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[Meier]

Yes.

They need to open a Chick-Fil-A there. Won't even lose a day of regular business!

 

[Eight Diagram Bat Fighter]

They need to open a Chick-Fil-A there. Won't even lose a day of regular business!

http://www.shopcitycreekcenter.com/directory/chick-fil-a

 

[Jeff-DSA]

They need to open a Chick-Fil-A there. Won't even lose a day of regular business!

Pretty sure there is one.

 

[Dude Abides]

Again, he left the board. Who knows, that might have been a reason.

Doubtful. He was on the board for years and would have made a big deal about it in his book that was the reason.

 

[aFIGurANT]

weird thing is though is that a good portion of the "mall" isn't really a mall it turns out. basically a lot of the shops are facing in towards main street or out towards the mountains and thus will look kind of strange to an outsider walking around on a sunday. so while yeah you can say it's a mall, it's basically like the gateway in that it's all outdoors and more like a city block than the old ZCMI center was (I think). It's going to be strange to have like the most massive city blocks downtown be totally closed for one day a week but w/e.

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

I'm referring to the garbage like people claiming that they're going to be banning gay people from the premises, when there are actual gay members that hold leadership positions.

You forgot to mention that all of those "openly gay" members in leadership positions are ONLY there as long as they aren't in openly gay relationships and don't do anything "gayish." The minute they do, they're out. That isn't tolerance, or acceptance, or progress. It's a farce, and you know it.

 

[Eight Diagram Bat Fighter]

You forgot to mention that all of those "openly gay" members in leadership positions are ONLY there as long as they aren't in openly gay relationships and don't do anything "gayish." The minute they do, they're out. That isn't tolerance, or acceptance, or progress. It's a farce, and you know it.

Farce? The church isn't pretending to be tolerant or accepting of that behavior and never has.

 

[fredrancour]

Pretty sure there is one.

Good. Chick fil a is delicious. Second-worst thing about living in Boston (after Celtics fans) is that there's no convenient chick fil a.

 

[ctrayne]

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[Ghost_Protocol]

Farce? The church isn't pretending to be tolerant or accepting of that behavior and never has.

Jeff-DSA is committing the farce. He tried to suggest that because gay members are allowed to serve in the church (caveat - as long as they put on a heterosexual appearance), that it somehow means that the church and church-related institutions/businesses have all suddenly become a welcoming place for gays, and that it would be unconscionable for a store in that shopping center to deny service to a gay couple if they were spotted holding hands/kissing. The reality is that they absolutely could, and would.

 

[ronito]

Farce? The church isn't pretending to be tolerant or accepting of that behavior and never has.

I have to agree here. It's not like the church has changed any stance or is trying to exploit the gay community. It's holding to the same teaching it always has. You can be called to leadership or anything, the moment you start to sin you're out (and yes gay activity is a sin according to the church). They're neither anymore or less accepting than they have been in the past.

Jeff-DSA is committing the farce. He tried to suggest that because gay members are allowed to serve in the church (caveat - as long as they put on a heterosexual appearance), that that somehow means that the church has suddenly become a welcoming place for the gays, and that it would be unconscionable for a store in that shopping center to deny service to a gay couple if they were spotted holding hands/kissing. The reality is that they absolutely could, and already do.

quoi? Dude the mall isn't even open.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Jeff-DSA is committing the farce. He tried to suggest that because gay members are allowed to serve in the church (caveat - as long as they put on a heterosexual appearance), that it somehow means that the church and church-related institutions/businesses have all suddenly become a welcoming place for gays, and that it would be unconscionable for a store in that shopping center to deny service to a gay couple if they were spotted holding hands/kissing. The reality is that they absolutely could, and would.

Where are all these church-owned businesses where this could possibly be happening? You're making stuff up.

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

I have to agree here. It's not like the church has changed any stance or is trying to exploit the gay community. It's holding to the same teaching it always has. You can be called to leadership or anything, the moment you start to sin you're out (and yes gay activity is a sin according to the church). They're neither anymore or less accepting than they have been in the past.


quoi? Dude the mall isn't even open.

Businesses all over the country do this already; the mall absolutely could. Edited.

 

[ronito]

Businesses all over the country do this already; the mall absolutely could. Edited.

Then it's on those businesses. You can't blame the mormon church because of what businesses do. Or assume how they will act because they are mormon.

 

[Barrett2]

Thanks for the tithing! We totally spent it building a Mega mall and GAP Kids!!

 

[NinjaFridge]

Jeff-DSA is committing the farce. He tried to suggest that because gay members are allowed to serve in the church (caveat - as long as they put on a heterosexual appearance), that it somehow means that the church and church-related institutions/businesses have all suddenly become a welcoming place for gays, and that it would be unconscionable for a store in that shopping center to deny service to a gay couple if they were spotted holding hands/kissing. The reality is that they absolutely could, and would.

No, he was saying that there is no need to make up bullshit and he is right. There are plenty of reasons to hate on the church but if you're being ignorant then it is just making you look moronic.

Thanks for the tithing! We totally spent it building a Mega mall and GAP Kids!!

Thanks for the reading!

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

Then it's on those businesses. You can't blame the mormon church because of what businesses do. Or assume how they will act because they are mormon.

I can absolutely assume that. It's a perfectly acceptable practice in their place of worship. They do it to their own people. Why not someone else?

No, he was saying that there is no need to make up bullshit and he is right.

There is no reason to believe that a gay couple wouldn't be banned from shopping at a store in that mall. Especially when the funding comes from an organization that ostracizes homosexuality. You don't fucking know that, and neither does he.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

I see more openly gay people in Utah then I ever did in Arizona growing up, in fact teens and younger adults are a lot more open to it here then where I grew up.

thats been my experience anyway.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

Mormon-ey?

 

[Barrett2]

No, he was saying that there is no need to make up bullshit and he is right. There are plenty of reasons to hate on the church but if you're being ignorant then it is just making you look moronic.




Thanks for the reading!

I've read over 30,000 pages on LDS Church history and theology. I've done more than enough reading, thanks.

 

[ronito]

I can absolutely assume that. It's a perfectly acceptable practice in their place of worship. They do it to their own people. Why not someone else?

This thread:

You:

 

[Eight Diagram Bat Fighter]

Jeff-DSA is committing the farce. He tried to suggest that because gay members are allowed to serve in the church (caveat - as long as they put on a heterosexual appearance), that it somehow means that the church and church-related institutions/businesses have all suddenly become a welcoming place for gays, and that it would be unconscionable for a store in that shopping center to deny service to a gay couple if they were spotted holding hands/kissing. The reality is that they absolutely could, and would.

But to my knowledge, City Creek isn't owned by the LDS church. They just put money into it I thought. I might be wrong.

I have to agree here. It's not like the church has changed any stance or is trying to exploit the gay community. It's holding to the same teaching it always has. You can be called to leadership or anything, the moment you start to sin you're out (and yes gay activity is a sin according to the church). They're neither anymore or less accepting than they have been in the past.


quoi? Dude the mall isn't even open.

Opened today.

 

[speculawyer]

So government owned/run business is dirty socialism but church owned/run business is . . . ? Theocapitalism?

 

[JetBlackPanda]

So government owned/run business is dirty socialism but church owned/run business is . . . ? Theocapitalism?

who said this?

 

[ronito]

Opened today.

Yeah I know but my point is a few hours isn't enough to be saying "They're kicking teh gayz out!!"

who said this?

To be fair, Ezra taft Benson might well have. He did believe the Civil Rights movement was a communist plot.

 

[Lax Mike]

Mormon-ey?

Mormon-ey, Mor-problems.

 

[Barrett2]

No, he was saying that there is no need to make up bullshit and he is right. There are plenty of reasons to hate on the church but if you're being ignorant then it is just making you look moronic.




Thanks for the reading!

I've read over 30,000 pages on LDS Church history and theology, thanks.

 

[NinjaFridge]

I've read over 30,000 pages on LDS Church history and theology. I've done more than enough reading, thanks.

Maybe you should read the posts where it says they get the money from investments not tithings.

 

[ronito]

I've read over 30,000 pages on LDS Church history and theology. I've done more than enough reading, thanks.

I've read over 30,000 pages on LDS Church history and theology, thanks.

I've read over 30,000 pages on LDS church history and theology, thanks.

 

[coldfoot]

who said this?

People who frequently attend church...

 

[speculawyer]

Someone needs to open up a gay bar there.

Spoiler

I just like linking to that video.

 

[Eight Diagram Bat Fighter]

Yeah I know but my point is a few hours isn't enough to be saying "They're kicking teh gayz out!!"

I find if anything, the people that get kicked out of anywhere is solely done by security by the person offending the security guard's own personal beliefs and morals, not really any company or organization.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

People who frequently attend church...

just checking.

 

[SUPREME1]

Farce? The church isn't pretending to be tolerant or accepting of that behavior and never has.

Boom.

 

[speculawyer]

who said this?

Anyone who speaks English would say all but the 'dirty' part. The 'dirty' part would be said by the (very large) subset that denigrates all socialism.

 

[spwolf]

I can absolutely assume that. It's a perfectly acceptable practice in their place of worship. They do it to their own people. Why not someone else?



There is no reason to believe that a gay couple wouldn't be banned from shopping at a store in that mall. Especially when the funding comes from an organization that ostracizes homosexuality. You don't fucking know that, and neither does he.

maybe they will hunt down gays with shotgun?

p.s. I doubt the church actually runs the mall, there are firms that specialize in that kind of thing. they probably invested the money and let specialized firms run the place.

 

[ctrayne]

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[Wazzim]

Does the mall sell non-Mormon underwear?

There is something called Mormon underwear?

 

[Xeke]

They need to open a Chick-Fil-A there. Won't even lose a day of regular business!

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

It looks like a beautiful place, but man 5 billion is just insane. I would think a project like this wouldn't exceed 2 billion.

 

[ronito]

It looks like a beautiful place, but man 5 billion is just insane. I would think a project like this wouldn't exceed 2 billion.

well the 5 billion is for more than just the mall. There's condos some restaurants and office spaces too.

 

[Pachterballs]

Its so new but the look is so midwest/nothingness.

how about some modern architecture mormons!

 

[ronito]

Its so new but the look is so midwest/nothingness.

how about some modern architecture mormons!

You rang?

 

[Trent Strong]

I'm waiting for the first scandal involving gay/non-mormons/sinners being expelled from the shopping center in accordance with their "moral rules".

That won't happen.

They have lots and lots of blind followers willing to donate almost everything they own.

Hyperbole much? Donating 10% is hardly "everything they own".

So I guess birth control coverage is completely out of the question for anyone living in downtown salt lake city area?

No. Mormons aren't Catholics.

 

[Vilam]

Looks like a nice place... wonder if it'll have a Starbucks.

 

[Phonomezer]

That is the most generic looking place I have ever seen.

You rang?

...Dark Souls?

God what an eyesore.

 

[s7evn]

But to my knowledge, City Creek isn't owned by the LDS church. They just put money into it I thought. I might be wrong.

They own the land and I think lease out to the companies or something along those lines.

 

[les papillons sexuels]

Sounds to me like they should have their tax exempt status removed.

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

Sounds to me like they should have their tax exempt status removed.

Sounds like you need to be educated on the subject before commenting, or at least read the thread before commenting.

 

[soldat7]

It has a fountain of fire. Fire!