dirtmonkey37
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Gazunta said:
You work for Krome; aren't these numbers given to you guys?
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NPD Sales Results for December 2007
- Thread starter sonycowboy
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You work for Krome; aren't these numbers given to you guys?
frAntic_Frog
Member
whats ratchet ps3 numbers for dec and ltd?
any psp sales numbers too?
any psp sales numbers too?
dirtmonkey37
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chespace said:
I support this post. Call me a troll, but some people need to de-tint their goggles and look at things straight: unless by the power of divine intervention of some sort, there are not enough steroids in this industry to propell the PS3s sales beyond the 360s.
Third-party PS3 will never trump third-party 360.
However, I own a PS3 and I'm enjoying it moderately. If Sony can somehow generate the funds, maintain the console's solid performance, and continue to release quality titles, it won't matter how well it sells.
frAntic_Frog said:
I second that.
Raist said:
I'm not so sure about that. Look at November's NPD figures for Wii games like High School Musical: Sing It, Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga, etc. These aren't considered major at all, but in November, both games sold over 200,000 (meaning they performed far better than Uncharted even, and about half as good as Rock Band). Both could have easily seen just as big as an increase in sales in December as something like Mario and Sonic at the Olympics had. Don't underestimate the selling power of these types of games at holiday time.
frAntic_Frog
Member
i thought third party support for ps3 and 360 was 1:1 so far....nearly every 360 version gets a ps3 version as well? after all third party wants to "maximize userbase".....as fanboys like to say when trashing certain games that remain PS3 exclusive (mgs4/ff13)
Raist said:
:lol
And you know this because you have full access to the NPD listing?
If you do, I'd love to talk, by the way. 
Raist said:
GameCube had this knack for selling poorly all year and then having a larger than normal proportional increase in November/December. Why is it then out of the realm of possibility that the Wii sold ~10 games for every console sold in December?
Raist said:
Nothing earth-shattering, but if your monthly tie ratio is > your LTD tie ratio as of the previous month, your LTD tie ratio will go up. If it's less, your LTD tie ratio will go down.
From earlier in the thread (maybe you already saw them), I know there not platform specific but:donny2112 said::lol
I'd love to see software sales for LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga, High School Musical, Madden 08, DDR: Hottest Party, My Sims, and Rayman 2. Since we don't have them, I guess that means they didn't sell that well in the month.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Any chance we can get an LTD for:
Bioshock
Metroid Prime 3
Virtua Fighter 5 online
Ace Combat 6
Orange Box
Heavenly Sword
Blue Dragon
Gears of War
Bioshock
Metroid Prime 3
Virtua Fighter 5 online
Ace Combat 6
Orange Box
Heavenly Sword
Blue Dragon
Gears of War
ComputerNerd
Banned
Weisheit said:
what version of madden is that?
bishopcruz
Member
MySims (404k units)
Anyone know what the breakdown was for Wii/DS last month, so we could at least get a rough percentage to go by?
Edit: Also forgot to ask, aren't Madden Wii sales considered really damn crappy?
Anyone know what the breakdown was for Wii/DS last month, so we could at least get a rough percentage to go by?
Edit: Also forgot to ask, aren't Madden Wii sales considered really damn crappy?
bishopcruz said:
They are considered crappy compared to the PS2/360 but still greatly improved from the GameCube.
Also, did anyone else notice that it was the PS2 version of Madden that made the Top 10 for the year and not the 360 version? 360 games tend to fade rapidly. Flavor of the month and all that jazz. It's a sign of a more hardcore userbase that buys games early instead of late.
Edit:
Lobster said:
It had a larger launch month compared to any of the GameCube Maddens, and most of those had > 100K in December of their release years. Therefore, Madden 08 Wii was most likely one of the games > 100K in December.
bishopcruz
Member
Lobster said:
If it only sold 200k LTD by November that's pretty bad considering that it came out in what? August? I remember it debuting at less than the Xbox 1 version. I have trouble imagining it doing all that well this December.
Lobster said:
It's also a matter of the user base being a shit-ton larger than the 360. Early in a system's life, at least until mass-market adoption it's harder for games to have legs because they are selling to a limited number of people. The PS3 is like what 40 mil in the US? That is a ton of customers.
Raist said:
It's Christmas. Wii owners tend to be families. What is so hard to believe? I know this fucks with people's market narratives, but look at it this way, 360 owners are hardcore enthusiast gamers who buy games as soon as they come out, Wii owners are casual gamers who probably get the majority of their games around holiday + sales events. GameCube always got HW/SW spikes in December right? Well now the Wii userbase is catching up to 360s to the point that it isn't outlandish for it to outsell that console at least in December.
Just wait until Wii's userbase overtakes the 360s to the point it outsells them every month, even if 360 has one or two tentpole releases in the top ten every month.
On the whole "13.5m games for Wii in December" thing, there were quite a few people buying games and accessories for the machine even though they did not own one yet. You also have to take into account grandparents buying their grandchildren things in addition to what their parents already bought.
There were a lot of games sold. So much so that the Wii section in our store had to be shortened down because of all the gaps in the wall. And lots of shitty accessories moved too (especially the nerf sports pack thing). It's just extremely popular.
There were a lot of games sold. So much so that the Wii section in our store had to be shortened down because of all the gaps in the wall. And lots of shitty accessories moved too (especially the nerf sports pack thing). It's just extremely popular.
Madden 08 has actually pushed about 300K including November sales.Lobster said:
most new wii games are only 39.99t 49.99. there are about 7 million Wii owners in the US. why is it so hard to believe that on avg, each wii owner purchased 2 games? im sure many wii owners were satisfied wit wii sports only,while some may have bought 1 additional game,and some may have bought 3-4 additional games. its not that hard to believe.
Spiegel said:
Oh shit I didn't know that was for the month 0_o I thought it was LTDs. Dam that just makes MySims even more impressive!
Chumly said:
Awesome
DrGAKMAN said:
Yes. 10 games to each console in December isn't that insane imo..there are now over 7 million Wiis in NA. Everyone would just have had to pick up 1.5 games.
Flakster99
Member
Lobster said:
Precisely.
Lobster said:
Well obviously that's not the case! However, it seems people still think a 10:1 tie ratio for the month of December is not likely 'cos I think the mantra is: "3RD party games don't sell on Nintendo systems" and this stat just destroys that notion.
Is it denial...or...FEAR?
for my part, it's not the number that i question, it's the position. 13.5 million pieces of software or 135 million, it's irrelevant. it's the idea that after months and months of 360 dominating software charts, that wii could come out of nowhere to take december, well, it rings a few mental alarms. if it is indeed true, then wow. good stuff. and it's about time wii owners were heard on the software side.
Flakster99
Member
Odysseus said:
I think the hardcore gaming segment, including Microsoft NPD statements have done a wonderful job skewing software perception in regards to the Wii.
Also previously mentioned, Nintendo tends to have successful 4th quarter software numbers, factor in a varied casual/core release list, outselling it's main competition 11/12 months of the yr, why not?
"Dominating" is a product of MS' PR machine and not a result of seeing the actual data. MS has always been quick to adjust the standards to make themselves look great (which all PR usually do). In the spring and early summer of last year, when Super Paper Mario and Mario Party 8 were the big games, MS heavily pushed how dominating their third party sales were (this is the time-frame when we first starting hear how no third party games on the rival console had made it into the top 10). August and September were obviously very good months for the system and MS was quick to boast how they made up a majority of next-gen sales. However, in November their PR switched a little, no longer claiming a majority, but just being #1. The Wii was already moving up on the 360 in November and that continued through December.Odysseus said:
Looking at just the Top 3 for each system in each month the Wii moves from 2.1 million (November) to 3 million (December) in sales, while the 360 goes from 3 million (November) to 3.1 million (December). That's a huge jump in the Wii's favor that isn't seen on the 360. If the Wii saw a similar boosts in the rest of its software sales, there shouldn't be too much doubt that it could have beaten the 360.
AnimeTheme
Member
Lobster said:
It's roughly 2 games/console, NOT just 1.5. That's a huge difference.
Simply stating the "monthly" tie-ratio, especially when it is so much higher than the LTD tie-ratio, is just not enough to make everyone believe without the support of other stats. After all, the "monthly tie-ratio" term itself makes little to no sense at all other than for spinning purpose, since it does not really mean those softwares were all bought by those new buyers of that month
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
DrGAKMAN said:
1. WiiSports
2. WiiPlay
3. Super Mario Galaxy
4. Metroid Prime 3
5. Legend of Zelda: Twighlight Princess
6. Big Brain Academy
7. WarioWare
8. ExciteTruck
9. Super Mario Strikers
and I guess #10 can be Carnival Games.
Seriously people need to stop being so god dam dense. As Donny has already stated its useful to know the monthly tie ratio to know whether or not the overall ratio is going up. Matt used it to give us an idea on how much Wii software was sold. I believe NPD got upset at him for spilling the beans on so much data last month so this month he only gave us a tidbit of information which was very useful.AnimeTheme said:
The only reason its not believable is because it doesnt fit peoples fanboy propaganda.
vanguardian1
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AlternativeUlster said:
I think we can be sure that many of those 1st party games aren't doing THAT well now.....