Capcom porting Monster Hunter TriG to WiiU? To make more money
).PSP proved differently. It is definitelly possible to compete with Nintendo on the handheld side.
HSG is a game that would continue to sell on Vita, had you know, Vita continue to sell. It's definitely not finished selling. It's a series with legs. It appears that the PS3 SKU is being used as a celebration of the series 15th Anniversary.
At this point I imagine there literally would be nothing to show but a logo. Toyama has hinted that SCE has given him the go ahead for a sequel. He did as such after getting the TGS Game of the Year award.
Japan Studio hasn't made big titles internally in a long time. They usually partner up with outside studios to make games, and there's no reason to believe they don't have more in store.
At this point I imagine there literally would be nothing to show but a logo. Toyama has hinted that SCE has given him the go ahead for a sequel. He did as such after getting the TGS Game of the Year award.
Japan Studio hasn't made big titles internally in a long time. They usually partner up with outside studios to make games, and there's no reason to believe they don't have more in store.
jimmypython
Member
Puppeteer has been in developement for about 3 years, that is why it is for PS3. Everybody's Golf 6 is pretty much done selling at this point, so porting it to PS3 means more money (in comparison, why is Capcom porting Monster Hunter TriG to WiiU? To make more money
TriG HD version is more of a "look, WiiU will get Monster Hunter" situation for Nintendo than the actual game itself. In this case, by all means to port any major release to the new console. I wouldn't mind to see a PS4 version of Dissidia FF or FF type-0
3DS RSE remakes or Gen VI are guaranteed next year in Japan. Pokemon alone could probably hold down the entire year by itself, but I'm sure we'll see some other stuff too.
test_account
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Of course, but i don't think there is a lot more sales to get from the Vita version, and most importantly, i think that its selling power regarding hardware is pretty much done too. But even with the PS3 version coming, the Vita version will still excist, so people still have the chance to buy it if they want.
I don't see the big difference, but i see what you mean. Capcom decided to port the game in an attempt to make more money. That is what it boils down to. There probably wont be a Minna no Golf 7 for the PS3, so getting MnG6 instead means "another MnG game for PS3"
MrCunningham
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Yeah, the eight year old PSP sold almost three times more units than the PSVita this week. And the only two PSV games to chart rank lower than the two XBox 360 listed. Ouch.
The PSV needs a runaway hit, stat.
jimmypython
Member
Yeah...Let me correct myself "no body can outcompete with nintendo for the handheld market"
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Capcom screwed the pooch with their handheld fighter support. SSF4AE, UMVC3 and SFXT all would've been better served with 3DS releases than not.
I'll be surprised if PS4 doesn't perform significantly worse than PS3.
Poetic justice. DQ7 was also the final death blow for N64.
Ys did okay, Kiseki's a clusterfuck. Falcom didn't develop or publish the latter though so they might not care.
Relying on Microsoft to garner content doesn't sound like a winning Japanese strategy imo. I'd be more inclinded to think SCE learned from their Vita mistakes and take a more proactive approach, but then Sony seems pretty resistent to change. Yoshida's comments on their Vita approach was both fascinating and horrifying.
I'll be surprised if PS4 doesn't perform significantly worse than PS3.
fabfour64xx
Banned
I can't imagine R/S remakes coming out as the first 3DS games. But yea I figured we would see Gen VI Fall 2013 Japan/Spring 2014 everywhere else.
KillerMan91
Member
I still think that Sony just should have moneyhatted Capcom for MH4 vita exclusivity no matter the price. MH was more than one big game for PSP. It created the whole ecosystem around it and pulled other publishers to make games for PSP too. I also don't think that Nintendo would have actually countered if Sony had made serious offer to Capcom. For Nintendo MH is only nice bonus.
test_account
XP-39C²
electroplankton
Banned
Puppeteer has been in developement for about 3 years, that is why it is for PS3. Everybody's Golf 6 is pretty much done selling at this point, so porting it to PS3 means more money (in comparison, why is Capcom porting Monster Hunter TriG to WiiU? To make more money
No. HSG6 on PS3 sets a dangerous precedent; it screams to potential owners "look, exclusive Vita games may come to PS3 at any moment! Even Sony is porting up!". Monster Hunter 3G has already been a success by itself. HSG6 is not.
electroplankton
Banned
Too late.
Waiting for Monster Hunter means that third parties have to organize development of games. That would mean first hunting actions / PSP-style games in 2014.
Sammy Samusu
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Tomodachi Collection, Spring 2013!
People say this as if Sony didn't try and I find that very unlikely.
However even if they didn't, Nintendo certainly did and it's more then just a bonus for them. Their efforts with the franchise in North America and the fact that Monster Hunter 4 was announced before TriG even shipped shows that Nintendo see's the value in the franchise, maybe even greater then more then most of their own.
test_account
XP-39C²
MnG6 on Vita is pretty much done selling at this point, at least as being seen a system seller, so porting it over to PS3 means more money. I doubt it will hurt the Vita sales now, just like i doubt TriG for WiiU will affect the 3DS version sales much (sorry, but i must ask, what part of my post is the "no" referring to?).
It wont set a more precedent than what TriG does. It is one game.
Sammy Samusu
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And to release the game in the west.(in comparison, why is Capcom porting Monster Hunter TriG to WiiU? To make more money
test_account
XP-39C²
It is coming to the 3DS in the west too though. But yes, it could maybe have a better appeal in the west while being on a home console indeed (which also comes down to making more moneyAnd to release the game in the west.
).Hot Shots Golf isn't really a system seller. It's a game that you would buy alongside the game that made you buy the platform. It's part of the reason the games have historically long legs. They get clipped if someone already owns it on another piece of hardware. That said, SCEJ's wacky cross buy initiative (which is actually a discount on a PSN copy, not a free copy) may prove to move more copies than it would've. Though we'll never see that on Media Create.
Yes, I'm sure a game released in 2000 was the finishing blow to the N64. If it wasn't for that meddling Enix and their damn dragons N64 would've ruled Japan!
This is a joke, don't reply to this.
The only clusterfuck regarding Kiseki Evolution is the insane amount of (still unfixed) glitches, and how consumer unfriendly Kadokawa is being. Given that, and the fact it's a game already playable on Vita I'm honestly surprised it's still on the charts this week.
I think Sony did try, and not only did they fail they got burned. SCE gave Capcom a very easy way to make more money off of the same game with HD re-releases, and proved at least 400k would buy the laziest of ports, of even PSP games. Now Capcom never has to make a real Monster Hunter on a home console ever again, and suddenly Nintendo has "Monster Hunter" to add to their Wii U list.
This is probably why Monster Hunter Portable is dead. There's not going to be a distinction between home console and portable MH. It's going to be the exact same game now.
test_account
XP-39C²
I can see that. But if it isnt a system seller on its own, i dont think it affects the Vita sales at this point.
I think it is a wise decition since it mean one extra PS3 game for this holiday. The sales numbers will show the final result however.
How is the cross buy for this game?