E-Cat
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Vita has the excuse of a strong competitor, I suppose. Another way to look at it, Wii U is not differentiated enough as a next-gen system to avoid direct competition with the PS3.
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Media Create Sales: Week 5, 2013 (Jan 28 - Feb 03)
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electroplankton
Banned
Nextbox won't exist in Japan, I guess. PS4? With all Japanese developers still on PS3, I doubt we're going to see something relevant on PS4 during 2014. Maybe multiplatforms with PS3? I don't know. But still, home console market is declining fast in Japan. I mean, everything but 3DS is basically nonexistant.
again, comparing Nintendo IPs to Sony's is apples and oranges
The longer something struggles on the market, the less confidence developers and consumers will have in that product and the less likely it is to rebound?
Conversely, the quicker Wii U drop is disconcerting as well.
Sammy Samusu
Member
It's never too late, but I agree Sony is taking their sweet time with Vita, it's been more than a year now and I'm starting to see Soul Sacrifice for what it is.
They should Nintendo Direct us with some vaporwares like GOW and GT. I have high hopes for Feb 20.
grimshawish
Banned
What was the big game that came to vita?
I think for WiiU a lot depends on Wii Fit and Wii Party.
in japan? Really?
At this point Vita has been pushed to the backburner in favor of PS4.
Lord Ghirahim
Member
Can someone remind me why Wii U Sports doesn't exist?
Probably the same of the wiiU at this point
Does it matter though? If WiiU falls below 10k after wii fit and wii party launches wii certainly is in trouble but if a platform gets no games, like its the case with wiiu right now, it will not sell
It was announced in E 3 2011 but was never shown again. I expect it to launch somewhere down the road .
You didn't read the Famitsu chart in the OP.
Unfortunately, the price of the system is still a barrier there. Remember Minna no Golf 5 on PS3 in the first year compared to prevous versions? High price + casual title = depressed/ing sales. Maybe Wii Fit U can overcome that some, since the people who bought it on Wii were already paying a lot for the board, which isn't needed to be purchased again on Wii Fit U, but Wii Party U ...
I'd be surprised if Sony remained comfortable having no presence in what used to be their strongest market. PlayStation 4 likely won't set Japan on fire either.
metalslimer
Member
By the time games come? Vita still hasn't gotten any particular big game and no "big game" has even been announced for it.
FFX? That's what many Sony fans say is the big game that will sell Vita to people in Japan
But it is on PS3, also. MGS HD Collection for Vita was supposed to move units and the game did horribly.
metalslimer
Member
I haven't seen someone say FFX was going to be a big system seller for Vita in months. I have doubts about the game's sales on PS3 as just an HD port let alone Vita sales let alone it actually pushing many Vitas.Vita still has nothing announced that will sell over 300k unless Soul Sacrifice blows up and looking at Comgnet (I know I know) the interest doesn't particularly seem like something a large amount of people are anticipating.
tauroxd
Member
And I still don't get whay I can't give my moneyz to nintendo to play it on my American 3DS...
Good. I have never been happier that a game did bad. The combos were terrible and shallow. The characters didn't look like their original games and Sony should have known better than to hand off this game to Super Rock. Those guys started as Broodworks and were established to make casual games. Thanks god Japanese people have good tastes and won't put up with this garbage. It is a betrayal of hardcore Sony fans and an insult to all...
er... wait. Sorry, I thought we were talking about DMC. Nevermind.
While all good I think it's not the right time for Sony to drop the price yet.mthey need a steady stream of Vita games to keep vita selling. 2 games won't be enough
The Horror the horror
Banned
I've made it clear that it was ONE of the reasons. And Monster Hunter, huh? Well, since you're listing ports: Persona 4 Golden, Tales of Innocence R, Metal Gear Solid HD Collection, Disgaea 3, and, outside of ports, Gravity Rush. I'll give you NSMBU as the ONLY AAA title the Wii U has there, but that's it - just one. Otherwise, to suggest that the Vita's current Japanese library cannot be compared in terms of strength, quality, or commercial potential to that of the Wii U is being extremely lenient and generous to the Vita's current woes. Furthermore, the Wii U's struggles is consistent with the current nature of the Japanese console market and with the performance of its competitors, which is a perfectly sound excuse not extended to the Vita by virtue of it being consistently mauled 5-to-1 by its competitor.
If we are just talking commercial appeal, Wii U has 2 launch games with have comfortably outsold any Vita game and another (MH 3G HD) that will shortly. Honestly, given the software lineup it's a bit shocking Vita has sold as much as it has.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Persona 4? Project Diva f?
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Not bad seeing Demon Gaze still on the list.
What? Those games were decent at best. Neither of them would have sold 1 million on even much more successful consoles. Hype was only building around them because the Vita needed something, anything. For reference I think Resident Evil: Revelations 3DS (which many call a flop) outsold both of them.
AranhaHunter
Banned
What does that mean?
And there probably won't be many vita/non ps4 related things on the 20th so I hope that's what you have high hopes on.
electroplankton
Banned
It did.
Even a game like Run for Money! outsold them; it actually more than doubled them.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Fair enough. But by the time Ninty gets their act together Sony's gonna be joining the party.
The problem is, 3DS has 2D Mario and Monster Hunter too. And 3DS is dominating Japan. WiiU at the moment doesn't offer any exclusive experience that could make it stand on its own.
Launch-aligned.
Note, since this draws only from the top 10 it does not represent smaller titles.
e.g., software sales of zero are assumed if the console has no games in the top 10.
Tally of the number of titles for that platform in the top 20 for each week.
I can't find the top 20 for PS3's second week. It has been assumed as zero.
Feel free to criticize or point out mistakes.
Obviously anything can happen and we don't know much, but I find it unlikely that Sony will launch PS4 with a strong Japanese lineup.
electroplankton
Banned
It's curious to see how the 3DS started slow wrt Wii, and now it's going to outsell it in less than 3 years.
I don't know about that. Q2 and beyond is looking much better already with Pikmin 3, Game & Wario, Wii U Fit, etc. And in Q4 I still believe we'll get 3D Mario and Mario Kart. Some hardware bundles or a price drop combined with new software could be effective just like it was with the 3DS. I don't think it will be as successful to the same capacity but at this point any increase is better than sliding to below 10K levels.
Vita never had anything huge in its future and still doesn't and it won't get any better with the competition outselling it by a factor of 10. I don't see PS4 or 720 outselling Wii U by that much ever outside of launch week.
Father_Brain
Banned
I would infer that he sees it as Sony's last-ditch attempt to save Vita in Japan, and failing that (which it will, as Vita is in far too deep a hole for any one game to save it), Vita's swan song in the region.
In Western territories, Sony still has Tearaway and Killzone as "big" exclusives for 2013, and I certainly can't see them being cancelled at this point, but I can't say I expect them to make a major marketing investment for either.
Exactly this. FFX will probably do okay (if even released) but hardly be a saviour. I'm hoping Soul Sacrifice and the rumoured price-cut will help turn things around but as mentioned earlier, priorities surely lie with PS4.
electroplankton
Banned
I can totally see Sony porting Killzone on PS3 at some point.
Supermanisdead
Member
Animal Crossing: New Leaf = game of the century.
Complete and utter domination. 35 MILLION LIFETIME SALES.
RIP, Playstation All-Stars. You tried.
Complete and utter domination. 35 MILLION LIFETIME SALES.
RIP, Playstation All-Stars. You tried.
freezamite
Banned
We are speaking of the Japanese market here, where third parties in general are strugling even with PS360 hardware level.E-Cat said:
It would be a problem if they aim to squeeze 100% of PS4's hardware, but as I see it, I think the most probable scenario is them making the games on WiiU as their base and then up-porting to PS4, at least for the first years of the new generation (and depending on sales, maybe the whole generation).
The problem with Vita is:RurouniZel said:
1. Those games hasn't even come.
2. The competitor got them on dozens and had a year of advantage.
The PSVita scenario is not aplicable to WiiU by any means I think.
Acrylic7
Member
Animal Crossing: New Leaf = game of the century.
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RIP, Playstation All-Stars. You tried.
Tried to fail. They have themselves to blame.
And no, it wasn't because of the marketing.
test_account
XP-39C²
Good point.
Are you saying that they deliberately tried to make a game in a way so it wouldnt sell well?
electroplankton
Banned
Is this a serious question?
test_account
XP-39C²
Both yes an no. I ment it more as a rhetorical question regarding what he said (that they tried to fail).
Supermanisdead
Member
Yeah, it felt like after they announced PSA, they got bored of it and just left it alone.
shinra-bansho
Member
When's the next release. I imagine it was propped up this week by Ken's Rage - so it could be around 10k next week.Probably the same of the wiiU at this point
electroplankton
Banned
Why asking, then? Of course it did not mean that they developed the game explicitely to not sell. But he meant that they developed the game without considering potential appeal in the market. Maybe it's more Sony's fault, but they is not that great either.
Controller screen
Between two generations
Quite good first party offerings
Bad third party support
No advertizing
Haunted by upcoming more powerful consoles
Failure...
Dreamcast? Or WiiU?
Damn, if you look at it that way...
SolarPowered
Member
Where are the good first party offerings? I'm not trying to be cheeky or passive aggressive here.Controller screen
Between two generations
Quite good first party offerings
Bad third party support
No advertizing
Haunted by upcoming more powerful consoles
Failure...
Dreamcast? Or WiiU?
Supermanisdead
Member
It's too early to call Wii U anything.