MayauMiao
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I remember those, in fact I still have the games and planning to have a retro corner for OG Xbox, PS2, Wii, etc.
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MS Xbox have been so intent on beating Sony PlayStation, they have ended up beating themselves.
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I remember those, in fact I still have the games and planning to have a retro corner for OG Xbox, PS2, Wii, etc.
Soodanim
Gold Member
I understand why MS didn't want to go with a lower number for the name of the Xbox 2, because people are extremely dumb. There's the story of the 1/3lb burger failing in America because people thought it was smaller than the 1/4lb burger and therefore worse value.
But on the other side of that they should have also learned from Nintendo's experience. I would wager their awful naming choices after 360 have ironically been far more damaging than going with a numbered console that was -1 from Sony's.
The S/X split was a nice idea on paper, but it seems to have held them back.
It is a shame, and the idea that the console market will lose competition is something that won't benefit anyone but Sony. The last time I said that people jumped on it, but I think some are blinded to how business works. Sony isn't a benevolent god. They'll be straight on the phone to nVidia asking for pricing tips.
But on the other side of that they should have also learned from Nintendo's experience. I would wager their awful naming choices after 360 have ironically been far more damaging than going with a numbered console that was -1 from Sony's.
The S/X split was a nice idea on paper, but it seems to have held them back.
It is a shame, and the idea that the console market will lose competition is something that won't benefit anyone but Sony. The last time I said that people jumped on it, but I think some are blinded to how business works. Sony isn't a benevolent god. They'll be straight on the phone to nVidia asking for pricing tips.
ArcaneNLSC
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Ronin_7
Member
Xbox hardware are fumbled so bad i don't think Sony considers them competition internally anymore.
Xbox hardware teams have apparently also been hit before, those Teams were already in small size compared to SIE.
Their engineer efforts is also 5 years behind at this point, hence no DLSS like Solution & Pro refresh.
Xbox hardware teams have apparently also been hit before, those Teams were already in small size compared to SIE.
Their engineer efforts is also 5 years behind at this point, hence no DLSS like Solution & Pro refresh.
Kumomeme
Member
they are too greedy and severely lack of patient. rather than beat Sony, they want to achieve more than that instantly. rather than believe in the process, they betting on 'instant magical monopoly formula' instead. they doesnt want to stick for traditional process so they end up 'addicted' at trying looking for shortcut or 'clever' way to cut through the bushes than strengthening the foundation and it end up cost them. spending all the time for word PR, painting their competitor as evil wont change anything since they themself arent do themself any favour.
even just for competing with Sony would take lot of time, they end up too hasty, already see themself further than just defeating Sony and expecting it will happen within very short time.
thats why they trying to do everything at one time but end up nailed nothing. rather than believe on their developers foremost and work through there, they believing more on their bussiness model even it would cost their devs, while ignoring multiple noise from them.
even just for competing with Sony would take lot of time, they end up too hasty, already see themself further than just defeating Sony and expecting it will happen within very short time.
thats why they trying to do everything at one time but end up nailed nothing. rather than believe on their developers foremost and work through there, they believing more on their bussiness model even it would cost their devs, while ignoring multiple noise from them.
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The_Observer
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It was so good up until kinect. Ever since then, it’s a downhill with the occasional positive moment.
panda-zebra
Member
That sentiment is at least a decade out of date, but it's exactly what they're doing. A series of events has made it that they are now all in on games - big, money-raking games - and putting them anywhere and everywhere they can.
Forget Game Pass, forget xbox hardware as you know it and embrace Microsoft's ubiquitous multiplatform games anywhere you like. It's all about the games (and the DLC, expansions, paid early access, skins etc.) not a box, not a service, but games. that's the only way they're going to bring in the kind of money they need to make this all work, and they have ~20k people at it.
Whether they can pull it off with the likes of Spencer and Booty at the helm, leaders who have never shown the ability to ensure anything like an acceptable cadence of quality end product, is an entirely different matter.
BbMajor7th
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It's been XBOX since forever: more interested in winning silly number games with competitors than actually making great products. Nintendo and PlayStation have both had their stumbles but instead of looking outwards at what competitors were doing, they looked inward and focused on their own strengths - Nintendo's bounce back from the Wii U was about having the courage to do what they'd always done best: innovate. PlayStation's bounce back from PS3 was about going back to what made them successful in the past: not the box, but the games. Both are now monolithic figures in gaming who barely look at one another.We didn’t want to name our console the Xbox 2 because it sounded less advanced than the Playstation 3.
*Name next console Xbox One to compete with the PS4*
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Why am I not surprised?
There's probably a correlation between that, the US, Xbox fans and Xbox management.
tommib
Gold Member
I think they could’ve been ok but they just had a constant cascade of flops with Redfall, Motorsport and Starfield. These were supposed to be some of the GOATs. Starfield was supposed to be the game of the generation.
Motorsport was supposed to be so advanced that it would annihilate the classicalism of GT7 after years and years and delays in the making. It’s probably the biggest Xbox studios bomb ever. Add to that a service that takes sales out of the picture and it’s a shitstorm.
80 billion spent on an acquisition was the interplanetary air strike that reduced Xbox to a shareholders and higher management nightmare.
Motorsport was supposed to be so advanced that it would annihilate the classicalism of GT7 after years and years and delays in the making. It’s probably the biggest Xbox studios bomb ever. Add to that a service that takes sales out of the picture and it’s a shitstorm.
80 billion spent on an acquisition was the interplanetary air strike that reduced Xbox to a shareholders and higher management nightmare.
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shaddam
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This. I was checking second hand xboxes for maybe find a good priced one and fuck around in unreal championship 2, but got confused with the naming
Badlucktroll
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I feel Microsoft is lucky that it didnt go through that it was labled a criminal organization and broken up in the late 90s/early 2000s
N30RYU
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I remember they trying on the japan market with Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey
Giallo Corsa
Member
Both really good games man (Lost Odyssey especially).
I really don't get what happened to this company/brand...
FF:Enhanced_Reality
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Sony and Microsoft in the market this past few weeks.
