mckmas8808
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But is it a value issue? Like I don't see it as an "issue" per say. It cost more than the vanilla PS4 because it's totally optional. It wasn't supposed to fix anything.
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But is it a value issue? Like I don't see it as an "issue" per say. It cost more than the vanilla PS4 because it's totally optional. It wasn't supposed to fix anything.
Higher priced SKUs are generally the better selling ones in the industry if we look at ASP in NPD or even how the 3DS XL does in Japan.
The PS4 Pro does not offer a compelling argument for Japan though. It's actually an unusual event, but it's designed around Western luxury consumers.
It's just people pushing their own bias and not wanting the Pro to succeed and for some reason using the Japanese market as an indicator for that.
Slim will be the main driver that's obvious. I mean even look in the states. All Black Friday deals are for the Slim. Also do we know the level of stock for the Pro in Japan right now?
I was hoping for it. Any chance MC will track?
And elsewhere? The Slim exists and many people will be happy with that...
The majority of those who want a Pro will get it day 1... the majority of the rest will buy the cheaper Slim. It will be like that everywhere.
You are 2 weeks too late. Someone already pointed out 2 weeks ago that all top 10 are on Sony platform. This is also a bad week to point it out since the #1 on a different platform is selling 10x than all the other top 30 games combined.
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As for PS4 Pro, I'm sure it's the stock issue like PS VR. People want it but they just can't get a hold of one. It's also like Wii U earlier this year. Stock issue really limited the potential of the console!
mrmickfran
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You are 2 weeks too late. Someone already pointed out 2 weeks ago that all top 10 are on Sony platform. This is also a bad week to point it out since the #1 on a different platform is selling 10x than all the other top 30 games combined.
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As for PS4 Pro, I'm sure it's the stock issue like PS VR. People want it but they just can't get a hold of one. It's also like Wii U earlier this year. Stock issue really limited the potential of the console!
But let's not act like Sony was going to flood Japan with the Pro anyway.
DriftingSpirit
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I mean, it has been pointed out how the OG PS4 isn't even selling particularly well. Okay, at best. But somehow a SKU priced considerably higher in a wasteland of a market was supposed to do whatever some here were expecting? K.
I'd be interested in hearing about stock as well. Not in the sense that low stock would hint at a major boost (before certain folk here lose their mind lol) but rather, as you said, Sony went in with a certain amount in mind.
As for PS4 Pro, I'm sure it's the stock issue like PS VR. People want it but they just can't get a hold of one. It's also like Wii U earlier this year. Stock issue really limited the potential of the console!
Retailers don't stock something when they don't see value. VR is literally a dead peripheral for software, what's the point stocking such an expensive thing if the only profit they can get is from the peripheral itself. Big retailers may afford to do it expecting future benefits but smaller no.
Pro is just an expensive version of something the majority won't choose over the cheaper. Next year after holidays, when initial hype dies, will show where Pro will end comparing to Slim, a second or a distant secong choise.
Thank you. (And that's several years!)
down 2 orth
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Just wondering: why is amazon.co.jp selling the PS Pro at 12,000 yen above the recommended retail price? I thought it was because there's limited stock, but everyone here is so sure the thing is dead on arrival.
mckmas8808
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And yet with this great information that you posted, people in Japan are still saying the PS4 Pro is sold out.
Unusual indeed....I agree.
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Selling 1/2 the slim, for a more expensive/ bulkier version of a PS4 aimed at a subset of households that value 4K gaming, and with a 4K screen (even if the Pro also has 1080p benefits)... Not a bad result at all imo, specially for Japan.
Yeah, how did it even turn out like this? Did everyone just save money for a New 3DS and Pokemon? Everything dropped unusually hard.
ArkhamFantasy
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Japan is not the target audience for the Pro. Im shocked that it sold as many as it did.
The pro gives a nice boost to the PS4 slim which is good. And people thinking they don't need the pro, you're right you don't. That was the plan to be totally optional and they hit the nail on the head. It doesn't alienate existing owners and people with the money to spare/4K can get a nice performance boost.
Maybe it`s too late (or maybe not) to post this, but Tsutaya reported that Sun & Moon first week sales are 140% of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, and 110% of XY sales. It outsold both games thanks to Pokemon GO effect.
http://mantan-web.jp/2016/11/23/20161123dog00m200009000c.html
http://mantan-web.jp/2016/11/23/20161123dog00m200009000c.html
Living up to expectations, expecting this to be the biggest 3DS launch this gen - all thanks to the massive free marketing Pokemon GO was able to provide.
Companion apps and games... hopefully Nintendo is fully aware of what they need to do with all their major franchises.
It'll be this way everywhere, especially to the casual market this holiday season. People tend to go for the cheapest market, especially when it's not really that clear to a causal consumer what the benefit of the PS4 Pro is.
So did you want to double down on the Pro outselling the Slim in Japan when stock normalizes?
Curious to see Media Create and Dengeki data.
But Tsutaya's report seems to be in line with comgnet's data no? They also reported more sales at launch.
It also outsold them in Comgnet but it sold less than X/Y according to Famitsu
Smiles and Cries
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I think people are too quick to predict the Switch will sell well in Japan, this market looks rough I hope Nintendo offers a good price point.
If 3DS is still a choice I am not sure Japan will make the switch, eh... sorry
If 3DS is still a choice I am not sure Japan will make the switch, eh... sorry
This was last week, but the comparison becomes a lot harder pretty soon due to the PS3 Slim + FF13 combo:
Principate
Saint Titanfall
If the Pokémon rumour is true and there is actually a MH port that should do a fair bit in enticing the userbase to move other. But really Nintendo should be trying to kill off the 3DS because it will eat into and slow down any switch adoption regardless, no backwards compatibility will see to that.
This was last week, but the comparison becomes a lot harder pretty soon due to the PS3 Slim + FF13 combo:
Nice.
Should be interesting to see if FFXV can keep PS4 ahead. FFXIII and PS3 Slim is a tough fight though.
Splatoon + Pokemon + Monster Hunter in a handheld will do a lot for the Switch's viability in Japan, especially if Splatoon does end up being a pack in game at launch
Splatoon is going to beat both games and this has already been discussed in previous M-C threads
Any idea when we'll get M-C numbers? Tomorrow?
Splatoon is going to beat both games and this has already been discussed in previous M-C threads
Any idea when we'll get M-C numbers? Tomorrow?
4Gamer.net just said "November 24th", so who knows. Could be 10AM JST (when they generally begin publishing stuff for the day), or 10PM JST (24h later). But as hiska-kun pointed out, Gamer could have the Top 10 at 1PM JST.
Smiles and Cries
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I guess we can can count the Switch version as a port right?
Unless Nintendo markets it differently and it has a ton of new content
Mario Kart, Splatoon and Dragon Quest as guaranteed games for the Switch gives a bit of optimism for Switch at least for its first year.
And what's with your tag? Lol
theprodigy
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"if" more like "when" it outsells them
mckmas8808
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LOL! Not at all. It's a shift in console releases. This hasn't been done in the console market before. The expectations for the PS4 Pro have to totally different than previous console releases.
It's expected to bump up the sales, but to what end and to what percentage increase? It's totally optional. I wouldn't even compare it to the 3DS XL.
I wonder if these ports are even justified when they only ship 2k~ copies.
This game's title is Flowers: Aki-hen, btw.
Sony doesn't expect the PRO it outsell the slim in any market so why would it be judged as such?