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MicroCenter lists RDNA 4 RX 9070 series: RX 9070 XT starting at $699, RX 9070 at $649
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Bry0
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simpatico
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If nothing else, vRAM capacity got 50-100% gains every gen. Staying exactly the same on these Nvidia cards is where I checked out. Selling an 8GB 5060 in 2025 is my line. I'm trying to limit how much time I spend gaming anyhow. Nvidia is just helping me kick the habit. The good dope isn't even available anymore. We're all just chasing the dragon with cheap ray traced methadone. If anyone finds themselves desperately trying to wring some fun out of a Ubisoft game on a Saturday to justify a hardware purchase or reignite an old flame, just imagine the sandwich you could be eating instead.
Insane Metal
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DOA. FFS AMD.
SolidQ
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Some benchs
And now for RT... Cyberpunk 2077 RT Ultra in 4K (custom scene)
9070XT gets 28FPS (no upscaling!) and 9070 gets 21FPS (5080 scored 33 FPS, 5070TI scored 29FPS)
PATH TRACING in 4K the 9070XT got 10FPS and the 9070 got 8 FPS (5080 scored 15FPS and 5070Ti got 12FPS)
OCing takes it to 5080 levels, but you can also overclock the 5080, that's true
Here is problem with 5080, it's cost much much more
Overall, with final data I gathered... 9070XT is a replacement to the XTX in raster, much better RT, losing some VRAM, but it didn't matter in testing for now... You get FSR4 and RT is just leagues ahead, it's a tier ahead of the XTX (с)
And now for RT... Cyberpunk 2077 RT Ultra in 4K (custom scene)
9070XT gets 28FPS (no upscaling!) and 9070 gets 21FPS (5080 scored 33 FPS, 5070TI scored 29FPS)
PATH TRACING in 4K the 9070XT got 10FPS and the 9070 got 8 FPS (5080 scored 15FPS and 5070Ti got 12FPS)
OCing takes it to 5080 levels, but you can also overclock the 5080, that's true
Here is problem with 5080, it's cost much much more
Overall, with final data I gathered... 9070XT is a replacement to the XTX in raster, much better RT, losing some VRAM, but it didn't matter in testing for now... You get FSR4 and RT is just leagues ahead, it's a tier ahead of the XTX (с)
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Wolzard
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Some benchs
And now for RT... Cyberpunk 2077 RT Ultra in 4K (custom scene)
9070XT gets 28FPS (no upscaling!) and 9070 gets 21FPS (5080 scored 33 FPS, 5070TI scored 29FPS)
PATH TRACING in 4K the 9070XT got 10FPS and the 9070 got 8 FPS (5080 scored 15FPS and 5070Ti got 12FPS)
OCing takes it to 5080 levels, but you can also overclock the 5080, that's true
Here is problem with 5080, it's cost much much more
Overall, with final data I gathered... 9070XT is a replacement to the XTX in raster, much better RT, losing some VRAM, but it didn't matter in testing for now... You get FSR4 and RT is just leagues ahead, it's a tier ahead of the XTX (с)
Where is the info from?
SolidQ
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guy from another forum copy paste from reddit
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SolidQ
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and last data
Cyberpunk 2077 (custom scene, 4K, no RT)
9070XT = 63FPS avg, 9070 = 52FPS avg (5070Ti scored 60FPS, 5080 scored 69FPS)
Alan Wake 2 (4K, no RT, custom scene)
9070XT = 59FPS, 9070 = 48FPS (5070Ti scored 55 FPS, 5080 scored 63FPS)
He's also saying 9070XT scales better with resolution, than XTX
Cyberpunk 2077 (custom scene, 4K, no RT)
9070XT = 63FPS avg, 9070 = 52FPS avg (5070Ti scored 60FPS, 5080 scored 69FPS)
Alan Wake 2 (4K, no RT, custom scene)
9070XT = 59FPS, 9070 = 48FPS (5070Ti scored 55 FPS, 5080 scored 63FPS)
He's also saying 9070XT scales better with resolution, than XTX
Puscifer
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AMD dropping the ball again. They have a winner here but the price will kill it
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Guilhermegrg
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Buggy Loop
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Some benchs
And now for RT... Cyberpunk 2077 RT Ultra in 4K (custom scene)
9070XT gets 28FPS (no upscaling!) and 9070 gets 21FPS (5080 scored 33 FPS, 5070TI scored 29FPS)
PATH TRACING in 4K the 9070XT got 10FPS and the 9070 got 8 FPS (5080 scored 15FPS and 5070Ti got 12FPS)
OCing takes it to 5080 levels, but you can also overclock the 5080, that's true
Here is problem with 5080, it's cost much much more
Overall, with final data I gathered... 9070XT is a replacement to the XTX in raster, much better RT, losing some VRAM, but it didn't matter in testing for now... You get FSR4 and RT is just leagues ahead, it's a tier ahead of the XTX (с)
Finally path tracing
If those numbers are legit and it’s comparing apples to apples systems, then welcome back AMD in modern rendering.
If FSR 4 is transformer model then I fall off my chair.
manfestival
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I mean if this pricing is truly accurate and it manages to be in stock somehow then it would be a fantastic deal in todays climate. Now do we realistically expect this? nah
Rosoboy19
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This. AMD says they want more dedicated GPU market share but are we REALLY sure they actually care that much?
They may just be content to hang around and (slowly) copy Nvidia’s innovations for use in their much more profitable custom SOC business.
owandeseis
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9070XT being so close to 5070ti in RT is very impressive, bit worse in PT but there are so few of these games still that it really doesn't matter.Some benchs
And now for RT... Cyberpunk 2077 RT Ultra in 4K (custom scene)
9070XT gets 28FPS (no upscaling!) and 9070 gets 21FPS (5080 scored 33 FPS, 5070TI scored 29FPS)
PATH TRACING in 4K the 9070XT got 10FPS and the 9070 got 8 FPS (5080 scored 15FPS and 5070Ti got 12FPS)
OCing takes it to 5080 levels, but you can also overclock the 5080, that's true
Here is problem with 5080, it's cost much much more
Overall, with final data I gathered... 9070XT is a replacement to the XTX in raster, much better RT, losing some VRAM, but it didn't matter in testing for now... You get FSR4 and RT is just leagues ahead, it's a tier ahead of the XTX (с)
Now it's all about price and technology, FSR 4 looked great but we need to see more, and price should be lower than 5070ti, lets see by how much.
BattleScar
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What price? Is it in the room with us now?
Just wait until Friday before you start pissing and shitting.
rm082e
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We want to see meaningful competition to Nvidia so they don't do shit launches like the 2k and 5k series with sky high prices. Nvidia feels comfortable doing what they've been doing because they don't have any meaningful competition right now. The market share is the evidence of that, not the point people care about.
It's the same reason we don't want a console to dominate over the others in the market. Just look at what the PS2 did to Sony - it convinced them they could launch a $600 (in 2006 dollars...) console with sub-par features and almost no exclusives. 360 and Wii being cheaper, with exclusives, and running circles around them with features forced Sony to aggressively overhaul the PS3 on every level to be more competitive. Six years later, the PS3 was cheaper, had a much better UI, an online network for multiplayer, and a bunch of top rated exclusive games. They wouldn't have gotten there if Xbox wasn't providing that competition.
Insolent
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Looks like im going to return my fresh 7900 xtx
StereoVsn
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Price will be lower vs 5070Ti. Just subtract $50 from any comparable model! That includes AIBs, what a bargain!
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ResilientBanana
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Did you see the Microcenter screenshot? Same deal as nVidia with some cards surpassing $1K
Bry0
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That’s my point, those are probably placeholder. If not, DOA. I think it’s pretty obvious his post was in response to people flipping over microcenter screenshots.
SolidQ
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There is 1$ difference between same models 9070 and 9070XT
ResilientBanana
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I don't know, it appears to be the same manufacturer culprits as before. But also, nVidia's pricing on Microcenter was dead accurate prior to release.
StereoVsn
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Yep, we are two days from official announcement. Those prices look pretty legit to me considering usual AMD approach.
I hope I am wrong, but the chance of that is pretty low.
YeulEmeralda
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Yeah that is pretty much it. People only buy AMD because they couldn't score an Nvidia card.
Insolent
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Here is another reason for you
Nvidia cards are bugged with 4k 120hz tvs (sony atleast) - a lot of headaches with black screens for years
Amd works like a charm
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StereoVsn
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The issue is by then Nvidia will have inventory for 5070Ti and 5080 which means people are just going to buy that.
This is literally the best time for them to take market share long term and they are going to squander that for short term profits.
Crayon
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I'm tellin ya if they want to get more profit up front then drop the price, they should play this game with the low supply and fake msrp. Instead they fall for this rope a dope shit and have to review against a $750 5070ti that doesn't even exist. Just say it's $600 and scalp it for $750, you dumb shits.
Bry0
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Yeah, ASUS in particular might try. But lord what a ripoff. The margins for them would be humongous.
EverydayBeast
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Graphic cards aren’t a good business model
Crayon
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With the demands on foundries these days, you might be right. EVGA said fuck it we got nothing to prove.
Spitfire098
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Just knock 50-100 off what ever the equivalent Nvidia card is. Real money is in data centers anyways.
With basically a duopoly, people will eventually have to fork over if they want a new card.
With basically a duopoly, people will eventually have to fork over if they want a new card.
Radical_3d
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winjer
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9070nonXT temps
Is that in Furmark? Is so, then holy shit....
SolidQ
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on screen it's Furmark
Lucifers Beard
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I really hope AMD knock it out of the park here. I'll buy one of the 9070XT cards if FSR4 is good enough, RT performance is reasonable and the price is right. I don't need to replace my 3080 but will if this is a good card.
ResilientBanana
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AMD On PCIe4 and GDDR6. You're not winning with less bandwidth. Especially with these prices.
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asdasdasdbb
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STARSBarry
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Plenty of people hate him here of GAF, but he has a point. If you can lower the price and still turn a profit do it, it will create a huge wave of positive support and more importantly adopters who will have bought AMD for maybe the first time in decades. Like how much do these cards cost to make? Can you sell a 9070 XT for 550 and still turn a profit on it? Probably
So do it, get your foot in the door and people into your ecosystem. If I can pay slightly more for an Nividia cars that gives me superior performance in ray tracing and DLSS over FSR, most people are going to take it, you need to massively lower your price to combat this + brand loyalty.
And this is coming from someone who got a launch 5080, so I don't have a hat in this race I already picked a side. But your not going to sell more cards than Nvidia than announcing Nvidia -50$ whej the features between the two cards are not within striking range, and people are starting to care about ray tracing now.
The only way AMD is going to slow Nvidia and put themselves back in the market is by crashing it for Nvidia, not my tailing them.
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Buggy Loop
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But within a few hours of an MSRP announcement nvidia can change price?
It’s just a price war. They don’t have the war chest to do that with nvidia.
Yes everyone wants it except for AMD who really must be enjoying high margins too.
There's repercussions to an early price drop, especially for Nvidia who market themselves as a premium brand. Also, the people who get annoyed by it would be the early adopters who are the people who Nvidia most want to keep aligned with their brand.
Buggy Loop
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Even at their most successful, like every stock flying off the shelves during COVID with RDNA 2, they didn’t make a dent in market share.
I don’t think peoples realize how much bigger the mindshare for nvidia is.
AMD would have to basically have truckloads of GPUs ready for any demand at any store for anyone to walk in and grab one at near MSRP and to make scalpers irrelevant and be very cheap for any of this to make a dent. They would take a huge risk of having overmanufactured and nvidia could just get whiff of this kind of production scale and prepare itself (no secrets of such remains a secret for long in this industry)
With how AIB MSRP leaks are looking I don’t think the plan is aggressive pricing. I think we can forgot those expectations
lmimmfn
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Im not sure though, if i was thinking of getting a 5 series card, i would be holding off until the ROP issues, connector and black screen issues are resolved.
The Furmark result for the 9070XT looks very promising, same score as 4080 but maintaining temp of 50C - https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-...quivalent-to-rtx-4080-incredibly-cool-at-55c/
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