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[jonno394]

No surprise that late ports (Disgaea 5, Nobunga and Setsuna) aren't exactly setting pre-order alight!

The fact the first 2 are both full price for games 2 years plus old is still something I can't comprehend.

 

[ethomaz]

Looking good for PS4 these weeks... I expect boost:

NiER + White PS4 Slim > 50k
Horizon > 40k

That pretty good for February.

 

[Oregano]

No surprise that late ports (Disgaea 5, Nobunga and Setsuna) aren't exactly setting pre-order alight!

The fact the first 2 are both full price for games 2 years plus old is still something I can't comprehend.

Disgaea 5 is seemingly doing worse in preorders than 3 did on Vita though.

 

[schuelma]

Disgaea 5 is seemingly doing worse in preorders than 3 did on Vita though.

I believe Disgaea 5 sold 22K on PS4 almost 2 years ago in its first week. What exactly are you expecting?

 

[cw_sasuke]

Disgaea 5 is seemingly doing worse in preorders than 3 did on Vita though.

.... and it was expected to do better than 3 on Vita because?

 

[Oregano]

I believe Disgaea 5 sold 22K on PS4 almost 2 years ago in its first week. What exactly are you expecting?

Wasn't the idea that it sold bad because it was a PS4 game and NIS was going to make Switch versions to increase their Japanese sales?

.... and it was expected to do better than 3 on Vita because?

It's not but it's doing notably worse.

 

[wrowa]

Disgaea 5 is seemingly doing worse in preorders than 3 did on Vita though.

Why wouldn't it do worse? Disgaea 5's original release sold much worse than Disgaea 3's original release, Disgaea 3 Vita was cheaper than Disgaea 5 Complete, Disgaea 5 Complete has no new content when past Disgaea handheld ports (including 3) had and Disgaea has almost no history on Nintendo platforms.

There is literally not a single reason in favor of Disgaea 5 Complete.

 

[schuelma]

Wasn't the idea that it sold bad because it was a PS4 game and NIS was going to make Switch versions to increase their Japanese sales?

.

I don't believe that is correct. I believe the rationale is that PS4 alone isn't enough and so they are going to attempt to supplement the platform with Switch. The idea that a 2 year old game at full price would sell better on a platform of 400K max strikes me as a really dumb one.

 

[jonno394]

It's not but it's doing notably worse.

Disgaea 5 on PS4 also did notably worse than previous games, maybe the series just isn't that in demand anymore...

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Wasn't the idea that it sold bad because it was a PS4 game and NIS was going to make Switch versions to increase their Japanese sales?

And it will increase their sales, unless the game sells no copies at all.

PS4 alone is not enough, but maybe PS4 and Switch will be.

 

[Fisico]

It's not but it's doing notably worse.

So Disgaea 3 started at 20k but Disgaea 5 is already doing worse despite not being released yet, can't we wait a little bit before having such a clear statement?

I mean at this point we don't really know how it will perform at launch, it could be anywhere between 5-30k, the only thing we know is that it won't be a megabomb like Setsuna or Nobunaga.

 

[jonno394]

So Disgaea 3 started at 20k but Disgaea 5 is already doing worse despite not being released yet, can't we wait a little bit before having such a clear statement?

I mean at this point we don't really know how it will perform at launch, it could be anywhere between 5-30k, the only thing we know is that it won't be a megabomb like Setsuna or Nobunaga.

How are they justifying Nobungas near 10000yen price point btw?

 

[Chris1964]

I believe Disgaea 5 sold 22K on PS4 almost 2 years ago in its first week. What exactly are you expecting?

Initial shipment for Japan will be higher from what he was expecting as LTD WW. Nintendo usually goes for 1:1.shipments between systems and flagship titles at launch. Zelda is heading for very big attach ratio and looking at other preorders Switch for software ratio closer to Wii than 3DS or Wii U.

 

[Alrus]

Wasn't the idea that it sold bad because it was a PS4 game and NIS was going to make Switch versions to increase their Japanese sales?



It's not but it's doing notably worse.

So you still believe it's only going to sell 20K LTD worldwide ?

 

[Datschge]

It's not but it's doing notably worse.

Yeah damn, it still sold only exactly 0 units!

 

[frankie_baby]

How are they justifying Nobungas near 10000yen price point btw?

No one would buy it even if it's cheaper so just rinse the 7 people that want it

 

[Fisico]

How are they justifying Nobungas near 10000yen price point btw?

The game was basically sold at the same price in 2013 on PS3 then in 2015 on PSV.

 

[Chris1964]

At least at launch there is zero discount at digital, comparing to retail. Maybe for Nintendo that's the standard tactic, but not for third parties.

 

[Oregano]

So Disgaea 3 started at 20k but Disgaea 5 is already doing worse despite not being released yet, can't we wait a little bit before having such a clear statement?

I mean at this point we don't really know how it will perform at launch, it could be anywhere between 5-30k, the only thing we know is that it won't be a megabomb like Setsuna or Nobunaga.

Yeah damn, it still sold only exactly 0 units!

Well no one seems to be preordering it.

So you still believe it's only going to sell 20K LTD worldwide ?

Probably not far from it. NISA have barely sold half of their Limited Edition copies.

 

[jonno394]

Probably not far from it. NISA have barely sold half of their Limited Edition copies.

Any idea what their LE numbers are then?

 

[Chris1964]

After Uppers Oregano must have inside info and for Disdaea regarding preorders, shipments and predicted sales for every territory since he can give such an accurate number.

 

[Shizuka]

.... and it was expected to do better than 3 on Vita because?

Because the Switch is going to save the handheld market that the Vita singlehandedly killed.

 

[Oregano]

Any idea what their LE numbers are then?

Considering the way most NIS games sell I'd imagine not a lot.

After Uppers Oregano must have inside info and for Disdaea regarding preorders, shipments and predicted sales for every territory since he can give such an accurate number.

20K was just something I threw out there, point is the game's going to sell horrible numbers.

 

[Chris1964]

Because the Switch is going to save the handheld market that the Vita singlehandedly killed.

If you wrote PS4, you'd be closer to what has been discussed and is closer to reality regarding Japanese handheld market.

 

[thestopsign]

I'm thinking in terms of the initial shipment size that it's actually bigger than anticipated for Switch 1 2. The game could have a comparable shipment to Zelda and that's the reason why one of the two games are "bundled" by COMG.

Zelda - 300-400k
Switch 1/2 - 300-400k
Bomberman R - 150-200k

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 100k
Dragon Quest Heroes 1-2 - 100k
PuyoPuyo Tetris - 100k
Disgaea 5 - 75k

I am Setsuna - 50k
Nobunaga's Ambition - 50k

You continue to live in some alternate reality regarding the Switch. Many of those shipments would never sell out even at bargain bin prices.

 

[Aostia]

20K was just something I threw out there, point is the game's going to sell horrible numbers.

20k would be a good number, considering how the first release sold 40k
does the Switch need to be a miracle-touch thing?

You continue to live in some alternate reality regarding the Switch. Many of those shipments would never sell out even at bargain bin prices.

Maybe he was talking about worldwide preorders

 

[Orgen]

20k would be a good number, considering how the first release sold 40k
does the Switch need to be a miracle-touch thing?



Maybe he was talking about worldwide preorders

He said 20K Worldwide... but there will be goalposts movements for sure ;D

 

[noshten]

You continue to live in some alternate reality regarding the Switch. Many of those shipments would never sell out even at bargain bin prices.

I don't see why, outside of guesstimating larger numbers for the second and third tier these are just shipment totals. There is more chances of selling your overpriced game right now(at launch) than there would ever be on the Switch(no region lock).
In any case I expect Puyo, DQH and Bomberman to all sell their initial shipments in the first two months because of their local multiplayer functionality. Whether they do it at full price is another matter altogether.

 

[Eolz]

Looking good for PS4 these weeks... I expect boost:

NiER + White PS4 Slim > 50k
Horizon > 40k

That pretty good for February.

I don't expect any relevant hardware boost from those games.

 

[Chris1964]

I don't expect any relevant hardware boost from those games.

The only boosts you'll see will be from new color and Golden Week. Horizon won't do many things for hardware.

 

[Chris1964]

Media Create Sales: Week 49, 2004 (Nov 29 - Dec 05)

02./00. [NDS] Super Mario 64 DS <ACT> (Nintendo) {2004.12.02} (¥4.571) - 151.373 / NEW <54,84%>
03./00. [NDS] WarioWare: Touched! <ETC> (Nintendo) {2004.12.02} (¥4.571) - 148.825 / NEW <57,24%>
04./00. [NDS] Pokemon Dash <RCE> (Pokemon Co.) {2004.12.02} (¥4.571) - 56.337 / NEW
05./00. [NDS] Daigasso! Band Brothers # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2004.12.02} (¥4.571) - 33.911 / NEW
08./00. [NDS] Feel the Magic: XY/XX <ACT> (Sega) {2004.12.02} (¥4.800) - 27.250 / NEW
09./00. [NDS] Polarium <PZL> (Nintendo) {2004.12.02} (¥3.519) - 25.415 / NEW

00./00. [NDS] Software Sales 2004 <ALL> (All Publishers) {2004.12.02} (¥0) - 488.000 / NEW <104,00%>

HARDWARE

+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|System |  This Week |  Last Week |  Last Year |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
| NDS # |    468.880 |            |            |    468.880 |            |     468.880 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+

Media Create Sales: Week 48, 2006 (Nov 27 - Dec 03)

02./00. [WII] Wii Sports <SPT> (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} (¥4.571) - 176.167 / NEW <43,17%>
03./00. [WII] Wii Play <ETC> (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} (¥4.571) - 174.297 / NEW <75,27%>
04./00. [WII] The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess <ADV> (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} (¥6.476) - 139.011 / NEW <50,03%>
09./00. [WII] WarioWare: Smooth Moves <ETC> (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} (¥5.524) - 63.954 / NEW <17,00%>
21./00. [WII] Pangya Fantasy Golf <SPT> (Tecmo) {2006.12.02} (¥5.800) - 16.908 / NEW <30,58%>
28./00. [WII] Ennichi no Tatsujin <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2006.12.02} (¥4.800) - 10.763 / NEW <20,14%>
32./00. [WII] Red Steel <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2006.12.02} (¥6.476) - 9.392 / NEW <23,08%>
33./00. [WII] SD Gundam: Scad Hammers <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2006.12.02} (¥5.800) - 9.226 / NEW <21,21%>
37./00. [WII] Tamagotchi Party On! <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2006.12.02} (¥5.800) - 8.042 / NEW <11,20%>
47./00. [WII] Elebits <ACT> (Konami) {2006.12.02} (¥5.800) - 5.791 / NEW <19,69%>
00./00. [WII] Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz <ACT> (Sega) {2006.12.02} (¥5.800) - 4.423 / NEW
00./00. [WII] Crayon Shin-Chan: Saikyou Kazoku Kasukabe King Wii <ACT> (Banpresto) {2006.12.02} (¥5.800) - 4.248 / NEW <12,60%>
00./00. [WII] Trauma Center: Second Opinion <ETC> (Atlus) {2006.12.02} (¥5.800) - 4.107 / NEW
00./00. [WII] Kororinpa: Marble Mania <PZL> (Hudson) {2006.12.02} (¥4.800) - 2.416 / NEW
00./00. [WII] Escape from Bug Island <ADV> (Spike) {2006.12.02} (¥6.800) - 1.934 / NEW
00./00. [WII] Wing Island <SLG> (Hudson) {2006.12.02} (¥5.800) - 800 / NEW

00./00. [WII] Software Sales 2006 <ALL> (All Publishers) {2006.12.02} (¥0) - 631.480 / NEW <180,00%>

HARDWARE

+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|System |  This Week |  Last Week |  Last Year |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|  WII  |    350.358 |            |            |    350.358 |            |     350.358 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+

Media Create Sales: Week 8, 2011 (Feb 21 - Feb 27)

03./00. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask <ADV> (Level 5) {2011.02.26} (¥5.695) - 119.591 / NEW <35,77%>
05./00. [3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: French Bulldog / Shiba / Toy Poodle & New Friends <ETC> (Nintendo) {2011.02.26} (¥4.571) - 64.213 / NEW <12,71%>
06./00. [3DS] Samurai Warriors: Chronicles <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2011.02.26} (¥5.800) - 49.327 / NEW <32,88%>
07./00. [3DS] Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition <FTG> (Capcom) {2011.02.26} (¥4.571) - 44.649 / NEW <25,44%>
08./00. [3DS] Ridge Racer 3D <RCE> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.02.26} (¥5.800) - 38.226 / NEW <26,89%>
15./00. [3DS] Winning Eleven 3DSoccer <SPT> (Konami) {2011.02.26} (¥5.524) - 24.556 / NEW <18,49%>
25./00. [3DS] Bust-A-Move Universe <PZL> (Square Enix) {2011.02.26} (¥4.743) - 9.513 / NEW <30,07%>
28./00. [3DS] Combat of Giants: Dinosaurs 3D <FTG> (Ubisoft) {2011.02.26} (¥4.800) - 6.531 / NEW <34,75%>

00./00. [3DS] Software Sales 2011 <ALL> (All Publishers) {2011.02.26} (¥0) - 356.606 / NEW <95,00%>

HARDWARE

+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|System |  This Week |  Last Week |  Last Year |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
| 3DS # |    374.764 |            |            |    374.764 |            |     374.764 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+

Media Create Sales: Week 49, 2012 (Dec 03 - Dec 09)

02./00. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥5.700) - 163.528 / NEW <55,32%>
04./00. [WIU] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate # <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.12.08} (¥4.571) - 106.388 / NEW <69,82%>
06./00. [WIU] Nintendo Land # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥4.700) - 72.121 / NEW <33,86%>
15./00. [WIU] ZombiU <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2012.12.08} (¥6.648) - 13.000 / NEW <26,96%>
30./00. [WIU] Warriors Orochi 3: Hyper <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2012.12.08} (¥6.800) - 5.913 / NEW <16,83%>
42./00. [WIU] Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2012.12.08} (¥6.800) - 3.922 / NEW <19,19%>
43./00. [WIU] Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.12.08} (¥6.648) - 3.608 / NEW <12,76%>
45./00. [WIU] Assassin's Creed III <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2012.12.08} (¥7.400) - 3.521 / NEW <22,08%>
00./00. [WIU] Batman: Arkham City - Armored Edition <ADV> (Warner Entertainment Japan) {2012.12.08} (¥5.695) - 1.826 / NEW <19,26%>
00./00. [WIU] FIFA 13 <SPT> (Electronic Arts) {2012.12.08} (¥7.300) - 1.510 / NEW <12,54%>
00./00. [WIU] Mass Effect 3: Special Edition <RPG> (Electronic Arts) {2012.12.08} (¥5.800) - 892 / NEW <8,75%>

00./00. [WIU] Software Sales 2012 <ALL> (All Publishers) {2012.12.08} (¥0) - 376.000 / NEW <122,00%>

HARDWARE

+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|System |  This Week |  Last Week |  Last Year |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|  WIU  |    308.142 |            |            |    308.142 |            |     308.142 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+

 

[Eolz]

So I guess we can expect the Switch to sell around 350k FW?

 

[frankie_baby]

So I guess we can expect the Switch to sell around 350k FW?

It honestly depends how many they'll ship but that seems a reasonable guess

 

[Aostia]

Man I feel so nostalgic looking at this DS/WII era charts
It was a golden age for MC threads

 

[frankie_baby]

Its looking like zelda has a very good shot at being Nintendo's biggest launch title for a very long time

 

[Ōkami]

Total software

Famicom: 225.86m (includes Famicom Disk System software)
Nintendo DS: 213.51m
Super Famicom: 194.85m
PlayStation 2: Over 180 million
PlayStation: Over 175 million
Game Boy: 157.06m (includes Game Boy Color only games)
Nintendo 3DS: 120.03M (106.57m retail)
PlayStation Portable: Over 77 million
Wii: 75.43m
PlayStation 3: Should be around Wii levels (74.80m just retail)
Game Boy Advance: 73.11m
Nintendo 64: 39.75m
SEGA Saturn: More than 35 million
Nintendo GameCube: 27.54m
PlayStation Vita: Over 23 million (21.60m retail)
PlayStation 4: Around 19.5m (17m retail)
Wii U: 15.10m (13.11m retail)
Dreamcast: Over 12.3 million
WonderSwan: 10 million
Xbox 360: Over 9 million
Xbox: 1.1 million
Neo Geo Pocket: Over 350k
Xbox One: 250k

 

[ZSaberLink]

Total software

Famicom: 225.86m (includes Famicom Disk System software)
Nintendo DS: 213.51m
Super Famicom: 194.85m
PlayStation 2: Over 180 million
PlayStation: Over 175 million
Game Boy: 157.06m (includes Game Boy Color only games)
Nintendo 3DS: 120.03M (106.57m retail)
PlayStation Portable: Over 77 million
Wii: 75.43m
PlayStation 3: Should be around Wii levels (74.80m just retail)
Game Boy Advance: 73.11m
Nintendo 64: 39.75m
SEGA Saturn: More than 35 million
Nintendo GameCube: 27.54m
PlayStation Vita: Over 23 million (21.60m retail)
PlayStation 4: Around 19.5m (17m retail)
Wii U: 15.10m (13.11m retail)
Dreamcast: Over 12.3 million
WonderSwan: 10 million
Xbox 360: Over 9 million
Xbox: 1.1 million
Neo Geo Pocket: Over 350k
Xbox One: 250k

Out of curiosity, how much software did the PS3 sell between 2009-2014 exactly? Looks like the PS4 has a long way to go to even catch up to that in terms of software.

 

[zeromcd73]

http://www.studioistolia.com/

Square Enix has started a new studio devoted to new I.P. Studio will be helmed by Hideo Baba (Tales of producer). Objective of new studio is to create new I.P. using the strengths of Japanese culture to make RPG's targeting a worldwide audience.

As with the Atlus new IP, it's pretty much an announcement for the sake of mass recruitment.

 

[L~A]

Looks like Final Fantasy Explorers is back. Famitsu will have details on Final Fantasy Explorers Force.

No platform mentioned, but based on screen and the icons in the bottom left corner (nicely hidden by the fantastic Famitsu watermark), this seems to be PS4/V? This is for iOS and Android

https://www.famitsu.com/news/201702/21127398.html

http://gamestalk.net/post-75310/

 

[LordKano]

Another case of 3DS getting a game and then the sequel is on every platform except 3DS.

 

[Rymuth]

Another case of 3DS getting a game and then the sequel is on every platform except 3DS.

Is it a sequel or an updated version? I can't tell.

 

[Herb Alpert]

Another case of 3DS getting a game and then the sequel is on every platform except 3DS.

That always seems weird to me. Who knows, this one could come to switch. maybe.

edit : ok, mobile

 

[Aostia]

Another case of 3DS getting a mobile spinoff.

fixed

 

[Mpl90]

Another case of 3DS getting a game and then the sequel is on every platform except 3DS.

That always seems weird to me. Who knows, this one could come to switch. maybe.

It's a mobile game, though. The images don't make it clear enough what it is (sequel/extended version of the first/different version of the first, adapted for mobile).

 

[LordKano]

Whoops, the game seems to be for mobile. Makes sense though, Square really needed another FF mobile game right now.

 

[duckroll]

It's a mobile game, though. The images don't make it clear enough what it is (sequel/extended version of the first/different version of the first, adapted for mobile).

It's a 5 player action RPG with players picking jobs for their characters and fight summon beasts. It has the Trance system as well.

 

[Kresnik258]

So the 300k or so from the 3DS version wasn't enough for that low-budget series? Surprised.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Out of curiosity, how much software did the PS3 sell between 2009-2014 exactly? Looks like the PS4 has a long way to go to even catch up to that in terms of software.

I remember PS3 having years where it sold 10 million+ software pieces. Its going to be hard for PS4 to match especially if it has a shorter cycle (which I'm still not sure if it will). I think 50 million LTD for PS4 right now.

 

[casiopao]

So the 300k or so from the 3DS version wasn't enough for that low-budget series? Surprised.

If successful, Mobile can bring more than 300k in a single month lol.^^

I don't see this doing well like at all though seeing how other FF mobile title is not really lightning the chart.

 

[Claude Augario]

Considering the way most NIS games sell I'd imagine not a lot.



20K was just something I threw out there, point is the game's going to sell horrible numbers.

Considering how much worse the PS4 Switch version looks according to you, shouldn't you expect it to sell horrible numbers?