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MicroCenter lists RDNA 4 RX 9070 series: RX 9070 XT starting at $699, RX 9070 at $649

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kiphalfton

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If these prices are accurate, I'm simply going to hold onto my current card (3080) for another gen. Despite everyone saying that 10 GB isn't enough, I've only ran into problems with 1 game (Indiana Jones), and lowering 1 setting cleared that up. I don't play at 4k, so I guess that helps.

Can't remember what settings I played Indiana Jones at on my RTX 3080 (10GB), but yeah it was 60 fps throughout pretty much the entire game.

I'll wait however many generations until there's an affordable (i.e. <$700) Nvidia card that's 100% faster than my RTX 3080 AND has at least 20GB VRAM. Until then will just keep using my 3080.

Inb4

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Well run corporations take a long term view and don't blindly chase quarterly profits. Increasing their standing in gamer's mindshare would likely lead to them making more money in the future.
I mean it won't because they are going to sell every product they make regardless of the price. You can't increase supply so the excess demand above the entire supply is ultimately irrelevant. If I can price a product at $2000 and sell them all, why would I choose a price of $200 instead? I'm not retarded
 

marjo

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I mean it won't because they are going to sell every product they make regardless of the price. You can't increase supply so the excess demand above the entire supply is ultimately irrelevant. If I can price a product at $2000 and sell them all, why would I choose a price of $200 instead? I'm not retarded
Insufficient supply is a temporary short term phenomena. If AMD increases mindshare, they can increase demand in the long term, when there won't be any supply issues.
 

Gamer79

Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
To be honest I don't get why people are obsessed with market share for GPUs. With consoles they can sell at loss and make money on software but with GPUs? They only get money once...

People want AMD to sell those GPUs with super thin margins. For what purpose exactly?
To compete with Nvidia. Lets get real and people are not going to buy these cards in Masses for those prices. AMD is miles behind in software because DLSS4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FSR anything. AMD has to sell cheaper to entice the masses to want to buy it. If these prices are true then they failed again. They will sell some cards but again will be no competitor with Nvidia.
 

Haint

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Anyone who thought AMD wouldn't act like a corporation and do what maximizes margins and profits was delusional

The irony is their stock price performs worse than their GPU's (down 40% YOY) specifically because their GPU's and software support are so comically inferior to Nvidia. You would think at some point they'd realize that releasing objectively worse products $50 cheaper than Nvidia isn't gaining them any marketshare or industry support.
 
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KungFucius

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To be honest I don't get why people are obsessed with market share for GPUs. With consoles they can sell at loss and make money on software but with GPUs? They only get money once...

People want AMD to sell those GPUs with super thin margins. For what purpose exactly?
To provide a competitive market so NVidia can't keep raising prices 25-50% each gen with less improvement. Also competition not only results in better prices but also better products.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
$699 and $649 is too much and ridiculous.

$499 and $399 are the can’t miss prices.

$549 and $449 are good

$599 and $499 are the max they should be and that is only if FSR4 is as good as advertised and we get performance between 5070 Ti and 5080.
 
$699 and $649 is too much and ridiculous.

$499 and $399 are the can’t miss prices.

$549 and $449 are good

$599 and $499 are the max they should be and that is only if FSR4 is as good as advertised and we get performance between 5070 Ti and 5080.
Raster or full perf? There's no way they improved so much that rtx is comparable to high end nvidia's offering.
 

Zathalus

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$699 is pretty dumb, once stock and prices stabilise most would go for the 5070ti. $649 is even dumber, a $50 discount for what appears to be a significantly slower GPU makes little sense.

Ah AMD, once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
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StereoVsn

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$699 is pretty dumb, once stock and prices stabilise most would go for the 5070ti. $649 is even dumber, a $50 discount for what appears to be a significantly slower GPU makes little sense.

Ah AMD, once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
It’s even dumber if you look at the AIB prices. You just know even $699 will be scarce. And if we have to pay $900-$1100, might as well wait for 5070Ti and 5080 stock to catch up.

It’s extremely short sighted thinking on AMD’s side again. Best opportunity in 10+ years and yet here we are.
 

Boss Mog

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It’s even dumber if you look at the AIB prices. You just know even $699 will be scarce. And if we have to pay $900-$1100, might as well wait for 5070Ti and 5080 stock to catch up.

It’s extremely short sighted thinking on AMD’s side again. Best opportunity in 10+ years and yet here we are.
AMD can only set an MSRP for the basic model, the partners are free to charge whatever they want for the OC cards.
 

StereoVsn

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AMD can only set an MSRP for the basic model, the partners are free to charge whatever they want for the OC cards.
AMD could heavily hint at the prices they want to see and restrict supply if vendors don’t oblige. They could also knock off with Nvidia -$50 pricing.
 

SABRE220

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You can only laugh at this point. It was stupid of us to be hopeful that AMD are actually going to try to compete and think long-term. They are content to crawl around scrounging on Nvidia's table scraps. They would not have a better opportunity than this as Nvidia shit the bed and yet still....its time to accept Ati is dead and AMD is irrelevant. We are stuck with Nvidia greed-dominated hell unless Intel saves us lol so yeah we are screwed.
 
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I want these to be good, but who knows. I think at this price point they need to punch above a 4070ti to be worth it.

Nvidia's tech is just too good for AMD to release a similar product at a similar price.
 

Gamer79

Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
If they were able to sell the 9070 at $400-$450 and the XT at $500-$500 and performed at the 4070ti level that would of been a game changer.

If these prices are reality it's just a mediocre launch. DLSS just shits over every upscaler and especially FSR.
 

Crayon

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Carry on believing it's amd's job to lower prices for the brand with 10x the market share. They can go 30% less for the same performance, nvidia can respond just going 10% less and then amd would have to go to half price to fight that.

To compete with Nvidia. Lets get real and people are not going to buy these cards in Masses for those prices. AMD is miles behind in software because DLSS4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FSR anything. AMD has to sell cheaper to entice the masses to want to buy it. If these prices are true then they failed again. They will sell some cards but again will be no competitor with Nvidia.

^^^This is what they're up against. The price/performance compared to nvidia doesn't matter until it gets to unreasonable levels to win over this attitude. Years of bad rep that doesn't go away just because the new cards are good or even great. Simply being a better deal is not enough. The price would have to be shockingly low to get a bunch of cred back overnight.

AMD will have to have two or three good-great generations in a row to get market share on an upward trend. At a price just a little below nvidia, they will have to be making truly compelling alternatives for a long time without falling massively behind again. Hopefully now the rt is at least a trade on average with the raster, and the upscaling gap is significantly closer to closed (dlss3 was "magic" until five minutes ago). They will have to go slow and steady. $600 for xt would be actually a great deal for a card that trades with the more expensive and disappointing 5070ti, but as you can see that is not enough to generate much excitement.
 

AGRacing

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OF COURSE these prices aren’t real folks. Some of the 9070 / 9070 XT comparisons don’t even make sense. An 1100 dollar non XT reaper? No I don’t think so hahaha
 

Gamer79

Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Carry on believing it's amd's job to lower prices for the brand with 10x the market share. They can go 30% less for the same performance, nvidia can respond just going 10% less and then amd would have to go to half price to fight that.



^^^This is what they're up against. The price/performance compared to nvidia doesn't matter until it gets to unreasonable levels to win over this attitude. Years of bad rep that doesn't go away just because the new cards are good or even great. Simply being a better deal is not enough. The price would have to be shockingly low to get a bunch of cred back overnight.

AMD will have to have two or three good-great generations in a row to get market share on an upward trend. At a price just a little below nvidia, they will have to be making truly compelling alternatives for a long time without falling massively behind again. Hopefully now the rt is at least a trade on average with the raster, and the upscaling gap is significantly closer to closed (dlss3 was "magic" until five minutes ago). They will have to go slow and steady. $600 for xt would be actually a great deal for a card that trades with the more expensive and disappointing 5070ti, but as you can see that is not enough to generate much excitement.
It's just common sense. If you want to go up against a juggernaut in any business, you have to do something extra ordinary to entice people to change brands. I currently am a new pc builder with an rtx 4070. I was considering buying the XT if it offered great price/performance. DLSS 4 as really been a game changer now starting to doubt I will bother and stick with my older card. The software on Nvidia's side is just miles better than what the competition has to offer.
 
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JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
You can only laugh at this point. It was stupid of us to be hopeful that AMD are actually going to try to compete and think long-term. They are content to crawl around scrounging on Nvidia's table scraps. They would not have a better opportunity than this as Nvidia shit the bed and yet still....its time to accept Ati is dead and AMD is irrelevant. We are stuck with Nvidia greed-dominated hell unless Intel saves us lol so yeah we are screwed.
Why don’t you wait until pricing is revealed and reviews happen before acting like a little bitch
 
$699 and $649 is too much and ridiculous.

$499 and $399 are the can’t miss prices.

$549 and $449 are good

$599 and $499 are the max they should be and that is only if FSR4 is as good as advertised and we get performance between 5070 Ti and 5080.
The RTX5080 is not available anywhere near the MSRP, but even if it were available at $1000, the 9070 XT would still be a lot cheaper at $699. I think many people would still prefer a cheaper card, even if DLSS looks a little better.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The 9070XT is supposed to be taking on the RTX 5070Ti in raster right?

For an extra 50 dollars (MSRP) you could get a 5070Ti???
As long as it doesnt get scalped heavily then itll actually on the street be much much cheaper than a 5070Ti.


Gonna be a hard sell but they might get lucky with 5070Tis going for what 900 dollars these days.
 

DenchDeckard

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The 9070XT is supposed to be taking on the RTX 5070Ti in raster right?

For an extra 50 dollars (MSRP) you could get a 5070Ti???
As long as it doesnt get scalped heavily then itll actually on the street be much much cheaper than a 5070Ti.


Gonna be a hard sell but they might get lucky with 5070Tis going for what 900 dollars these days.

9070 XT will probably become in under 5070 ti and 9070 will be above 5070.

Raytracing will be a bit behind Nvidia.
 

Three

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$699 is pretty dumb, once stock and prices stabilise most would go for the 5070ti. $649 is even dumber, a $50 discount for what appears to be a significantly slower GPU makes little sense.

Ah AMD, once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
If or when stock stabilises they can knock down the price. They know that the nvidia cards aren't selling at MSRP at the moment so it is more than a $50 discount for most. Alternatively Nvidia may have even known AMDs price targets and matched them knowing they will not sell for their MSRP and have little supply at that price regardless.
 
Gibbo at OCUK:

Gibbo. how does it work when there sale price is unknown? Do you have these on SoR? Also wonder how it works for AIBs? It seems like a mad way to operate a business'

'Its mad way and very annoying.
We have a lot of cash tied up in product we cannot even sell....

At least not long to wait now. :)'


They don't know the MSRP yet, the AIB variants will get scalped to fuck if they've had inventory to sit on for months.


Anyway, Nvidia fans deserve a few more generations like the dogshit 5000 series. They're not quite at an intel tier of buck breaking yet, we'll get there though.


Maybe we should accept the fact that AMD just CANT price them any lower?


They have high yield, high margin x3d and enterprise cpu's which could have taken those wafers.

I imagine there's vicious arguments happening all the time between RTG and the CPU side.
 
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Crayon

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It's just common sense. If you want to go up against a juggernaut in any business, you have to do something extra ordinary to entice people to change brands. I currently am a new pc builder with an rtx 4070. I was considering buying the XT if it offered great price/performance. DLSS 4 as really been a game changer now starting to doubt I will bother and stick with my older card. The software on Nvidia's side is just miles better than what the competition has to offer.

The cards aren't event out yet. We don't 100% know the mar, the real price, the performance, or how good the upscaling is. At some point it's as much vibes as common sense and I'll call your post here exhibit b.
 

simpatico

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If these prices are accurate, I'm simply going to hold onto my current card (3080) for another gen. Despite everyone saying that 10 GB isn't enough, I've only ran into problems with 1 game (Indiana Jones), and lowering 1 setting cleared that up. I don't play at 4k, so I guess that helps.
You can easily ride to the PS6 era with a 3080 man. No question. Especially at sub 4k.
 

SABRE220

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Why don’t you wait until pricing is revealed and reviews happen before acting like a little bitch
Do we have a corporate shill here? Don't worry hun you don't need them to go "leave Brittany alone" for them.

I have been following and supporting them since the ati days, they have kept dropping the ball for a decade and have shown the clear intent to do so again when presented with a massive opportunity. So again sit down and stop trying to police posts like a wannabee mod.
 
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The Pleasure

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You can easily ride to the PS6 era with a 3080 man. No question. Especially at sub 4k.
That's not PC gaming. You're only PC Gaming if you upgrade every year. I remember Voodoo 1 to Voodoo 2. Those were great times. The jump from 486 to Pentium? Wow. 8mb to 16mb? Amazing. Playing Command & Conquer, Warcraft II, Diablo, Quake, Duke Nukem 3d, Final Doom, Quest for Glory 4, and the huge amount of stuff at Software ETC and Babbages along with the discount rack on KB Toystore? I'll never get to live such a wonderful era again.

God I feel sad.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Do we have a corporate shill here? Don't worry hun you don't need them to go "leave Brittany alone" for them.

I have been following and supporting them since the ati days, they have kept dropping the ball for a decade and have shown the clear intent to do so again when presented with a massive opportunity. So again sit down and stop trying to police posts like a wannabee mod.
Telling you to actually fucking wait and see the prices isn’t being a corporate shill.

If that’s ends up being the price then by all means be angry, but until then can we at least take a wait and see approach.
 
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