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NeoGAF Camera Equipment Thread | MK II

There's no cheap ways of owning Adobe Lightroom right? I'll have to borrow it with a monthly or yearly subscription?

I need it for my editing at home, as I am looking at getting into an education of photography.

They still sell a "pay once" version standalone version of Lightroom. You can try comparing for the best price in different stores, digital download vs shipped disk.

The only problem with the standalone version is that it barely gets any new functionality through updates when compared to Lightroom CC.
I guess if you're going with the standalone version then Adobe wants you to buy it every year.
 

Ty4on

Member
There's no cheap ways of owning Adobe Lightroom right? I'll have to borrow it with a monthly or yearly subscription?

I need it for my editing at home, as I am looking at getting into an education of photography.
You can buy standalone copies of Lightroom, but they won't be updated when new cameras arrive and a new copy of Lightroom 6 is like $150.

If you have an older camera you could hunt for an older version of Lightroom for cheap, but I don't know of a reliable way of buying them other than eBay. Stores don't seem to want to stock them.
 
I'm hourly staff, but the photography stuff isn't even what I was originally hired for. I have numerous job duties, photography just happens to be another one. How exactly do I handle invoicing. I think I actually have a paid thing coming up this week.
For invoicing use Zoho invoice (I use it for my web dev freelance). It lets you invoice up to 25 customers for free (and you can swap customers in and out) but it also lets you track expenses and send estimates too. Much better to keep track of everything.
 

RuGalz

Member
The only problem with the standalone version is that it barely gets any new functionality through updates when compared to Lightroom CC.
I guess if you're going with the standalone version then Adobe wants you to buy it every year.

You can buy standalone copies of Lightroom, but they won't be updated when new cameras arrive and a new copy of Lightroom 6 is like $150.

Standalone version 6 still gets updated just not as fast as CC version. The only feature that is not in it afaik is dehaze which you can find plugins for.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Standalone version 6 still gets updated just not as fast as CC version. The only feature that is not in it afaik is dehaze which you can find plugins for.

dehaze only came out in like july.

but yes lightroom standalone and ACR for photoshop both get updated.
 

RuGalz

Member
dehaze only came out in like july.

but yes lightroom standalone and ACR for photoshop both get updated.

Yes but there's been like 2 or more standalone version updates since that feature was added and it continues to be missing. The feature is accessible through plug-in API, it just lacks the standard LR UI to utilize it. So far it seems like Adobe just keeps the standalone version updated when there's new camera/lens added but not necessarily the other features.
 
Isn't Tony a big Canon buff? If he's not enthused then damn.

EDIT: Oh god I've gotten to the point of knowing camera Youtubers.
I've gotten very picky about my camera youtubers. I used to love DigitalRev, but I find them annoying at this point for example.
It was never going to be a huge effect for focus shifting just because of physics. Potentially having one extra stop for highlight maybe useful: http://www.rawdigger.com/howtouse/Canon-dual-pixel-technology

Sure you can do HDR but this wouldn't have ghosting.
So it's mainly just useful for landscape photographers?
 

RuGalz

Member
So it's mainly just useful for landscape photographers?

I don't think so. More DR is always handy because it means you have more room to recover from mistakes. The technical side of photography is imposed on us only because of the limitations of the tools we use.
 
Yeah me too, can't watch it anymore. The only channel I watch regularly is TheCameraStoreTV.
Yeah I just started getting into those guys recently. They're informative, but at the same time pretty relaxed. I'm also used to weird ass Jared Polin.
I don't think so. More DR is always handy because it means you have more room to recover from mistakes. The technical side of photography is imposed on us only because of the limitations of the tools we use.
Ok that makes more sense. Pretty much it just means don't rely on the Dual Raw to fix your focus fuck ups then.
 

Futureman

Member
My 5D4 arrives tomorrow and I don't really plan on using the DP RAW unless I hear some new info on why I should. Double the file size (so I'm guessing around 60 MB per photo) and pretty much just slight focusing correction in DPP. There is that 1-stop of DR improvement, but not sure that's worth such a huge file size increase and dealing with DPP.

Over my 5D2, I'm excited for...

-better AF
-usable AF with video
-cleaner/better IQ in video
-~9 MP increase
-better weather sealing
-2 stops better dynamic range
-Touch screen

don't really care about 4K video or DP RAW.
 
My 5D4 arrives tomorrow and I don't really plan on using the DP RAW unless I hear some new info on why I should. Double the file size (so I'm guessing around 60 MB per photo) and pretty much just slight focusing correction in DPP. There is that 1-stop of DR improvement, but not sure that's worth such a huge file size increase and dealing with DPP.

Over my 5D2, I'm excited for...

-better AF
-usable AF with video
-cleaner/better IQ in video
-~9 MP increase
-better weather sealing
-2 stops better dynamic range
-Touch screen

don't really care about 4K video or DP RAW.
Yeah I'm pretty sure it's more than a perfectly capable camera, there's just nothing really innovative with it. I think if I had a 5D3 I'd just stick with it.
 

Futureman

Member
Name the last innovative camera. They are all iterative at this point. Bad for people that are super interested in the tech side I guess? I'm interested in good photos so I don't really care I guess.

Canon 5D II was probably the last innovative camera. Before that 5D with full frame in a small, affordable body.

edit: Not to say there isn't room for a real innovative camera to come out, but to be like "Oh the 5DIV isn't innovative" is kind of a weird comment IMO. Whenever people jumped ship from Canon a few years ago because they were lagging behind in dynamic range, that wasn't due to Nikon and Sony being innovative, it was just a better sensor which is iterative.

unless there's something I missed as I don't follow Nikon or Sony really.
 

qcf x2

Member
Does this thread apply to video as well? The OP isn't clear on that. If it does:

1. What is your budget budget?
$500
2. Main purpose of the camera?
Film a short series.
3. What form factor is most appealing to you?
idk what this means but I'd like something that doesn't require a suitcase to carry around.
4. Will you be investing in the camera? (buying more stuff for it later)
Probably.
5. Any cameras you've used before or liked?
Nope.
 
Does this thread apply to video as well? The OP isn't clear on that. If it does:

1. What is your budget budget?
$500
2. Main purpose of the camera?
Film a short series.
3. What form factor is most appealing to you?
idk what this means but I'd like something that doesn't require a suitcase to carry around.
4. Will you be investing in the camera? (buying more stuff for it later)
Probably.
5. Any cameras you've used before or liked?
Nope.

Panasonic G7 and an external recorder for audio. 4k, great codecs, focus peaking out of the box and great with older lenses.


Runner up would be the A6000 for a larger sensor and better low light. Everything but 4k but the 1080p codec is pretty great on sony compared to Canon.
 

qcf x2

Member
Panasonic G7 and an external recorder for audio. 4k, great codecs, focus peaking out of the box and great with older lenses.


Runner up would be the A6000 for a larger sensor and better low light. Everything but 4k but the 1080p codec is pretty great on sony compared to Canon.

Ah, I guess that's what the form factor question was about... would this work with a tripod?
 

RS4-

Member
Probably a stupid question, gonna ask it anyway. I haven't looked into cameras in a while, still using an nex5r. I don't really care for iPhones, but that camera. And that price.

So instead of dropping 1k for a 7+, and yes obviously losing the form factor. What would a comparable camera be?
 
Probably a stupid question, gonna ask it anyway. I haven't looked into cameras in a while, still using an nex5r. I don't really care for iPhones, but that camera. And that price.

So instead of dropping 1k for a 7+, and yes obviously losing the form factor. What would a comparable camera be?

Purely in a context of image quality in stills that old NEX5R APS-C sensor coupled with a decent lens should still be a match for any smartphone. Smartphones value proposition is completely different, centered around portability, connectivity, ease of use, etc.
 
Purely in a context of image quality in stills that old NEX5R APS-C sensor coupled with a decent lens should still be a match for any smartphone. Smartphones value proposition is completely different, centered around portability, connectivity, ease of use, etc.

Match? Shit it should *destroy*. The i7 is still an iPhone. Most of the image quality found in DSLRs comes from sensor size, of which the i7 is still relatively tiny, not to mention Sony has more or less the best sensors around.

That being said an NEX5R is quite old, I'm sure they could at least find a comparably priced a5000/5100.

The only thing an iPhone has remotely over a dedicated APSC or larger camera is video resolution/framerate (not necessarily quality) and the automatic modes. Don't let Apple speak get to you and make you think that their cameras are anywhere near professional. They just aren't -- it's physics.
 
Ah, I guess that's what the form factor question was about... would this work with a tripod?

Yeah. You can put a tripod plate on pretty much everything. the G7 will give you a dedicated lenses, cheap auto focus lenses(m43), 4k.

Low light is a little iffy but getting better low light performance at that price point is simply economics.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Match? Shit it should *destroy*. The i7 is still an iPhone. Most of the image quality found in DSLRs comes from sensor size, of which the i7 is still relatively tiny, not to mention Sony has more or less the best sensors around.

That being said an NEX5R is quite old, I'm sure they could at least find a comparably priced a5000/5100.

The only thing an iPhone has remotely over a dedicated APSC or larger camera is video resolution/framerate (not necessarily quality) and the automatic modes. Don't let Apple speak get to you and make you think that their cameras are anywhere near professional. They just aren't -- it's physics.
um yea until phones have sensors the size of 4/3rds they'll never match a interchangeable lens camera. more sensor area > less sensor area.

People were raving about the Samsung Galaxy s7 camera, the phone which i upgraded to, i looked at the samples and laughed, they were crap and i would never use it for anything other than a snapshot or to record video.
 
Match? Shit it should *destroy*. The i7 is still an iPhone. Most of the image quality found in DSLRs comes from sensor size, of which the i7 is still relatively tiny, not to mention Sony has more or less the best sensors around.

That being said an NEX5R is quite old, I'm sure they could at least find a comparably priced a5000/5100.

The only thing an iPhone has remotely over a dedicated APSC or larger camera is video resolution/framerate (not necessarily quality) and the automatic modes. Don't let Apple speak get to you and make you think that their cameras are anywhere near professional. They just aren't -- it's physics.
How small are phone camera sensors? Less than micro four thirds?
 
How small are phone camera sensors? Less than micro four thirds?

IIRC, the largest smart phone sensor was on the Nokia 808, which had a 1/1.2" sensor, which is still quite a bit smaller than the 4/3rds. And I doubt the iPhone 7 even has that.

http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2016/01/camera-sensor-size.html

the thing is if you view a d800 print on 4x6 and a iphone camera print on 4x6 you're not going to see a whole lot of difference. Not until you get to 8x10 or 16x20.

Well you're also not going to get the bokeh either, regardless of image sharpness/quality.
 
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2016/01/camera-sensor-size.html

the thing is if you view a d800 print on 4x6 and a iphone camera print on 4x6 you're not going to see a whole lot of difference. Not until you get to 8x10 or 16x20.
My job ran into a rather glaring printing problem where they printed something heavily cropped from a D3 and printed it poster sized...looked quite stretched. To describe how cropped it was they took a pic that I'm quite sure was taken in landscape and cropped it to look like a portrait...people were not pleased.
 

Saturnman

Banned
Two of the biggest cameras of the year, the Olympus EM1 markII and the Panasonic Lumix GH5, (almost officially) delayed until early 2017. They will still be unveiled at Photokina in 2 weeks, but we just have to drool and wait some more.
:/

At least the new lenses were not affected by the earthquake. Zuiko 25mm f1.2 Pro and Zuiko 12-100 F4 Pro, here I come.
 
Two of the biggest cameras of the year, the Olympus EM1 markII and the Panasonic Lumix GH5, (almost officially) delayed until early 2017. They will still be unveiled at Photokina in 2 weeks, but we just have to drool and wait some more.
:/

At least the new lenses were not affected by the earthquake. Zuiko 25mm f1.2 Pro and Zuiko 12-100 F4 Pro, here I come.
I'm just sitting here waiting for a new Nikon 610 or 750 announcement...though I would be interested in learning more about the new EM1 or GH5. I am starting to get more curious about the mirrorless market for street photography and probably a light second body for outside event shoots like the parades I cover.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGp3JXKtHBM

I wholeheartedly agree with Tony here. Cameras need to pay more attention to what smartphones do in terms of UI and capabilities, in particular Sony, who goes 95% of the way to an amazing camera and flubs the little things. Better organization of the settings ALONE would be huge (sub menus for niche settings are NOT a no-no if it prevents losing the need to use options from being lost in the sea), but getting a SIM card and a less shitty app for things like uploading to Facebook would do amazing wonders for these cameras.

I've seen Hasselblad's UI for the X1D and it looks amazing, and we need more of a push for that. All the options, but sensibly organized.

[To note: I haven't seen or experienced Fuji's, but I have used Nikon and Canon's and while they may be a bit better organized than Sony's, they still aren't super intuitive unless you know where to look]
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGp3JXKtHBM

I wholeheartedly agree with Tony here. Cameras need to pay more attention to what smartphones do in terms of UI and capabilities, in particular Sony, who goes 95% of the way to an amazing camera and flubs the little things. Better organization of the settings ALONE would be huge (sub menus for niche settings are NOT a no-no if it prevents losing the need to use options from being lost in the sea), but getting a SIM card and a less shitty app for things like uploading to Facebook would do amazing wonders for these cameras.

I've seen Hasselblad's UI for the X1D and it looks amazing, and we need more of a push for that. All the options, but sensibly organized.

[To note: I haven't seen or experienced Fuji's, but I have used Nikon and Canon's and while they may be a bit better organized than Sony's, they still aren't super intuitive unless you know where to look]
I would agree it should be a lot god damn easier to share pictures on your camera to the internet or email them from your camera or something.
 

Ty4on

Member
How small are phone camera sensors? Less than micro four thirds?
MFT is 4/3 inch. In reality it's smaller diagonally, but smaller sensors all use the same meassurement so it's comparable. It's from the days of tubes being used as video camera sensors.

A few years ago 1/3 inch was standard for phones, usually 13MP. Anything with more pixels needs a bigger sensor as nobody is making pixels smaller than that today. 16MP needs a sensor 1/2.6 or bigger, 23MP needs 1/2.3 or bigger etc. Now bigger sensors are starting to get more popular so you see phones like the Nexus 5X, 6P and HTC 10 all using a 12MP 1/2.3 inch sensor. Same size as a lot of compact cameras. The iPhone 7 also bragged about bigger pixels IIRC. Last year's had a ~1/3 inch sensor.

Crop factor is 7.2 with 1/3 and 5.6 with 1/2.3.

To me the interesting bit is the extra camera. Aperture must be down from f1.8, but one issue with increasing sensor size in phones has been needing a thicker lens with the same focal length equivalent. The solution has been a bigger bump and to make the cameras wider which makes the 56mm EQ focal length intersting. Is the sensor smaller?
You can see from the chart here how EQ focal length has gone from 30 to 26 in two years.
 

RuGalz

Member
I would agree it should be a lot god damn easier to share pictures on your camera to the internet or email them from your camera or something.

Sounds like you want one of these: http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/cameras-and-camcorders/cameras/galaxy-cameras/EK-GC100ZWABTU

To me the interesting bit is the extra camera. Aperture must be down from f1.8, but one issue with increasing sensor size in phones has been needing a thicker lens with the same focal length equivalent. The solution has been a bigger bump and to make the cameras wider which makes the 56mm EQ focal length intersting. Is the sensor smaller?

They are probably the same sensor sizes otherwise you have too many artifacts to deal with when blending images. The tele lens is also f2.8 not f1.8.
 

BlueTsunami

there is joy in sucking dick
I would agree it should be a lot god damn easier to share pictures on your camera to the internet or email them from your camera or something.

Being able to transfer from my A7 to my Android is amazing in the field. I've done this a couple of times and did basic editing via the mobile Lightroom app. There's also Flickr functionality to upload via WiFi. The problem for all cameras are the gross UIs. Very cumbersome.

The cameras themselves should be made into connected devices but id prefer they have a seamless connection to smartphones instead. I don't expect Canon or Nikon to place resources to develop a smoother UI experience like you would get with iOS or Android.
 
Yes. Would get my bosses to shut up about sending them pictures while I'm still at the event taking pictures and the pictures on my phones are weird looking since the glass on the lens is gone.
Being able to transfer from my A7 to my Android is amazing in the field. I've done this a couple of times and did basic editing via the mobile Lightroom app. There's also Flickr functionality to upload via WiFi. The problem for all cameras are the gross UIs. Very cumbersome.

The cameras themselves should be made into connected devices but id prefer they have a seamless connection to smartphones instead. I don't expect Canon or Nikon to place resources to develop a smoother UI experience like you would get with iOS or Android.
I really should just get the wifi adapter for my camera already, but I'm cheap as hell.
 

Saturnman

Banned
I'm just sitting here waiting for a new Nikon 610 or 750 announcement...though I would be interested in learning more about the new EM1 or GH5. I am starting to get more curious about the mirrorless market for street photography and probably a light second body for outside event shoots like the parades I cover.

D610 successor is overdue but the D750 probably still has a few years in the market.

As for your mirrorless query...

The GH5 takes photos but it's mostly a full-featured 4k shooting machine at 4:2:2 10-bit with absolutely no video crop. If you take videos seriously, you should probably keep an eye on this one (or the previous models).

The EM1 can shoot 4k too, but it's more of a still camera, with class-leading stabilization, large EVF, top-of-the-line tracking AF (how good remains to be seen) and some sort of hand-held photo stacking mode (like the Pentax K1 or better).
 
D610 successor is overdue but the D750 probably still has a few years in the market.

As for your mirrorless query...

The GH5 takes photos but it's mostly a full-featured 4k shooting machine at 4:2:2 10-bit with absolutely no video crop. If you take videos seriously, you should probably keep an eye on this one (or the previous models).

The EM1 can shoot 4k too, but it's more of a still camera, with class-leading stabilization, large EVF, top-of-the-line tracking AF (how good remains to be seen) and some sort of hand-held photo stacking mode (like the Pentax K1 or better).
I'm mainly a stills person. I've been really interested in the Fuji stuff lately. If they drop in price within a year to something sane I'd love an XT-2.
 

Oxn

Member
Two of the biggest cameras of the year, the Olympus EM1 markII and the Panasonic Lumix GH5, (almost officially) delayed until early 2017. They will still be unveiled at Photokina in 2 weeks, but we just have to drool and wait some more.
:/

At least the new lenses were not affected by the earthquake. Zuiko 25mm f1.2 Pro and Zuiko 12-100 F4 Pro, here I come.

At least the new Canon M5 will tide us over :)

The buzz is that they are getting serious with this model.

I want to start taking pictures again, but the original M is too slow.
 

RuGalz

Member
Yes. Would get my bosses to shut up about sending them pictures while I'm still at the event taking pictures and the pictures on my phones are weird looking since the glass on the lens is gone.

If that's the main usage case, you can shoot in raw+jpeg and use a sd card reader to send some pics off from your phone. Of course the other alternatives are eye-fi and whatever wifi adapter there is for your camera but generally I feel it's easier to just read from the SD card because the workflow with those apps just kind of sucks.
 
If that's the main usage case, you can shoot in raw+jpeg and use a sd card reader to send some pics off from your phone. Of course the other alternatives are eye-fi and whatever wifi adapter there is for your camera but generally I feel it's easier to just read from the SD card because the workflow with those apps just kind of sucks.
There are SD card readers that plug into your phone? I just checked and they do exist. Can you recommend a good one? And well files are big and my bosses have the worse email storage, can't really receive anything thing bigger than 5 megs. Is it possible to reduce file size in phone?
 

RuGalz

Member
There are SD card readers that plug into your phone?

Newer Android phones generally support OTG so it's pretty straight forward -- get a OTG cable and connect your SD card reader. I know Apple sells an adapter like that as well because I see my friend use it on his iPad.

I'm sure there are apps that can go through the photos and reduce the sizes. I haven't looked into it.
 
Newer Android phones generally support OTG so it's pretty straight forward -- get a OTG cable and connect your SD card reader. I know Apple sells an adapter like that as well because I see my friend use it on his iPad.

I'm sure there are apps that can go through the photos and reduce the sizes. I haven't looked into it.
That would make my life a whole lot easier. I hate taking event pics on my phone, I just put like no effort into them.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
I would agree it should be a lot god damn easier to share pictures on your camera to the internet or email them from your camera or something.
should follow thom hogan, he's usually pretty good about when camera replacements should come. That doesnt necessarily mean nikon does that, but he's usually on point.

Being able to transfer from my A7 to my Android is amazing in the field. I've done this a couple of times and did basic editing via the mobile Lightroom app. There's also Flickr functionality to upload via WiFi. The problem for all cameras are the gross UIs. Very cumbersome.

The cameras themselves should be made into connected devices but id prefer they have a seamless connection to smartphones instead. I don't expect Canon or Nikon to place resources to develop a smoother UI experience like you would get with iOS or Android.
speaking of, he had an article a couple of days ago talking about snapbridge on the d500 and how it sucks.
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/snapbridge-isnt-a-snap-nor.html

i didnt buy a d500 for snapbridge, but it would be nice to say have it setup on my wifi (with ease and no issues) in my house and automatically transfer photos to my NAS so i can just open lightroom and have it import.
 
Two of the biggest cameras of the year, the Olympus EM1 markII and the Panasonic Lumix GH5, (almost officially) delayed until early 2017. They will still be unveiled at Photokina in 2 weeks, but we just have to drool and wait some more.
:/

At least the new lenses were not affected by the earthquake. Zuiko 25mm f1.2 Pro and Zuiko 12-100 F4 Pro, here I come.

Damn, I was interested in the E-M1 II. Guess I'll have to wait.

But that 25mm 1.2 will be mine, that's for sure!

If the IQ of the 12-100mm f4 is similar to the 12-40, I may consider it, but I kind of doubt it with that range.
 
should follow thom hogan, he's usually pretty good about when camera replacements should come. That doesnt necessarily mean nikon does that, but he's usually on point.

speaking of, he had an article a couple of days ago talking about snapbridge on the d500 and how it sucks.
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/snapbridge-isnt-a-snap-nor.html

i didnt buy a d500 for snapbridge, but it would be nice to say have it setup on my wifi (with ease and no issues) in my house and automatically transfer photos to my NAS so i can just open lightroom and have it import.
I'm reading some of his site and he seems really picky with lenses. Looks like the D800 series is really picky with lenses as well according to him.
 
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