vpance
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AI is awesome lol.
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AI is awesome lol.
The last resort to save entertainment media if wokists are still in charge in another 20 years.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
This is why your post doesn't make any sense.
You're saying people are still raging because he has yet to prove that his "next big game" will be awesome with no politics, killing likable characters etc.
THEN you tell me this could have all been avoided with a good-looking character and some kick ass battle scenes.
That wouldn't work because people would still assume his game is filled with politics and he wouldn't be able to prove it UNTIL the game is released. This means people are still going to hate it regardless.
I believe those people are dumb because GotG is an action comedy and this game doesn't give any hints about being a comedic video game. The only thing similar is that they're both set in space.
This gives off vibes of an 80's sci-fi action movie.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Ulysses 31
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Wrong.
Intergalactic would had gotten way more likes and not trolled to death with memes with even YT streamers making fun of it if then made the trailer with a better looking character, and more gameplay, or at least more CGI action. Instead, you got a skinhead girl who looks like a guy (lesbian red flag), gen z attitude (not a likeable trait), and more time spent on product placements and Pet Shop Boys than a game. At least if the trailer is all cut scenes (common for new games), make it a kick ass one like Witcher 4. The trailer was 4 minutes of basically nothing.
ND failed. There's zero info in that trailer it'll be something different. That's why people are laughing at it. Heck, the first scene is someone shaving their head in the sink to look like a thug.
And until Druckmann proves otherwise, it'll continue. Even right now, ND is double downing on it. Look at this laughable cover art. Gamers prefer playing good looking characters (esp if it's female lead). Not many people are craving to play a skinhead girl with attitude.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
But which one is Jordan? I see 6 or 7 possibilities. lolI just realised they are saving time by reusing assets from uc4
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Wrong.
And until Druckmann proves otherwise, it'll continue. Even right now, ND is double downing on it. Look at this laughable cover art. Gamers prefer playing good looking characters (esp if it's female lead). Not many people are craving to play a skinhead girl with attitude.
IMO they are going for this, but it looks a bit self-parodic.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
So with all this talk I decided to Upgrade my copy of TLOU2 to the PS5 version and check out it's Pro Enhancements and I'm really not impressed, in fact I don't remember it looking this bad.
I mean at first glance it looks great and cutscenes are look fine too.
But during game play if you really look at it there is this mosaic look to parts of the rendering.
I first noticed it with Dina as I was wondering what the fuck was going on with her face, but it's actually all over the place
And just looks bad even for a PS4 game.
Thing is, I don't remember it looking like this so maybe this is a PS5 Pro thing or am I miss remembering
I mean at first glance it looks great and cutscenes are look fine too.
But during game play if you really look at it there is this mosaic look to parts of the rendering.
I first noticed it with Dina as I was wondering what the fuck was going on with her face, but it's actually all over the place
And just looks bad even for a PS4 game.
Thing is, I don't remember it looking like this so maybe this is a PS5 Pro thing or am I miss remembering
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Donald mac Ronald
Member
Uncharted in space sounds like shit.
Uncharted 4 was 80% climbing 10 % cutscenes and 10% action.
The action was great. But I can't find nothing worse than the repetitive climbing/exploring crap.
Uncharted 4 was 80% climbing 10 % cutscenes and 10% action.
The action was great. But I can't find nothing worse than the repetitive climbing/exploring crap.
PeteBull
Member
Follow the traps
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
These so-called ''fixes'' honestly make the product worse.
Intergalactic is perfect the way it was conceived.
Intergalactic is perfect the way it was conceived.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Wrong.
Intergalactic would had gotten way more likes and not trolled to death with memes with even YT streamers making fun of it if then made the trailer with a better looking character, and more gameplay, or at least more CGI action. Instead, you got a skinhead girl who looks like a guy (lesbian red flag), gen z attitude (not a likeable trait), and more time spent on product placements and Pet Shop Boys than a game. At least if the trailer is all cut scenes (common for new games), make it a kick ass one like Witcher 4. The trailer was 4 minutes of basically nothing.
ND failed. There's zero info in that trailer it'll be something different. That's why people are laughing at it. Heck, the first scene is someone shaving their head in the sink to look like a thug.
And until Druckmann proves otherwise, it'll continue. Even right now, ND is double downing on it. Look at this laughable cover art. Gamers prefer playing good looking characters (esp if it's female lead). Not many people are craving to play a skinhead girl with attitude.
No, you said they would have avoided ALL of the backlash.
It wouldn't stop the Druckmann haters from attacking his game, even if people considered the trailer good.
Even if they release one of their best gameplay trailers next year, you're still going to have a group of people hating on it.
CD Project released a trailer and people are STILL calling Ciri ugly and that she's a female lead of the game.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Awww. Did I say All? Did I hurt your feelings?
Ok, I change it to Almost All. Lol
You have a weird fascination with YT video like and dislike ratios. Who cares if druckmann will always get laughs at and Ciri has critics. Druckmann does that to himself with another crap trailer and Witcher 4 trailer likes much more than intergalactic.
Onimusha trailer had a like ratio of 99:1. So what if 1% of people on YT didn’t like it. No video is going to get perfect ratio. It did way better than I intergalactic too.
Oh let me guess you’re going to find a video….. duhhhh here’s a video with zero dislikes. Ok fine post it.
Let’s face it. You just don’t like intergalactic being made fun of. And you know since the game won’t be out for a while as more news will be drip fed for maybe a year or two it means gamers will have open season to laugh more.
You can tell it already bugs druckmann as he already did another tweet trying to cement it as a new blockbuster franchise (the other thread). The guy rushed it out so quick he posted uncharted twice.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
That's not going to work here.
I'm poking holes in your argument because it's simply just flawed. It's obvious they were going to receive backlash after what happened with The Last of Us Part II, so no one should be surprised.
What happened to all the PS5 Pro backlash?
What happened to the PS Protal backlash?
They're almost nonexistent outside of the people criticizing the PSSR.
I'm showing you how online criticism doesn't mean much because it's completely different than how the majority of gamers will feel about the game. You're saying I have a weird fascination with the dislike/like ratio when you're putting a lot of weight on people's YouTube comments.
Horizon Forbidden West, God of War Ragnarok, Spider-Man 2, and Ghost of Yotei all received backlash. People disappear when the game turns out to be successful.
This is like the second time you mention Neil's tweets about something bothering him.
He rarely tweets and responds to criticism, but you're acting like he's always on Twitter responding to backlash from gamers when he doesn't.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Relax naughty dog defence force.
Go ahead. Poke holes in my opinion. Doesn’t change the fact intergalactic has got laughed at more than all the top games at the show combined. So your opinion is no better than mine. At least I can see why the trailer bombed and has been made fun of by everyone including streamers. You can’t.
Witcher 4 and onimusha got great feedback and hype. Copy those trailers.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Horizon Forbidden West, God of War Ragnarok, Spider-Man 2, and The Last of Us Part II received more criticism than most of the game trailers at the VGA, and it didn't stop the games from being a success.
Some streamers said the trailer wasn't good, but they're still interested to see more of the game. Tons of streamers were happy because it's a Naughty Dog game.
But you don't point that out because it doesn't fit your narrative.
If this game turns out to be a success then all that criticism won't even matter. The only thing people are convinced of is that The Last of Us Part II underperformed despite showing zero evidence and ignoring Neil Druckmann's comments calling the game profitable and successful.
Nickolaidas
Member
Wokeness doesn't sell. That is an undisputed fact. But it's also not a dealbreaker because, in actuality, wokeness is - in video game terms - a nerf. A 10/10 game will become a 9 or less / 10. A 4/10 will become a 3 or less / 10, depending on HOW much woke the game is (how many 'woke points', if you will). Baldur's Gate III didn't sell a bazillion units because a gay vampire can fuck a druid in bear form. It sold that well because it had a LOT of content, devs who listened to feedback, is based on the greatest RPG IP of all time, had good written characters and had a good deal of NSFW content for those who want to live their rpg sex fantasies with their waifus and husbandos.
BG3 didn't succeed because it was woke - it succeeded because it had a LOT of pros which vastly outnumbered the cons of it being woke. But if BG3 had MORE woke points than it already had (very ugly character models, especially for the females, inoffensive writing, total emasculation of white male characters, preaching about non-binaries, etc.), then it would have sold less.
So yeah, while a game being woke isn't an automatic death sentence for its sales, it needs to be a very, very VERY good game in order to make one handwave/tolerate/stomach its wokeness.
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Cakeboxer
Member
Didn't they all sell less than their predecessor even though FBW and Ragnarok had the advantage that like 80% or so of the 2022 sold PS5s (when it was constantly sold out) were bundled with one of those 2 games?
Nickolaidas
Member
Also, about the Mad Max Furiosa / Wicked point:
Mad Max Furiosa flopped because it was a Mad Max movie without Mad Max.
Wicked did well because it was a movie which didn't betray its target demographic.
Mad Max Furiosa flopped because it was a Mad Max movie without Mad Max.
Wicked did well because it was a movie which didn't betray its target demographic.
EDMIX
Banned
Well you've made this claim about a few users on here
Not everybody actually cares about the majority public perception, put it this way the youtubers that talk about the subject have obsessively targeted so many developers that it's gotten to the point where it's having the opposite of fact a lot of us have started to tune them out. They are free to have the opinions that they have but I don't know how much stock you think many of us put in those opinions to purchase games based on them.
We're talking about a crowd of individuals that seems to always have some reason for disliking a developer so why would we then objectively believe that their views on a game are real honest and legitimate? You could only make so many of those videos before we just believe you have a hate for that developer
So why the did you think we were going to care that these same exact people dislike this new game that's being shown? What evidence exist that they were going to even praise this game when they've been attacking the developer for this long?
So when you look at a lot of the community that just plays games you'll start to realize most of us are not out here telling you about YouTube or Twitter or telling you we're buying a game because of this person off a social media or something strange like this, So this idea that any of us genuinely care what the public perception is about this is quite humorous.
That's like trying to fucking say the person that gave Hogwarts a 0 it's going to tell you something about another game coming out and you should listen to them.....
Are you sure you're going to take that person seriously?
Why did you think we would care about YouTube or Twitter then? Lol
When I find some game is getting a tone of attention by a certain type of youtuber and glance over into that playlist history, its hard to take what they are saying seriously anymore then I would the person that gave Hogwarts a zero trying to tell me that Space Marine is a zero too....
Its not having the effect you might think Streets.
Using the ScreamingRageFace Youtuber metric bullshit, Fortnite, Far Cry 5, Battlefront 1 and 2, every Call Of Duty, every Assassin's Creed should have all failed lol
^ This part.
Making a bunch of triggered videos about a game or obsession over a developer and doxing actor doesn't really mean everyone will just magically stop playing games.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
No one is saying games like BG3 succeeded because of its wokeness, we're pointing out that wokeness has little impact on overall sales.
Most of these games are failing because they're bad games. It also doesn't have to be a very, very, very good game, it just has to be a good game and there's a good chance it's going to succeed.
Fess
Member
The combination of AI and mods could become a wonderful thing going forward. Maybe we can fish out the in-game models and use AI to tweak them to our liking as if the games have a character creator, would solve so many things when designers are pushing an agenda.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
That’s fine. People can ignore all the external criticism if they want.
Even ignore gaf too if this site is included since this game has got more negativity than probably the rest of the games shown at the awards show combined.
If some gamers don’t care about any of the criticism, they can just ignore all of it if it is so inconsequential.
Or even better, just convince gamers the trailer is so good they are missing out.
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Dr.Morris79
Member
That's not true at all
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Barbie and Wicked are two movies that are considered woke. If you're giving reasons why they were successful despite being woke, then you're only proving my point most people don't care.
Cakeboxer
Member
Where did i say majority? Bundles in general have not much impact. But if the hardware is sold out all the time and when it's available and you have to buy an additional game it certainly has an impact on the sales. Like i said, not the majority, but 100% a couple of millions.
EDMIX
Banned
? huh? yea...I don't know about that one bud.
God Of War 2018 moved 23 million units as of 2022, so it took 5 years to move that
God Of War Ragnarok moved 15 mullion units in 1 year....
Lets make this make sense lol That is like saying GTA6 sold less then GTA5 and its like 5 days into the game's launch lol I mean, use some context here next time. I don't now of any IP that is out of the game matching LIFE TIME SALES of something past 20 million units, not even Call Of Duty is doing something so absurd to be making this weird claim
True, but the point I'm getting at is
DForce
and many of us may not buy games based on anything occurring in that spaceAfter the 10000th rage video by a youtuber, why would we magically start to care about their views on games we've been playing for generations? If they don't like Naughty Dog or CDPR or Rockstar etc, nothing is wrong with that, but acting as if their view should be seen as something serious or objective is a bit wild.
Thats like asking you to believe that Hogwarts reviewer that gave it a zero lol
There is a limit to how much someone can force that to the point of the bias being so extreme, that a lot of us simply can no longer take their word for it.
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Nickolaidas
Member
The problem is that we have very little way of verifying whether wokeness does or doesn't impede a particular game's sales because we cannot go back in time and launch BG3 without pronouns, without heavy LGBTQ representation, without any kind of woke content and see the impact in its sales.
I mean, I GUESS we could compare the sales between AC Shadows and the last three AC games, once Shadows is out for a year? If the last three AC games sold like, 9, 8 and 9 million copies each, and Shadows sells like, 2 million, one could make the argument that most of the blame goes into the Yasuke debacle, which was clearly created for woke points. It's not like people suddenly got bored of AC, when it has a steady (more or less) fanbase ...
This is of course, estimation until the game is out.
Cakeboxer
Member
That was a question, i'm not an expert in console game sales, but i think i've read here and there they sold less and some of the games were even on PS4 + PS5 and therefore had a bigger user base. But not gonna fight on this one, you guys know the numbers better than me.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You said didn't HFW and GOW:R have an advantage because they were bundled and I said they didn't have much an impact on sales.
You also have to realize HZD and GOW 2018 were also bundled, so there was really no advantage.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If people brush off negativity from streamers who might have 100,000 or 1M views as insignificant in the grand scheme of things, then why do people get mad defending a game if the post got viewed maybe 1,000 times on the forum?? huh? yea...I don't know about that one bud.
God Of War 2018 moved 23 million units as of 2022, so it took 5 years to move that
God Of War Ragnarok moved 15 mullion units in 1 year....
Lets make this make sense lol That is like saying GTA6 sold less then GTA5 and its like 5 days into the game's launch lol I mean, use some context here next time. I don't now of any IP that is out of the game matching LIFE TIME SALES of something past 20 million units, not even Call Of Duty is doing something so absurd to be making this weird claim
True, but the point I'm getting at is
After the 10000th rage video by a youtuber, why would be magically start to care about their views on games we've been playing for generations? If the don't like Naughty Dog or CDPR or Rockstar etc, nothing is wrong with that, but acting as if their view should be seen as something serious or objective is a bit wild.
Thats like asking you to believe that Hogwarts reviewer that gave it a zero lol
There is a limit to how much someone can force that to the point of the bias being so extreme, that a lot of us simply can no longer take their word for it.
It’s all in good fun. Some games people like, some don’t.
As I said in my last post (maybe you missed it as I edited the post to add it at the end), why not just convince gamers the trailer is good. It’s 4 min long. Gamers got a lot of material to use to change minds.
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Cakeboxer
Member
You still don't get the point.
PS4 available = bundles have no impact
PS5 sold out all of 2022 = bundles had an impact
You wanted a PS5 in 2022? Sure, but in most cases you also had to buy FBW or GOWR, non bundled PS5s in 2022 were super rare.
When Spider-Man 2 was released end of 2023 the PS5 was fully available, so Spider-Man 2 bundles had no impact. Spider-Man 2 also didn't have the advantage of the PS4 user base like FBW and GOWR.
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Nickolaidas
Member
A feminist movie about a feminist icon which mocks/attacks the patriarchy wasn't going to meet resistance from its target audience - girls. Wokeness - in general - tends to annoy straight men, because it mainly attacks them and empowers the others. So straight men have no problems with Barbie or Wicked movies because they were never the target audience to begin with.
In general, female fans of male IPs are the majority of females who will oppose wokeness.
shoegaze
Member
ok, now find one FINER THEN THEM! I bet you can't though...
(please post more)
I think all the women you posted are fine though, but I just think Tati finer though. They are all looking right.
Weekend GAF is wild AF! lol
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
We already have enough examples.
We're seeing successful titles that people considered woke. If these games are succeeding then there are different reasons why these other games failed. Baldur's Gate 3 far exceeded Baldur's Gate 2 sales and that means it found a completely new audience of gamers.
If you want more data then fine, but it's not only AC Shadows you have to look out for.
Assassins Creed Shadows
Ghost of Yotei
Intergalactic The Heretic
llien
Banned
Wicked is a movie I have barely heard of. It is no huge success by any metric, at 540 million worldwide and 175-ish million budget.
(curiously, 70% of the box office income is US domestic)
I got your point that "some conservatives blasted it, but it did not flop".
But what does it really prove, besides "there still are some DEI movies, that do not flop".
Is DEI injection a negative or positive factor?
It is an excellent movie with nothing woke in it that I can recall.
Except the gender swap.
Protagonist being a woman made no difference to my wife, who didn't want to watch it.
But obviously it has pissed off quite a number of Mad Max fans.
Can we agree on this being an example of "gender swaps hurt"?
Is there an example of a successful post 2000 gender swap?
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Regarding the bald chick aspect: No one actually cares if the character is bald.
They just know it’s a sign of the game’s politics, which can affect the game, narrative, and hiring process that determines the development team and whether they were hired for talent or diversity points.
PeteBull
Member
Barbie was targetted and marketted to girls/women, ofc it sold well, thats our point, if u make game for the target audience, said target audience will love it/buy it.
Woke games target arent teenage boys/adult males, coz we for the most part are disgusted by that whole ideology.
What we saying- make games that target us- players just like u did before and that made u/games succesful, dont target 2% minority of weirdos coz of diversity/inclusion and if u do expect ur game gonna receive nasty backlash and most likely bomb.
That is why tons of woke games hide all the wokeness, like tlou2 and spiderman2, even horizon zd/fw did hide it, but guess what, it has long lasting effects for future games in the franchise coz gamers do remember
Lets check how much wokeness was in TLOU2 reveal trailer, back from 2016 playstation experience:
Guess what, 0, u had Joel, looking good and strong, a mentor, and grown up a bit but still very young Ellie playing guitar wanting revenge+ tons of massacred in all kinds of ways bodies.
No preggo woman going to fight, no bulky abby on steroids dosages so high she lost all womenly curves, yet she didnt experience any side effects of becoming a man in terms of hormones- still feminine voice, no increased facial/bodyhair, and no enlarged clitoris...
And surprise surprise, players loved the trailer and were hyped for the game: 10m views, 329k likes/5k dislikes
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EDMIX
Banned
I was able to read it, no worries.
I'm not going to convince anyone the trailer is good anymore then someone can convince me its bad lol
It is what it is. I feel the trailer should just be what anyone makes of it, it should never be this thing were anyone has to convince someone.
I accept that someone can dislike it, thats ok, but I merely expect that same respect back if we happen to like it.
maybe, maybe not lol Maybe to a degree, but I think people put way too much focus on this stuff in trying to say if something flopped or not.
Films can flop even with none of that stuff in it.
Putting a man in Mad Max doesn't mean all the films will be slam dunks anymore then putting a female as lead in all Tyler Perry movies means they will all be slam dunks (I wish I had a better example, but im tired lol)
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Nickolaidas
Member
But HOW woke were they? Those successful games?
Besides having pronouns in the character select screen, did they raceswap 1/3rd of the cast? Did they completely emasculate the male characters? Were the female characters in those games insufferable stoic flat chested girl bosses while the men were useless cucks or toxic assholes? Were the women ugly? Did they stress the fact that whites should denounce their privilege and let women take charge? Were there sermons about non-binary characters?
Or did they simply have a woman as the main character?
No, it just means that gamers in general are a lot more than they were 25 years ago.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
That's not the point I was making.
The Wicked trailer showed an unfavorable ratio on YouTube compared to Furiosa. This means people will dislike the video even though they have no interest in the movie. This shows people will dislike something because they "consider" it woke.
This was just one example. I also pointed out TLOU Episode 3 where people refused to watch it because of the Frank and Bill relationship, but the viewership wasn't impacted.
saintjules
Member
104 pages and we haven't seen proper gameplay yet. Wow.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Barbie was targetted and marketted to girls/women, ofc it sold well, thats our point, if u make game for the target audience, said target audience will love it/buy it.
Woke games target arent teenage boys/adult males, coz we for the most part are disgusted by that whole ideology.
What we saying- make games that target us- players just like u did before and that made u/games succesful, dont target 2% minority of weirdos coz of diversity/inclusion and if u do expect ur game gonna receive nasty backlash and most likely bomb.
That is why tons of woke games hide all the wokeness, like tlou2 and spiderman2, even horizon zd/fw did hide it, but guess what, it has long lasting effects for future games in the franchise coz gamers do remember
Lets check how much wokeness was in TLOU2 reveal trailer, back from 2016 playstation experience:
Guess what, 0, u had Joel, looking good and strong, a mentor, and grown up a bit but still very young Ellie playing guitar wanting revenge+ tons of massacred in all kinds of ways bodies.
No preggo woman going to fight, no bulky abby on steroids dosages so high she lost all womenly curves, yet she didnt experience any side effects of becoming a man in terms of hormones- still feminine voice, no increased facial/bodyhair, and no enlarged clitoris...
And surprise surprise, players loved the trailer and were hyped for the game: 10m views, 329k likes/5k dislikes
Abby reveal
No complaints about her appearance all over the comment section.
The Last of Us 2 Trailer (4K) - Paris Games Week 2017
The Last Of Us Part II Trailer #2 | Paris Games Week 2017
12k/ 447
9.5k/3.7k
The Last of Us Part II – Release Date Reveal Trailer | PS4
461/15k
Ellie's new girlfriend Dina is revealed.
This means the actual problem was Joel's death, not the "woke" elements in the game.
These are not hidden. These are things people considered woke.
Most of the backlash from Spider-Man 2 was from Mary Jane and that wasn't hidden. People complained BEFORE the game was released.
Nickolaidas
Member
No, no - Wicked is not just "considered" woke, it IS woke. But it doesn't affect sales because the target demographic (in its majority) doesn't care about, or endorses, wokeness.
In order to make a good case, you must present me a fully woke movie (or any piece of media for that matter) whose fanbase is predominately male, where that piece of media fully attacks masculinity, fully elevates women in girlboss roles, lectures you on pronouns, race, white privilege and conservative values, etc. AND that utterly kills it in the box office or sales.
Basically, show me an Acolyte which succeeded and sold millions.
Show me such an example, and we can talk.
Bernardougf
Member
LoL at trying to use a Barbie movie as a victory against "the chuds" ... movie
theaters around the world were packed by mostly two kind of people ... females....and males having to endure feminist porn for two hours on a date so they could try to fuck some of those females.
Thank god I have a girlfriend so she just went with my daughter and I didnt had to endure this shit.
Whats next on the "we beat the chuds" list ? Sex and the City ?..fuck off
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In fact now that I remember My girlfriend loved Sex and the City the Original show and the movies ... it had some woke elements but nothing to egregious or out of ordinary .. mainly a couple of gay dudes and feminist elements which for a show about fashion and woman should be expected...now they released a new show recently with the WOKE turned to eleven, everybody was freacking gay and trans ... my girl hated couldn't finish. Said it was too much... Dont know about the overall success of the show but I know it didn't last long.
theaters around the world were packed by mostly two kind of people ... females....and males having to endure feminist porn for two hours on a date so they could try to fuck some of those females.
Thank god I have a girlfriend so she just went with my daughter and I didnt had to endure this shit.
Whats next on the "we beat the chuds" list ? Sex and the City ?..fuck off
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In fact now that I remember My girlfriend loved Sex and the City the Original show and the movies ... it had some woke elements but nothing to egregious or out of ordinary .. mainly a couple of gay dudes and feminist elements which for a show about fashion and woman should be expected...now they released a new show recently with the WOKE turned to eleven, everybody was freacking gay and trans ... my girl hated couldn't finish. Said it was too much... Dont know about the overall success of the show but I know it didn't last long.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
WokeAF bro
This is 2024 and a butch lesbian revenge killer ain’t a white male last I checked
PeteBull
Member
When we realised what game tlou2 gonna be- betrayal of loyal fanbase, then ofc ppl started to hate, and justified so.
Now with intergalactic trailer since we know what kind of meal druckmann is cooking and we know it right from the very start, especially with this kind of protagonist backlash is there imediatelly xD
Thankfully now in 2024 ppl adjust to what devs presenting, aka many of us stopped going in blind/pre-ordering just coz we liked previous games of the dev studio, made decade or longer ago
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
People are frustrated so I cannot say it doesn't discourage people from buying the game.
The point I'm making is HOW MUCH it impacts the overall sales of a video game or a movie.
I don't believe it's that simple.
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever succeeded, but Furiosa failed. I don't consider this a "gender swap" because they're completely different characters. Black Panther succeeded because it's a Marvel movie and Shuri is an established character in the franchise. There could be also something to do with the actress being cast in her role. I believe it would've done better if actress was known for her action roles in films.