Trogdor1123
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Ive missed most of this thread but have we gotten any info on COD? I see lots of system war stuff but wasnt sure if we saw anything on it.
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November 2014 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes December 9th
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gotstrangepowers
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X1 won people. Get yourselves ready.
Trogdor1123
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Everyone is already "ready", they would be shocked if it didnt...
CitizenCope
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I feel if the PS4 lost but wasn't slaughtered its a victory for Sony. Those XBoxOne deals were too good to pass up.
Futurematic
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Stupid time zone, be Wednesday already!
Edit: although I'm too late (both this month & this year) I will wager a 100k gap, neither system making 1000k, and. . . coin flip ZBox for the win.
Welfare
Member
I just hope everyone had great holiday sales this year. Doubly for MS. They need it.
Why wouldn't you live on the East coast? /s
Why wouldn't you live on the East coast? /s
I don't think the silence means anything from both camps.
Sony doesn't often do them and I think MS is just preferring to wait it out for exact numbers; not necessarily to give out but maybe in the form of ratios and selling rate to be more comprehensive in their PR statement rather than the vague "best selling" like earlier this month.
Sony doesn't often do them and I think MS is just preferring to wait it out for exact numbers; not necessarily to give out but maybe in the form of ratios and selling rate to be more comprehensive in their PR statement rather than the vague "best selling" like earlier this month.
Aquamarine
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No, but we're going to get an update tomorrow.
Call of Duty: Ghosts sold 6.1 million copies in November 2013. I'll give a relative YOY update when the numbers come in.
Keep a look out for a random figure with no other context in the NPD thread.
gotstrangepowers
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No, after reading this thread there's a lot of people predicting a PS4 win. Someone eleven posts ago predicted a PS4 win...
Mikey Jr.
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Everyone and their mom knows X1 won.
They won the first 2 weeks of November, they have been at the top of the charts on Amazon for nearly all of November, and just all the anecdotal evidence points to X1 winning.
The question is just how much at this point. Enough to make a real dent in PS4's lead? If its less than 200k with all those crazy fucking deals, then I would say MS failed in that regard. Anything more, and its been a success.
Superman00
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I'm wondering if the sales didn't meet MS expectations. Pretty much all the deals are back to normal for the PS4, however, there is still some crazy deals for Xbox One. Especially by MS themselves. MS in-store deal for today is pretty crazy too. Xbox One bundle + 2 games for $350.
Hey, predicting a PS4 win is a no-lose situation.
If Xbox wins, just act nonplussed just like everyone else.
If PS4 wins, bragging rights and Kaz gifs will flow freeform.
Random question, but how did the companies know in the past what the competing consoles' sales were before NPD released their numbers to them when they released their PR prior to NPD release day?
Pretty much.
The theory is that companies know exactly how much their systems sold, but have only rough ideas on how much the competition sold.
I think things will go like this: if Microsoft wins, they will wait until Thursday evening with a press release. Everything cool. If they loose, we will see a sooner PR press release with something like "xb one was the best selling next gen console during black friday week" or something. Honestly, I'm expecting quite boring results. Microsoft should win. Gaf will explode if Sony wins though.
RealityPales
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My body is ready.
Microsoft is going to have so much fun writing those press releases.
Microsoft is going to have so much fun writing those press releases.
Even if MS wins Sony will just close the gap right back up when the Order and Bloodborne release. It will be a minor victory in a war they can't win. That's not even counting worldwide were the Ps4 is slaughtering the Xbox. MS needs to focus on the world and not just America, though I think it's too late for that.
DustyVonEric
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Seriously. Most people expect X1 to win. The biggest question I think most have is by how much.
As stated before in the thread, the meltdown probably only occurs if PS4 wins or if MS win by just a slight margin with the crazy deals X1 had for Nov.
fastballspecial
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Xbox One should have sold more units. Those prices were crazy. I even bought one at $350. Granted, I've only played it once in three weeks.
We don't know this yet. Really think it will depend on the price of the consoles when 2015 starts. I honestly can't see MS going back to having every SKU over $400 after this but we'll see.
That's the thing, it's already too late to compete worldwide pretty much. Might as well go all in on the territories that the brand is still doing decent in. It's all about PR at this point -- winning in territories where they actually have a chance to do so to make the Xbox One look like it's doing better than it actually is.
Nightengale
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Not going back to 399 is one thing. Still having their current type of bundle is another.
Will they still have a 2-game bundle at 349 post-December?
Duxxy3
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If I was making the decision I would refresh the bundle with MCC and Minecraft as the replacement games. Keep the price at $349, but at least you're not paying a third party for the bundled games.
Yo~
Sorry guys. Things have certainly still been busy at work, but honestly, the reason I didn't make a 'final month retail check' is because I don't really have a clear picture. We sold a ton of both consoles. I haven't had time to try to find an exact breakdown on a larger scale than my own district, and here, we sold more PS4s for the month, by a nose. Sony sent us a ridiculous amount of systems, fully refreshing us after we sold out of the initial (big) black friday shipment, and the sales we did on the white units saw really good velocity there. But the only other district I had a chance to try and look at saw slightly higher XB1 numbers, from what I could tell.
I just... don't have numbers I would say are a good depiction, like I usually do, so I didn't want to paint a broad impression.
I don't know -- don't think it will be two games. Maybe just one.
I could see there being an Evolve bundle at $350. Then a Quantum Break bundle a few months later at the same price. I also expect a Halo 5 bundle and a Tomb Raider bundle next Holiday -- could see them both being $300.
It's given pretty much a given....free games and steep price-cuts.
shadowfall
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Or May be it is actually because we feel it is very possible. End of the days gamers win !!!
Nightengale
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I expect a repeat of this year's bundle strategy for next year, but shuffling SSO with Blops3, AC with TR and COD with Halo.
- Special Custom Halo 5 bundle at a slightly higher premium. ( it's Halo, doesn't need to be a loss leader SKU)
- Double Tomb Raider bundle with TR1 and Rise at the base price.
- White SKU with Blackops 3.
- Special Custom Halo 5 bundle at a slightly higher premium. ( it's Halo, doesn't need to be a loss leader SKU)
- Double Tomb Raider bundle with TR1 and Rise at the base price.
- White SKU with Blackops 3.
DustyVonEric
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Thanks, Abdiel. Glad you're ok! I was actually starting to worry about you. I was like "uh oh, I hope he didn't get trampled
"Pretty much. I'm expecting a 350 evolve bundle in February. Evolve is a game that needs to have a healthy player base and since Witcher got pushed back, it's the only game that MS is marketing for those first few months so I expect them to go all in with evolve
Imagine the return of the white console bundled with a game. Instant sell out( well not instant but you know what I mean)
Deadly Joker
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http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/10/18/40gb-ps3-coming-nov-2-price-reduced-for-80gb-model/
Sony dropped from $599 to $399 in less than in a year in 2007. That's a bigger percentage drop and has to be some sort of record.
The white console did very well and I would be surprised if MS never brought it back. It would be nice if they made a Forza Horizon 2 bundle with it seeing that the game didn't do that well in sales; First party exclusive so it would be easy to bundle it.
Trust me. I'm a PhD
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Your input is still greatly appreciated^^
PS3: $600-----> $400 = 4/6 = 2/3 = 66% so thats a 34% drop in price
XB1: $500 -----> $200 = 2/5 = 40% so thats a 60% drop in price.
Yea no the XB1 dropoff has been way more steep when calculating the additional value of bundled games, accessories and subscriptions in many of the deals this season. It is absolutely unprecedented to see a product shed 60% of its cost in the span of a year.
I don't think anyone would argue that the deals MS have put out this season aren't unprecedented and anyone who does is kidding themselves. MS went for broke and threw all their chips in on the holiday season hand hoping to buy the pot. Time will tell if they succeeded but if they didn't they are pretty much completely fucked as there are basically no other play for them to make for the foreseeable future.
*waves* Welcome back man, you had us worried.
Dropping the price so drastically is risky since it devalues the product in the eyes of the consumer. If they go back up to the $399 price point after the holiday season its extremely likely people will hold off based on the belief it isn't worth the retail asking price.
Definitely. I really doubt they are stupid enough to do that though. They'll probably just do a price drop on the console to $350 and remove the bundling incentives (games, sunscriptions etc). I really don't see it being feasible for them to keep these bundles going though.
Wait, what?
Where was the XB1 available for $200?
Edit : I'm dumb, had to read $200 off, right?
Edit 2 : But in this case, it would mean 40% off, not 60%...
Edit 3 : No, your PS3 numbers do not compute in this case, my initial remark is still valid!
well, there is this math from target: $329 - $80 of software - $50 GC = $199
I assume he's including bundled items to decrease the cost of the core console in the calculation.
But wasn't Target eating a good part of the loss on these $130?
329 is still 329.
I got my 360 with five games for the price of five games in 2006. Was it free?
Read further it was valued at $200 given the costs of all the bundled merchandise. For a breakdown of that See the post below:
Trust me. I'm a PhD
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329 is still 329.
I got my 360 with five games for the price of five games in 2006. Was it free?
So packed in software holds zero perceived value? That sounds inaccurate...
Aquamarine
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Hopefully we'll have lots of software to share this month...in creative ways...
Hmm...
No way Target was eating the cost, absolutely no way. Companies like MS have to pay stores like Target to feature their products and give them shelf space. At best, MS was paying < the face value of the GC. And as for the pack-in software, again that is MS.
Not Zero, but less than full price (and of course it is much less than full price for Microsoft in case of the offically bundled games).
It adds value, but the price stays the same. Saying the XB1 was 200 dollars makes no sense, just say it was 329 with two games.