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Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
So, my wife's sister asked if I would take their family photos this year. I initially declined - I would never describe myself as more than an amateur hobbyist - and told her family photos are very important, and with a professional there's less chance that things get messed up. She insisted - said she's seen all my work and has always loved it. But the bigger thing for her was that the kids - six and four - love "Uncle Skel1ingt0n," and so things should be more comfortable, more natural, more candid. And instead of just getting an hour and rushing, I can provide more time - we can just all hang out, and I can snap photos as we go.

I'm shooting with an X-T1, and I have a series of lenses:

Zeiss 12mm f 2.8
Fuji 23 1.4
Fuji 35 f2

I do a lot of travel photography, and so wide and light is the name of the game. But I plan to pick up something with more reach.

The 56 1.2 seems like the obvious choice. But to be blunt, I've never just followed kids around all day (lol) and tried to take their pictures. Is there something/anything I'm not considering that would make another lens a better option? We'll probably go to a park or zoo, a walk around the neighborhood, etc. I'd like a fast lens for dat bokeh, but I don't suspect lighting will be a problem.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
For events shooting in low light is it better to get a Nikon D500 or 750?
What's your other camera currently? And current lenses. If you only have DX lenses then I'd see little point in getting the 750.

Is flash allowed? Mostly? Or rarely? If you can use a flash mote often than not, I'd go with the d500, it has a better AF system and even the Iso gains from full frame could potentially be negated noise wise at least by nailing better focus, plus the flash would help with the noise.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYWwQOJee0g
Very good video that quickly goes over the main differences.

Few things I would add:
In the video section he mentions that a DSLR will flip the mirror up and behave like a mirrorless camera. While this is true, the "live view" is not nearly as polished as what a dedicated mirrorless would have, and also you can't see it through the viewfinder.

Mirrorless cameras are the best for anything manual focus, hands down. They can zoom in on that critical focus point so you can ensure that they have perfect focus right where you need it, and have "focus peaking" that highlights the areas that are in focus right in the viewfinder. This is *huge* if you have any interest in vintage lenses.
Also, they can be used with *any* major vintage lens. From stupid expensive Leica rangefinder lenses to cheap, $80 Canon primes, Mirrorless cameras are the best for adapting old lenses. But manual focus capabilities and vintage lenses aren't a big concern for many shooters.

Thanks for the video it was very informative. However now it makes me hesitant on choosing either as i'm not really sure what i'm looking for, I just want something stronger and better and have more functionality then my S120. But i also don't intend on investing a lot into the camera meaning i'd prolly just get the based and the lens it comes with and AT most maybe one more lens and that would be it.
 
Thanks for the video it was very informative. However now it makes me hesitant on choosing either as i'm not really sure what i'm looking for, I just want something stronger and better and have more functionality then my S120. But i also don't intend on investing a lot into the camera meaning i'd prolly just get the based and the lens it comes with and AT most maybe one more lens and that would be it.

Bottom line is, both formats take the same photo, but a mirrorless (particularly any APSC ones) will be smaller, lighter, and more likely to be taken with you. Most of the other differences won't matter too much past that for someone who is just getting into it. That's my two cents anyway, I don't really like DSLRs much :p

Only thing is I hate Sony's expensive as fuck lens selection which is why I try not to recommend them. If you're either rolling in dough or you're fine with vintage lenses fine, if not then look somewhere else. Even some of the Panasonic glass seems...decent price wise, I'd have to double check though. Body design wise the XT1 seems to be my favorite though and I heard the EVF on that thing is great.

A *very large* part of why I went with the A7II is the IBIS for vintage lenses, so definitely. That being said, you do save quite a bit on the body with A7 vs a 5D.
 

RuGalz

Member
Thanks for the video it was very informative. However now it makes me hesitant on choosing either as i'm not really sure what i'm looking for, I just want something stronger and better and have more functionality then my S120. But i also don't intend on investing a lot into the camera meaning i'd prolly just get the based and the lens it comes with and AT most maybe one more lens and that would be it.

Since you are relatively casual about it, I think I'd recommend mirrorless over DSLR. There's a bit less learning curve with mirrorless at least at beginning. And if you are not going to shoot raw file format and develop your pictures, Fuji and Olympus would be my top picks for nicer looking jpeg images. Fuji will be able to deal with low light a bit better due to larger sensor size. Both kit lenses are decent enough.
 
Between the different companies that make mirrorless, you basically have Sony, which has a full frame upgrade path (that's only relevant if you are insane though) and the highest overall sensor quality, but a lot of weird niggles (expensive lenses, awkward menu), Fuji, which has some sweet ass retro styled controls and good out of camera jpegs (You'll get a bit better end product without having to post process, if that bothers you), and Olympus which should be a bit smaller and lighter than the other two, but is a bit hampered on quality by the smaller 4/3rds format.
 
Between the different companies that make mirrorless, you basically have Sony, which has a full frame upgrade path (that's only relevant if you are insane though) and the highest overall sensor quality, but a lot of weird niggles (expensive lenses, awkward menu), Fuji, which has some sweet ass retro styled controls and good out of camera jpegs (You'll get a bit better end product without having to post process, if that bothers you), and Olympus which should be a bit smaller and lighter than the other two, but is a bit hampered on quality by the smaller 4/3rds format.

I thought we were supposed to take pictures using "raw" or something of that sort. I've been reading a lot of things about pictures just to get the basics

Do you guys have any recommendations between the Sony version of Mirrorless & Fujifilm of mirrorless?

I initially didn't look into the mirrorless category as i felt it was inferior but from the video seems like they are equal playing fields almost but with less expensive lens (Althouth not like it really matters to me) How big of a difference is this from my Canon S120 Powershot thats how nub i am it looks similar :O.

Also i want to make sure i'm buying a camera at a good time or not. If there is a specific time that would be great for purchasing that would be great to know as well. Don't want to be like one of the PC gamers that bought a GTX 980ti just before the new tech pascal cards came out.
 
I thought we were supposed to take pictures using "raw" or something of that sort. I've been reading a lot of things about pictures just to get the basics

Do you guys have any recommendations between the Sony version of Mirrorless & Fujifilm of mirrorless?

I initially didn't look into the mirrorless category as i felt it was inferior but from the video seems like they are equal playing fields almost but with less expensive lens (Althouth not like it really matters to me) How big of a difference is this from my Canon S120 Powershot thats how nub i am it looks similar :O.

Also i want to make sure i'm buying a camera at a good time or not. If there is a specific time that would be great for purchasing that would be great to know as well. Don't want to be like one of the PC gamers that bought a GTX 980ti just before the new tech pascal cards came out.

RAW photos give you more room to post process and edit, change colors, etc. This isn't *necessary*, particularly for someone who is more casual about it. That isn't to say that Fuji cameras *can't* shoot in RAW, but if you pixel peep to the smallest level the quality isn't *quite* as high as on Sony cameras (though still very good). Whereas if you decide you don't want to post process much or at all, a camera that just spits out better jpegs is of pretty high concern.

I went Sony because of the upgrade path to Full Frame and a few other key features that mainly pertain to using the camera with old vintage lenses. If I was only going to have one lens, honestly I'd pick up a Fuji because I like the idea of their retro controls. But I'd watch videos of some cameras from both companies (particularly of those in your price range), and see which appeals to you more. Ultimately, the difference in the final photo isn't something you're going to notice.

If I were to compare a point and shoot like the s120 to an APSC interchangeable camera, I'll just say there are plenty of professionals that use the APSC camera as their camera of choice.

RE: when is a good time; I wouldn't say there's really such a thing as a "good time" or a "bad time", mainly because each of the companies release shit whenever the fuck they want. Now, if you end up really liking a camera and are deciding whether to buy it, I'd mention it here -- there might be a much better value camera in the same series (For example, if you said you wanted a Sony a5000, I'd point out the a5100, etc), or they might be releasing a new one very soon, etc.
 
What's your other camera currently? And current lenses. If you only have DX lenses then I'd see little point in getting the 750.

Is flash allowed? Mostly? Or rarely? If you can use a flash mote often than not, I'd go with the d500, it has a better AF system and even the Iso gains from full frame could potentially be negated noise wise at least by nailing better focus, plus the flash would help with the noise.
Other camera is a d7100. My job is supposed to be buying the stuff and I intended on getting the 24-70 and 70-200 Tamron makes. I rarely use flash, I mostly only use the flash for group photos. Lens wise for myself I pretty much have 2 DX lenses, Sigma , 18-35 and 2.8 17-50. My FX lenses are the Nikon 50 G lens and the sigma 2.8 70-200. At some point I want to get the Tamron 24-70 for myself. I honestly don't like a lot of DX lenses so I rarely buy them. I like the new 50-100 Art, but at that price with no stabilization I'd rarely use it on a shoot. I can see a use for it yes but I'm not paying the "this costs the same as a D610" price for it. I figure I'd get the 750 for work and hopefully at some fucking ppint get the 750 replacement for myself if I see the right price for it one day. I still do a good amount of freelance stuff myself that could benefit from full frame. I honestly shoot just as much in low light as I shoot in the day time. Corporate events don't care about lighting.
 

Ty4on

Member
So I am leaning towards the Sony A6000
should I do the camera by itself or is this a good bundle?http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-al...lack/4750000.p?id=1219813940451&skuId=4750000
The 16-50mm is kinda poorly reviewed. It's very compact and wide, but one of the softer kit lenses.

How informed are you on camera equipment? It's a little more complicated, but for someone more invested in it I recommend going backwards and finding the lens you want and then the camera body which fits.
 

RuGalz

Member
Also i want to make sure i'm buying a camera at a good time or not. If there is a specific time that would be great for purchasing that would be great to know as well. Don't want to be like one of the PC gamers that bought a GTX 980ti just before the new tech pascal cards came out.

The "good time" typically is basically after a new model announcement. Then you can either get the older model for cheaper or get the maximum amount of time with the new model before it's price drop. Each company release different tier at their own schedule. There's also some rebates going on almost monthly for different products. Shopping season is also coming up in a couple more months.
 

hitsugi

Member
As far as mirrorless is concerned, I think Fuji is the better pick over Sony. For now, anyway.

If the e-mount system gets a good 22-24mm lens for under $900, I would argue this..

...but since it's zeiss or bust.................. if you like to shoot at 35mm equivalent you're going to have an expensive time with Sony.
 
Thanks everyone for all the previous information

I've narrowed it down between two cameras:

Sony Alpha a6000 Mirrorless Digital Camera with 16-50mm Power Zoom Lens (Mirrorless) vs Canon EOS Rebel T6i Digital SLR with EF-S 18-55mm IS STM Lens - Wi-Fi Enabled **also may consider A6300 (As well)**

http://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/sony/a6000/vs/canon/t6i/

Cost: $698.00 vs $749.00

Like i've mentioned previously i'm probably only going to purchase this and no additional lens.
These two models are standing out for me the most but i'd like to hear opinions of those who like mirror-less or DLSR
Post Processing of images i'm not very experienced yet as i'm still reading an online guide about photography.

IF there are better options you guys would recommend please let me know as i'm really a noob... at this kind of thing


Will be planning on buying a bag, extra battery, & SD Card.
 

RuGalz

Member

IF there are better options you guys would recommend please let me know as i'm really a noob... at this kind of thing


Will be planning on buying a bag, extra battery, & SD Card.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/canon/t6i/vs/pentax/k-s2/ Since you are still considering DSLR, seriously, much better view finder, twin control dials, weather sealed, IBIS are much more useful and at lower price point. It's a crime that DSLRs still charge so much for a petamirror viewfinder that doesn't cover 100%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7bpGiLKFDs
 
After much discussions and deliberations i decided i would go with the A6300.

Do you guys have any case, strap & SD cards you would recommend i get with this? I have zero camera gear besides my S120.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
So, my wife's sister asked if I would take their family photos this year. I initially declined - I would never describe myself as more than an amateur hobbyist - and told her family photos are very important, and with a professional there's less chance that things get messed up. She insisted - said she's seen all my work and has always loved it. But the bigger thing for her was that the kids - six and four - love "Uncle Skel1ingt0n," and so things should be more comfortable, more natural, more candid. And instead of just getting an hour and rushing, I can provide more time - we can just all hang out, and I can snap photos as we go.

I'm shooting with an X-T1, and I have a series of lenses:

Zeiss 12mm f 2.8
Fuji 23 1.4
Fuji 35 f2

I do a lot of travel photography, and so wide and light is the name of the game. But I plan to pick up something with more reach.

The 56 1.2 seems like the obvious choice. But to be blunt, I've never just followed kids around all day (lol) and tried to take their pictures. Is there something/anything I'm not considering that would make another lens a better option? We'll probably go to a park or zoo, a walk around the neighborhood, etc. I'd like a fast lens for dat bokeh, but I don't suspect lighting will be a problem.

What's the crop conversion on an XT1?

Generally you want longer lenses. 50mm upwards on full frame is good for portraits to avoid distortion but for kids out and about more length can be good so you can keep some working distance. A 70-200 equivalent would be ideal because a prime can be challenging for framing if they are running around. Little less need for this to be super fast as the length will help with narrower DoF naturally.

For in home or 'studio' use then around an 85mm full frame is nice.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
After much discussions and deliberations i decided i would go with the A6300.

Do you guys have any case, strap & SD cards you would recommend i get with this? I have zero camera gear besides my S120.

i dont know if Sony's are this way but my freaking nikon d800 doesnt take certain compact flash cards, i even have 2 of the exact same brand compact flash and one works fine and one doesnt work at all. All of them worked in other cameras. Just do a quick search on the SD card to make sure its compatible and or there aren't any issues.









Also unrelated, hell. yea.
 
After much discussions and deliberations i decided i would go with the A6300.

Do you guys have any case, strap & SD cards you would recommend i get with this? I have zero camera gear besides my S120.

get peak design leash

I can't second peak design enough. Fuck any other camera strap. Like legit I straight won't use anything else.

Also the A6300 is a hell of a camera, you're going to love it.
 
i dont know if Sony's are this way but my freaking nikon d800 doesnt take certain compact flash cards, i even have 2 of the exact same brand compact flash and one works fine and one doesnt work at all. All of them worked in other cameras. Just do a quick search on the SD card to make sure its compatible and or there aren't any issues.









Also unrelated, hell. yea.
I'd like to get a D810, but that just seems like complete over kill for event shooting and for how I shoot. I just couldn't imagine trying to upload 900 pictures from that camera into my computer.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
I'd like to get a D810, but that just seems like complete over kill for event shooting and for how I shoot. I just couldn't imagine trying to upload 900 pictures from that camera into my computer.

my surface pro 3 handles them just fine. only 8gb of ram.


also to follow up on your answer to my questions, based on what you said I would go with the d750 since you already have a d7100. I dont believe the sensor performance in the d500 is that much better than the d7100, so your only real gains would be the AF.
And you should definitely try a flash, i used to be the same way, even shooting in the evenings inside or whatever it was hard. I kept borrowing a friends flash and the results are night and day, literally.
 
The family is complete:

olygsrb2.jpg
 

BlueTsunami

there is joy in sucking dick
Finally got to use my 48" reflector yesterday, reflecting sunlight in a forest area. Talk about taking portraits to the next level.
 
my surface pro 3 handles them just fine. only 8gb of ram.


also to follow up on your answer to my questions, based on what you said I would go with the d750 since you already have a d7100. I dont believe the sensor performance in the d500 is that much better than the d7100, so your only real gains would be the AF.
And you should definitely try a flash, i used to be the same way, even shooting in the evenings inside or whatever it was hard. I kept borrowing a friends flash and the results are night and day, literally.
Oh I have a flash, I use it, when I need to use it. I mainly use it indoors with group shots and then just ISO ride as best as I can.
DSC_5335 by Marcus Beasley, on Flickr
DSC_0134 by Marcus Beasley, on Flickr
DSC_9617 by Marcus Beasley, on Flickr
I shot these indoors without flash.
Extreme Iso climbing for me here:
DSC_7604 by Marcus Beasley, on Flickr
Though I still turned similar stuff like this into work and they didn't say much.
Flash here though:
DSC_7732 by Marcus Beasley, on Flickr

And my main worry with 810 event shooting would be the space. Like what 50 gbs of pictures per shoot?
 

giga

Member
Apple Photos is the bare minimum. Bridge is not an editor and not comparable to Lightroom.

Look into raw therapee and darktable.
 
Now that I think about it if the D500 is just barely above a D7100 sensor wise why are people acting like it's the second coming of christ. Is it just because it has fast autofocus and a high fps with a large buffer?
 
Apple Photos is the bare minimum. Bridge is not an editor and not comparable to Lightroom.

Look into raw therapee and darktable.
I was wrong. Just opened it and Bridge lets you open a standalone camera raw window that has similar options but you have to have PS installed.

So yeah I'd just say raw therapee for now or the other for now.
 

RuGalz

Member
Now that I think about it if the D500 is just barely above a D7100 sensor wise why are people acting like it's the second coming of christ. Is it just because it has fast autofocus and a high fps with a large buffer?

Pretty much. It's a sports / wildlife photographer's dream tool so to speak. Its AF sensitivity is also down to -4 EV. Sensor tech doesn't improve that fast and has kind of hit a wall lately anyway until Sony produces BSI sensors for others to use (hopefully at lower MP count).
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Pretty much. It's a sports / wildlife photographer's dream tool so to speak. Its AF sensitivity is also down to -4 EV. Sensor tech doesn't improve that fast and has kind of hit a wall lately anyway until Sony produces BSI sensors for others to use (hopefully at lower MP count).

exactly. Sensor tech has hit a wall, you're only seeing small incremental improvements with each new camera. And the d500 is exciting because nikon didnt make a d400 or d400s, its been what 8 years since the d300s? but you get the FPS and the AF in a professional quality body(mostly). A lot of people didnt think Nikon would make a successor to the d300s. Probably the only person i read that still did was Thom Hogan.
 
Pretty much. It's a sports / wildlife photographer's dream tool so to speak. Its AF sensitivity is also down to -4 EV. Sensor tech doesn't improve that fast and has kind of hit a wall lately anyway until Sony produces BSI sensors for others to use (hopefully at lower MP count).
And I really don't shoot sports or wildlife. I could use the faster fps and larger buffer, but at the same time I could use cleaner high iso more.
exactly. Sensor tech has hit a wall, you're only seeing small incremental improvements with each new camera. And the d500 is exciting because nikon didnt make a d400 or d400s, its been what 8 years since the d300s? but you get the FPS and the AF in a professional quality body(mostly). A lot of people didnt think Nikon would make a successor to the d300s. Probably the only person i read that still did was Thom Hogan.
I still see people using 300s' fuck I covered a parade and one of the photographers still had a D1. It was beat to shit, but it didn't stop him.
 
So, my wife's sister asked if I would take their family photos this year. I initially declined - I would never describe myself as more than an amateur hobbyist - and told her family photos are very important, and with a professional there's less chance that things get messed up. She insisted - said she's seen all my work and has always loved it. But the bigger thing for her was that the kids - six and four - love "Uncle Skel1ingt0n," and so things should be more comfortable, more natural, more candid. And instead of just getting an hour and rushing, I can provide more time - we can just all hang out, and I can snap photos as we go.

I'm shooting with an X-T1, and I have a series of lenses:

Zeiss 12mm f 2.8
Fuji 23 1.4
Fuji 35 f2

I do a lot of travel photography, and so wide and light is the name of the game. But I plan to pick up something with more reach.

The 56 1.2 seems like the obvious choice. But to be blunt, I've never just followed kids around all day (lol) and tried to take their pictures. Is there something/anything I'm not considering that would make another lens a better option? We'll probably go to a park or zoo, a walk around the neighborhood, etc. I'd like a fast lens for dat bokeh, but I don't suspect lighting will be a problem.

To be honest i think you have a pretty capable lens with the 35 f2. It's the equivalent to 50mm. It's a really flexible lens when it comes to focal points , giving you quality in terms of portraits and spontaneous shooting.

Then again, the 56 might be a good shout, but i would imagine you will be wanting to do more considered portraiture with that lens.

I been wanting to pick up the 85 1.4g for my D700 for a while, but it would be a bit of a waste of money has i don't really go for that stuff, but as a portraiture lens, you can't go wrong with that focal length.
 
Is it safe to buy a pre-owned copy of Lightroom? Or are the keys one-time use only?

I'm trying to find a way to get Lightroom slightly cheaper.
 

RuGalz

Member
Is it safe to buy a pre-owned copy of Lightroom? Or are the keys one-time use only?

I'm trying to find a way to get Lightroom slightly cheaper.

I wouldn't unless you know the person well because you can permanently register a LR serial number to an adobe account.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
Is this the new rumored 70-200 from Nikon?
nope.

I might even be able to write this off on my taxes. I've been using it for work for months.
no might about it. If you are doing photography as a business, everything is a tax write off. The mileage you drove to and from an event? Yes. Software? Yes. Computer? Yes. Equipment? Yes. Your cell phone bill, potentially even part of your internet, marketing material (business cards), website expenses, etc etc etc. Find a good accountant and they will help you. Even if its not 100% of your income, its still a tax write off.
 
nope.


no might about it. If you are doing photography as a business, everything is a tax write off. The mileage you drove to and from an event? Yes. Software? Yes. Computer? Yes. Equipment? Yes. Your cell phone bill, potentially even part of your internet, marketing material (business cards), website expenses, etc etc etc. Find a good accountant and they will help you. Even if its not 100% of your income, its still a tax write off.
What if I work with an actual college institution and do photography for them as part of my job? Granted I'm pretty much freelance as well now.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
What if I work with an actual college institution and do photography for them as part of my job? Granted I'm pretty much freelance as well now.
Is your college paying you? If so are they paying you cash? Or otherwise part of your tuition or are they paying you w2 or 1099? Depending on how they pay you will depend on what you can write off.

For your freelance stuff get a receipt for everything. Invoice the clients and receipts for anything you buy for the business. Get a doing business as or llc if you want to be overkill. You'll also need a sales tax and use license from your state, but it varies state by state on what exactly you need.
 
Is your college paying you? If so are they paying you cash? Or otherwise part of your tuition or are they paying you w2 or 1099? Depending on how they pay you will depend on what you can write off.

For your freelance stuff get a receipt for everything. Invoice the clients and receipts for anything you buy for the business. Get a doing business as or llc if you want to be overkill. You'll also need a sales tax and use license from your state, but it varies state by state on what exactly you need.
I'm hourly staff, but the photography stuff isn't even what I was originally hired for. I have numerous job duties, photography just happens to be another one. How exactly do I handle invoicing. I think I actually have a paid thing coming up this week.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
I'm hourly staff, but the photography stuff isn't even what I was originally hired for. I have numerous job duties, photography just happens to be another one. How exactly do I handle invoicing. I think I actually have a paid thing coming up this week.
Just get a generic invoice template for word online, there's literally thousands. You invoice them at the completion of services in fact it would probably be in your best interest to write contracts too. And get an upfront deposit, usually a percentage of the total bill. The contract to protect you should you have a client that doesn't want to pay. Even for friends or people you know, some people get weird about money.
 
Just get a generic invoice template for word online, there's literally thousands. You invoice them at the completion of services in fact it would probably be in your best interest to write contracts too. And get an upfront deposit, usually a percentage of the total bill. The contract to protect you should you have a client that doesn't want to pay. Even for friends or people you know, some people get weird about money.
So far I've only dealt with people, it's a bit hard to get up front deposits. The contracts would be a good idea though and yeah people get really weird with money. I've had people just stop contacting me after they probably realized that they would need to pay me.
 

Pachimari

Member
There's no cheap ways of owning Adobe Lightroom right? I'll have to borrow it with a monthly or yearly subscription?

I need it for my editing at home, as I am looking at getting into an education of photography.
 
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