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So... Fire Emblem?
Interesting. I wonder, is it a sign that MS has a ceiling? They sold a good number of systems but you could characterize the 360 as a good system, not world beater. Is that enough? Probably but if that 10-1 Wii tie is true for December, and it beats 360's total games sold, than MS should start to be alarmed. They still have the big bruisers but we all know that casual games run the market. It will be weird if the market ever turns out that hardcore games do not hit the leading hardware and software leader.JJConrad said:Looking at just the Top 3 for each system in each month the Wii moves from 2.1 million (November) to 3 million (December) in sales, while the 360 goes from 3 million (November) to 3.1 million (December). That's a huge jump in the Wii's favor that isn't seen on the 360. If the Wii saw a similar boosts in the rest of its software sales, there shouldn't be too much doubt that it could have beaten the 360.
Is this a Top10 for December or LTD Top10?AlternativeUlster said:1. WiiSports
2. WiiPlay
3. Super Mario Galaxy
4. Metroid Prime 3
5. Legend of Zelda: Twighlight Princess
6. Big Brain Academy
7. WarioWare
8. ExciteTruck
9. Super Mario Strikers
and I guess #10 can be Carnival Games.
[1.) Wii Play] (Nintendo)
2.) Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo)
3.) Mario Party 8 (Nintendo)
4.) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo)
5.) Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Activision)
6.) Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Sega)
7.) Super Paper Mario (Nintendo)
8.) Wario Ware Smooth Moves (Nintendo)
9.) Carnival Games (Global Star Software)
10.) Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Nintendo)
[11.) Rayman Raving Rabbits] (Ubisoft)
Exactly. Forums are full of people saying 'Nintendo's hardware sales are not a problem for MS/Sony/whoever I'm a fanboy of, because Wii owners only buy it for Wii Sports and never buy any other games' - stated as if it is a well-known fact. Even with Galaxy's colossal sales staring them in the face, and huge shelf space presence in stores making it obvious.Flakster99 said:I think the hardcore gaming segment, including Microsoft NPD statements have done a wonderful job skewing software perception in regards to the Wii.
Yes, so that's why for these people (not all, just some) Nintendo has moved from 'kiddie' to 'fad' to 'not the same market' to 'doesn't sell software' to 'only casual games sell' to 'only Nintendo games sell' and back again with the fluidity to allow exceptions to be discounted by one of these excuses at any time.DrGAKMAN said:I'm not quick to categorize all "PS3/X360 people" in that way...just "some people" who are still coming to terms with the reality of Wii being market leader this generation in hardware as well as software now it seems.
Said the same basic thing a couple of pages ago with excerpts from the PR, shortly before Tabris sidetracked everything.JJConrad said:"Dominating" is a product of MS' PR machine and not a result of seeing the actual data. MS has always been quick to adjust the standards to make themselves look great (which all PR usually do). In the spring and early summer of last year, when Super Paper Mario and Mario Party 8 were the big games, MS heavily pushed how dominating their third party sales were (this is the time-frame when we first starting hear how no third party games on the rival console had made it into the top 10). August and September were obviously very good months for the system and MS was quick to boast how they made up a majority of next-gen sales. However, in November their PR switched a little, no longer claiming a majority, but just being #1. The Wii was already moving up on the 360 in November and that continued through December.
Looking at just the Top 3 for each system in each month the Wii moves from 2.1 million (November) to 3 million (December) in sales, while the 360 goes from 3 million (November) to 3.1 million (December). That's a huge jump in the Wii's favor that isn't seen on the 360. If the Wii saw a similar boosts in the rest of its software sales, there shouldn't be too much doubt that it could have beaten the 360.
Too bad we don't get an better way of tracking software sales for the respective manufacturers besides what they report in their yearly/quarterly reports. Which is probably just a 'shipped' number (if MS stuffed the channels w/consoles, lord only knows what they did with software). Then we could track them based on months from launch and debunk/validate various claims that live off of our lack of knowledge.D.Lo said:Exactly. Forums are full of people saying 'Nintendo's hardware sales are not a problem for MS/Sony/whoever I'm a fanboy of, because Wii owners only buy it for Wii Sports and never buy any other games' - stated as if it is a well-known fact. Even with Galaxy's colossal sales staring them in the face, and huge shelf space presence in stores making it obvious.
Microsoft has made 'attach rate' (an incorrect term) their god over the last few months, but a high tie ratio is a function of both good software sales and relatively poor hardware sales. It's a ratio that needs to be balanced, and MSes one is verging on unhealthily high for a platform with mainstream aspirations.
Yes, so that's why for these people (not all, just some) Nintendo has moved from 'kiddie' to 'fad' to 'not the same market' to 'doesn't sell software' to 'only casual games sell' to 'only Nintendo games sell' and back again with the fluidity to allow exceptions to be discounted by one of these excuses at any time.
Said the same basic thing a couple of pages ago with excerpts from the PR, shortly before Tabris sidetracked everything.
Chumly said:Seriously people need to stop being so god dam dense. As Donny has already stated its useful to know the monthly tie ratio to know whether or not the overall ratio is going up.
Captain Smoker said:LTD Top10 for the USA looks like this:
.Stumpokapow said:Incidentally, readers might be interested in some sales statistics. Based on my data, which represents 4.0 of the Wii's tie ratio outside Wii sports, I have the following information:
- 5 games broke a million (included WP, not including WS)
.- 11 games broke 500k (including the previous 5)
I have 20. ^^- 21 games broke 250k (including the previous 11)
It's not like it's something that's printed on the company newsletter. Also it's quicker to find out through here.dirtmonkey37 said:You work for Krome; aren't these numbers given to you guys?
Captain Smoker said:I have 20. ^^
Whats No.21?
You´re right, forget about it.Stumpokapow said:Madden NFL 07, based on leaked data for months one through four and no further data after that, is above 250k.
.But in retrospect, there are a few others guaranteed. the Wii Zapper sold 232k in November and obviously sold more than 18k in December, so LCT is also above 250k. MySims almost certainly broke 50k in December (if that 404k number is December only, then MySims broke 200k in December since sales are going to be >50% Wii based on what we know so far).
You again completely missed the point but it doesnt suprise me. You complained that Matts data wasnt believable because he used the monthly tie ratio. I told you why you were wrong. He used it to give us an estimate on how Wii software was doing without going the Wii has officially sold 13543536 pieces of software based off of NPD data.AnimeTheme said:It is not really "useful". Monthly tie ratio easily goes up (and down) by a huge degree with big software releases, holiday seasons, hardware shortages (exactly the case of Wii) and other factors, but it may NOT really mean a lot to the LTD tie ratio (especially when the hardware LTD is high enough). That's why you often see people talking about LTD tie ratio, but RARELY the monthly tie ratio.
You´re right, COD IV sold 522.000.Jammy said:Guitar Hero III had to have sold more than 500,000. That's the bare minimum we could put it at. For instance, there have been reports that CoD4 on PS3 sold over 500,000, yet Guitar Hero III on Wii was the 11th best selling game of the month.
felipeko said:So wich month we will start seeing ppl using PS3+X360 software against Wii's?
felipeko said:So wich month we will start seeing ppl using PS3+X360 software against Wii's?
ksamedi said:People are already doing it with the hardware, treating the 360 and PS3 the same. Ofcourse it has some truth to it, but it would be really much cheaper to make a game for the Wii than to make a game for PS3+360. Though, its just a matter of time before Wii ever surpasses both PS3 and 360 in software sales.
Yeah, i know that. But on NPD threads people just say "X360 is a monster on software, Wii will never catch it".. Now it just happened, i believe X360 will stay ahead in the next few months, untill march/april, or whenever Wii Fit launches (believe)... But then they will have to donwplay Wii sucess someway.. 3rd party sales aren't flopping on NA, so that argument is out.. I think the only argument left will be PS3+X360 vs Wii in the software..LCGeek said:I've seen people make that an argument in sales thread already.
felipeko said:Yeah, i know that. But on NPD threads people just say "X360 is a monster on software, Wii will never catch it".. Now it just happened, i believe X360 will stay ahead in the next few months, untill march/april, or whenever Wii Fit launches (believe)... But then they will have to donwplay Wii sucess someway.. 3rd party sales aren't flopping on NA, so that argument is out.. I think the only argument left will be PS3+X360 vs Wii in the software..
Matt said it... I believe him.Deku said:Where was this confirmed?
felipeko said:Matt said it... I believe him.
Deku said:I don't. We will not something more concrete.
Deku said:I don't. We will not something more concrete.
Wasn't there just rather a lot of discussion on why Wii software might be particularly successful at xmas, but not during the rest of the year? Taking one data point out of the last 12 months and using it to trend with might not be the best of ideas.felipeko said:Yeah, i know that. But on NPD threads people just say "X360 is a monster on software, Wii will never catch it".. Now it just happened...
Deku said:It's a real tragedy when we don't have full NPD numbers to actually discuss this.
I'm not thinking only on this data point, there have been a few times where we got info that showed the ratio "Monthly SW":"HW LTD" pretty even in all systems, this month (losing maybe only to Halo month) is probably the biggest discrepancy in this ratio so far (due to that xmas theory), and next month should become normal again (Microsoft winning SW, but only in the same % of their market share), unless some big software hits.Psychotext said:Wasn't there just rather a lot of discussion on why Wii software might be particularly successful at xmas, but not during the rest of the year? Taking one data point out of the last 12 months and using it to trend with might not be the best of ideas.
This is ridiculous. It's obvious that many developers are too stubborn to shift their development from high budget/hopeful blockbusters to Wii despite all the fiscal sense that would make for them.Dirtbag 504 said:another month goes by and I'm getting more and more scared as a hardcore games. The impact of the casual games scares me long term.
Except some 3rd party sales ARE flopping in NA. The problem is, as Deku stated, without full NPD data (or at least a good chunk more of it) we can't tell which 3rd party games are selling "well" (which is also a definition game). A lot of the confusion from the SW sales claim is stemming from the few known sub-top10 quantities like REUC and Nights; if those games aren't the ones making up the difference, what are? Older games on sale like Red Steel? New ultra-casual games like Hannah Montana or Dance With the Stars? Did Z&W, TC2, or RRR2 suddenly get a massive sales burst from November? And why did 360 owners stop buying software (I do think it's the hardcore frontloading most software, since there was almost nothing released in December; hell, I think the only new (not used) game I bought during December was Ghost Squad)?felipeko said:Yeah, i know that. But on NPD threads people just say "X360 is a monster on software, Wii will never catch it".. Now it just happened, i believe X360 will stay ahead in the next few months, untill march/april, or whenever Wii Fit launches (believe)... But then they will have to donwplay Wii sucess someway.. 3rd party sales aren't flopping on NA, so that argument is out.. I think the only argument left will be PS3+X360 vs Wii in the software..
donny2112 said:Questions?
Deku said:The software data we have accounts for about 4 million units of software, what accounts for the other 7-9 million?
December 2006 total software sales was about 52 million units... the Top 10 making up only 5 million of that. This year was much bigger.Deku said:The software data we have accounts for about 4 million units of software, what accounts for the other 7-9 million?
Chumly said:He used it to give us an estimate on how Wii software was doing without going the Wii has officially sold 13543536 pieces of software based off of NPD data.
Can you even comprehend what I said? Or are you just too stupid?AnimeTheme said:Official? :lol
You can't post them here but you can always pm me the data.Lobster said:If I paid for NPD data (lulz), could I reveal them anonymously on GAF or would that get GAF in a fuckload of trouble for just having those numbers?
I felt like doing this in the future when having a bit of cash in my pockets..
Chumly said:Can you even comprehend what I said? Or are you just too stupid?
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lolAnimeTheme said:Let's just accept that Wii SW > 360 SW as Matt himself said so and donny2112 confirmed it with facts. But exactly how much is Wii SW outselling? We do NOT know at this point. And let's NOT try to think about getting the "official" number by simply extrapolating the 10:1 thing, because we do NOT exactly know how he calculated it or if it is really accurate at all.
The only reason people firmly believe Matt's sayings without even casting a doubt is because it fits peoples fanboy propaganda.
AnimeTheme said:The only reason people firmly believe Matt's sayings without even casting a doubt is because it fits peoples fanboy propaganda.
AnimeTheme said:Let's just accept that Wii SW > 360 SW as Matt himself said so and donny2112 confirmed it with facts. But exactly how much is Wii SW outselling? We do NOT know at this point. And let's NOT try to think about getting the "official" number by simply extrapolating the 10:1 thing, because we do NOT exactly know how he calculated it or if it is really accurate at all.
The only reason people firmly believe Matt's sayings without even casting a doubt is because it fits peoples fanboy propaganda.
I was making shit up like I usually do. Did you know though that Godfather: Blackhand Edition has sold 500,000 units worldwide?Captain Smoker said:Is this a Top10 for December or LTD Top10?