TheDuskwalker
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It's even marked in the TC's post that Fifa and Overwatch are the only 2 on the list that don't include digital PC sales....
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Codes 208
Member
I didnt expect sod2 to sell that well.
Iirc thats only if the game is bought digitally on xbox.
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LuvOfThaGame
Banned
You wished it bombed. It did not. Neither did SoD2. I'm sure you and TLW are in some serious pain. It's kinda obvious. Let. It.Go. All brands doing well is great for us, the gamers. That's what counts.
demigod
Member
Did i say SoD2 bombed? Nope. SoT did bomb but you can keep believing it didn’t.
flashfire926
Member
It was your claim that the game is under a mil...I didn't claim anything. Still waiting for that proof....
And okay so? Not being in the top ten doesnt mean it cant be a success.
Detroit Become Human isnt in the top 10 either, but it was successful, as well.
flashfire926
Member
There is a lot of evidence that SOT didnt bomb.
https://venturebeat.com/2018/04/24/...5-debuts-as-the-top-selling-game-of-the-year/
“Sea of Thieves generated the highest launch month sales for any title produced by developer Rare since tracking by The NPD Group began in 1995.”
https://www.videogamer.com/news/tur...sold-a-lot-better-than-microsoft-had-forecast
'On those two games (Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2), we sold more copies of those games than we expected,' the executive said. 'The same thing was true of State of Decay.'
Skip to 00:06. 4 million players.
Still waiting on that solid proof SoT bombing.
flashfire926
Member
yes. That's exactly why Recore, Halo Wars 2, and Super Lucky's Tale sold like gangbusters.
demigod
Member
You’re the one that claimed it being a sales hit. You want proof? It dropped like a rock after the first month. It got beaten by MLB The Show in April and May. For a triple A game in development for 4 years and not even close to 1 mil is not a hit. Rare is not cheap. The game has no legs. It didn’t do so hot in UK after its first week. Go look up chartz and thats the best numbers you will get, nowhere close to 1mil. Now you give me facts where you think it sold over 1mil?
flashfire926
Member
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/npd-sales-results-may-2018.1463262/page-2#post-253310747
edit: vgchartz doesnt count PC or Xbox digital. And even if it did, it is not a reliable source.
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demigod
Member
I got bridges to sell to you.
Edit : How about stop spouting wrong info and calling someone else wrong when you were in fact wrong about the digital PC sales.
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Calibos
Member
Or, you could just admit that you’re wrong?
SoT had 4 million people playing their game. They stated this on stage at E3. It’s in game pass so it has legs from that.
Looking at your post history against all things MS related...
Keep fighting the good fight there Slugger.
demigod
Member
Nah dude don’t worry, im not wrong. You keep fighting on though!
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Mochilador
Member
Glad that State of Decay 2 is selling well.
It's a cool game.
It's a cool game.
hiphopcr
Member
At E3 Phil said that Sea of Thieves sold substantially better than internal projections and that games in Game Pass somehow sell more than general...
... don't get it either
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Yeah, I don't believe that. Maybe people using GP trials to demo software could have some merit in that scenario, but with how bad these two games were/are I don't see it. Let's be real here, there is no way MS would know if a game sold better because of Gamepass or not, there are just no logical metrics to compare.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Subscriptions in general for any medium shows they engage a customer substantially more. They buy more because they are more engaged.
Doesn't seem that far fetched to me it's getting people to spend more.
hiphopcr
Member
Yeah screw that. Metacritic warriors aside, and this seems to be lost in this generation, but multiplayer games are fun, and millions of people are playing these games together while making new friends.
Dural
Member
Wait a second, so you think MS is releasing their games on Windows so they can win NPD? WTF, are you dilusional?
flashfire926
Member
SHOW ME PROOF OF IT BOMBING, FFS. IF YOU DONT HAVE ANY PROOF, PLEASE DON'T MAKE FALSE, MISLEADING STATEMENTS. PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
Okay, lets see the UK.
March 26th- #1
April 2nd- #3
April 9th- #3
April 16th- #6
So no, it did well even after it's first week. Still waiting for you proof.
I gave you four different sources, and what did you give me? Nada.
thelastword
Banned
I'm aware that NPD lists are revenue based now, I think I've made that known in prior NPD threads myself. I'm pretty sure I also said in the April NPD thread, that MS now counts the windows store and the Xbox as one platform. SOT sales at the April NPD was a combination of windows store+xbox, the same applies here with SOD2 and any future XBOX game. It's a strategy of MS now to converge those platforms as one and eventually windows Phone and any other device MS develops in the future will likely shoe into that strategy of one MS platform across several devices. This means that if they have a huge hit, it will be a combination of several devices, so an advantage to MS in that regard. Reporting on engagement numbers, which is their approach now will also be higher due to more persons firing bullets on several platforms or zombies killed et al......If you don't believe, try to tweet Mat Piscatella of the NPD group on what I've just explained......He made that clarification very clear in April's NPD, or perhaps you guys should just read around and stay informed, nobody is trying to misrepresent MS here....
The worse thing about a poster like you is that you try to convince others that you are not a warrior, when this whole post is just dyed in the wool.... Do you have an argument? At this point, we don't even know what SOD2 sold, a poster was trying to impress on us that SOD2 beat GOW as if this was GOW's debut month, but the truth is, this is GOW's second month at the NPD and SOD2's first. These are facts....It was also a slow month relative to new releases. Do you know by how much SOD2 beat GOW in it's second month? You don't, nobody is arguing SOD2 came first, but you can't go with the narrative that SOD2 is this huge hit when it's not even cracking this year's best sellers. GOW made the best sellers list on debut month (April), it was just below Monster Hunter, but now (in May) it's second on the list ahead of MH and behind only FC5, a multiplatform game on several platforms btw....Now that's progression, that's a sales juggernaut, that's impressive. It is clear then, that SOD2 is not the sales phenomenon that some think it is or try to declare, it's probably not close to being a million seller in NA and neither is SOT, as they've not made the best sellers list this year....So there's no sales juggernaut here....but yes, it performed well enough to hit number 1, which is still commendable, but don't blow it out of proportion...
So, let's say GOW sold 300,000 units and SOD2 sold 620,000 units @ $30, it's a win for SOD2 and that's fair, but SOD2 is still across a two prong platform, so still an advantage for MS there, even in GOW's second month. People also have to understand that XBOX players have a thirst for games, because there's not so many high quality games coming their way, they will play whatever MS offers or nothing at all, so it's understandable. The truth is, whilst GOW is going up to 3 million units in NA alone, it has hit the best sellers list since debut and it's doing so on console only without the PC platform attached....
FYI, the only exclusives that has made the best sellers list are GOW, MLB the Show and Mario Kart, which is quite impressive in the sea of multiplat juggernauts like GTA, FC5 et al......Not even Detroit is on that list....but like SOT which some people felt did amazing, and millions are having fun and engaging in, we will see the legs come next NPD for SOD2 and see if the same thing that befell SOT does not happen here....
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flashfire926
Member
My bad I got that wrong. Windows sales ARE counted. Thanks for correcting me.
And....are you sure about that last part? Be completely honest.
flashfire926
Member
The worse thing about a poster like you is that you try to convince others that you are not a warrior said:
That is false. There are many great games on Xbox. Its not the desert you're trying to paint.
If you were right, Halo wars, quantum break, and recore wouldn't bomb. Please stop with this weak narrative.
demigod
Member
lol, why don't you show us those UK numbers to see how well it did. Those numbers aren't even over 150k. Just because a game is #1 in chart in the first month doesn't mean its a hit. I'm still waiting for your proof it sold over 1mil buddy.
flashfire926
Member
GFK chart track is only physical sales, so this isnt the full picture.
LET me repeat myself.
I have several sources that peg Sea of Thieves as a success. You have yet to give me a single source that isn't your false narrative.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Pick a metric of "success" and just point to the sales numbers from MS.
Oh wait, MS is not telling and no one is ever going to agree on what "success" is.
I think SoT was a dud, but there is no hard evidence. We don't know how much they spent to make it or what MS's expectation were.
Oh wait, MS is not telling and no one is ever going to agree on what "success" is.
I think SoT was a dud, but there is no hard evidence. We don't know how much they spent to make it or what MS's expectation were.
Mochilador
Member
Phil said in a interview with Jeff that SoT sold above the expectations.
Here is the exact part of the interview where he says that:
Calibos
Member
I just wanted to see another pretentious wall of dribble from you to be honest. You and a couple others are ruining this forum and everyone knows it. You are the only true warrior here. Slugging away for Sony every chance you get everywhere. Derailing every thread that says anything positive about MS or Xbox.
Go for it slugger. Hit those threads with all your brainy power to spin. Get some!
I can’t hit the “ignore” on you just because you have become such a great sitcom to watch. Keep calm and slug on.
WaterAstro
Member
Microsoft said the same thing about Sunset Overdrive, so why aren't they interested in the next one?
Companies will always throw out the "exceed expectations" spin even when the game has done badly. It's meaningless until they give out the numbers.
that's impressive, just saw the presentation video showing dollar sales too.
VAL0R
Banned
Where did MS say SO outsold expectations?
thelastword
Banned
It's also too early to assume such, "that GP actually quickens sales", that's impossible when Gamepass is such a new service. We have no idea how many subs there are. So it's most likely that XBOX players needed a game to play and SOD2 fits within the tastes of the fanbase, which also happen to love online games with shooting mechanics....hey it has zombies, even better. Didn't MS get some exclusivity for DR3 because their fanbase loved zombies.....
In any case, 30+ million Xbox-One owners are more than enough to purchase just over 600k of SOD2 at $30.00 with no push from gamepass. I mean if you have gamepass, why buy the game, you can play it to your heart's content and when it hits $5 in a few weeks/months you can always buy it if you want. Why buy gamepass and the new titles on gamepass? Now I know some super xbox fan may just do that, but to call this the norm is just outrageous and way out of left field.....
At this point gamepass subs may not even be at 1 million, we don't know, with how things could fluctuate with all those 14 day trials and 1 month of GP for $1 deals.....Gamepass needs much more time to be evaluated....MS has not even given a number on how succcessful it is, nor will they, but they may give some lip service without any reference point or quantifier, which is what they are doing here with saying "GP is driving sales"......
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WaterAstro
Member
Hmm I can't find it. I swear I saw an article about it searching up Sunset Overdrive sales not too long ago. I might have mixed it up with Quantum Break, which they did say it sold really well (https://www.gamespot.com/articles/quantum-break-sold-really-well-beat-microsofts-exp/1100-6443009/), but, of course, they parted ways with Remedy after which shows it didn't do well. Microsoft didn't say anything about Sunset Overdrive sales, so I think I was thinking about Quantum Break.
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
In the wise words of MJ. Stop it. Get some help.
thelastword
Banned
Pretty much the same thing happened to Sunset Overdrive, it was bundled, but it looks like it did even worse than QB, since QB was declared as MS's highest selling new IP and it exceeded expectations, but it's obvious that those expectations were super-low or just PR because it was definitely not lucrative for Remedy or MS.
I mean look at this, Remedy left MS and showed their new game on Sony's show. Scalebound got cancelled and that relationship with MS and Platinum are at tatters. Insomniac develops Sunset Overdrive and insists on retaining their IP, it does not do as well as MS anticipates, so last year Insomniac was looking for a Publisher to do SO2, when asked why not MS? Ted Price says, ask MS.....You see the trend, MS seems to have a very bad way of dealing with affiliates, so many broken bridges and deals turning sour. On the flip, Insomniac and Quantic Dream have had a positive and budding relationship for years upon years with Sony. I remember when Insomniac said they wanted to do third party stuff after Resistance 3, Sony had no hard feelings, it's Ted's company afterall. He played in the waters, he did Fuse, he did SO for MS, they did some VR stuff and some smaller games and now they're back with SONY doing the biggest hero game they've ever made, so nothing was ruptured between Sony and Insomniac. Can't say the same for MS, so it's these things that makes me wonder, if the issues first parties or affiliates are having putting better work out is the result of some deeper rooted issues at MS internally. They have had some really subpar releases lately, MCC was a big blunder early in the gen, whoever is overseeing these studios is just not doing a good job of getting the best from these guys.
Perhaps another reason MS cannot get top tier studios or even better talent. Alot of studios were bought and closed by MS with very little or great output....
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FranXico
Member
thelastword
the same can be said of Sony with regards to Ready At Dawn, or even worse, Housemarque.Sometimes, it just doesn't work and partnerships end.
thelastword
Banned
I'm not saying that things can't not work out, just pointing out there are deeper rooted issues internally which does not foster good relationships or better output at MS and there's a long trail to suggest such.
Sometimes, it just doesn't work and partnerships end.
On the other hand, Housemarque had many successes with SONY and so has RAD early on, so much so that Sony gave RAD 20 million to develop 1886.....I'm still not sure that SONY is done with RAD, I think they are working on a big project atm, and I would not be surprised if they are working on something for SONY (maybe for PS5). As for Housemarque, Nex Machina was a highly rated game that just didn't sell well and it's unfortunate, but I don't believe it was because of a strained relationship with Sony or Sony pushing them too much where they released bad unpolished games, all their games are great and highly scored, but perhaps the market is just not consuming their type of titles as much these days.....Sony tried to help this gen by offering their games on Plus to boost awareness and a playerbase to their titles but that was not enough, so they are changing course after NEX Machina, which is understandable because a business is set to sustain itself and make a profit.......
If you trace some of the studios MS closed though, some of them never developed anything close to the quality of Housemarque, neither did the sales follow either...Yet, I just want to point out that Housemarque is not closed, they're just delving into more popular genres or a genre, so they won't be making the typical housemarque game next. Hopefully Sony gives them a budget to do something neat and greenlight their next pitch, because they are a quality studio......Hope great sales follow their next game, whatever they choose to delve into, I know I did my part on all their prior titles.....
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WaterAstro
Member
Sure, but the point being is that Sony doesn't lie about "exceeding expectations".
Sometimes, it just doesn't work and partnerships end.
Sea of Thieves "exceeding expectations" and all its PR bullcrap could very well mean the studio will close down. That's just how Microsoft works. Their PR could talk positively about something, then it's gone the next moment.
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
Nemesis Prime
Member
Absolutely meaningless thing to say because regardless if this was the most sold game of the year or not MS doesn't disclose sales numbers. It's in their best interest to either disclose sales numbers for all games or no games, doing an in-between doesn't work.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Why are you in gaming forum if you hate gaming?
Goalus
Member
The "God of Legs" was demolished bei State of Decay 2 even though the latter is only $30 and NPD is a revenue chart.
It doesn't suprise me that this ruined certain people's week-end who are now desperately trying to regain control over their salt levels by shitting up this thread. Does it help? Who knows, but if you're among these people, then you have a long era of grief ahead of you because Xbox will only become stronger from now on.
It doesn't suprise me that this ruined certain people's week-end who are now desperately trying to regain control over their salt levels by shitting up this thread. Does it help? Who knows, but if you're among these people, then you have a long era of grief ahead of you because Xbox will only become stronger from now on.
FranXico
Member
These last 5 years must have been so hard on you. But it was worth it, wasn't it? "Xbox will only become stronger from now on".
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
7.5 million?!?! That's crazy high.