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One million on Xbox Live
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Jesiatha said:
You know Sony tried this same line talking about how the amount of people playing SOCOM and such were actually affecting the ratings that shows get during the week because they are competing for the folks.
I didn't buy when they said it then and I don't buy it now.... you can have a TV in alot more places in this country than you can have broadband service.
EDIT: Yes Be... but I'm just thinking out loud in terms of why choose those... there has to be more than it took longer... I mean HBO or AOL? Who would use a comparison against services that debuted oh so long ago as a comparison to something that has only debuted recently? Again I simply don't see the logic in it.... great numbers... weird comparison.
Why not compare it to Sony's own PR released numbers?
Sure, but weren't all those services initially restricted to one market (at least HBO & AOL) while XBox Live launched in some 24 nations within a year? The comparison just seems a bit off, especially considering release timeframes (how old is HBO exactly) and intended markets... tivo seems like the only real close comparison.BeOnEdge said:
DarienA said:
The difference is that MS isn't comparing the current usage of TV and of Live. They're saying that Live is growing faster than those services did. A year and a half into the existence of HBO, it probably didn't have much effect on network viewer numbers.
I think most people would agree that video games as a whole are having an effect on TV viewership. If Live continues to grow faster than HBO, it will be taking a sizable chunk out of TV audiences, the way that HBO does now.
Jesiatha said:
Aol launched in what...89?
HBO launched in what... 72?
At least TIVO launched in 99.
Me... just me...I simply can't see the logic in comparing yourself to a service that launched in such different times.... and Be stop being a f'n baby... nobody said the numbers the released aren't impressive... they are... I just think the comparisons are weird ones. I would have thought they'd take this opp to compare themselves to competition right in the VG industry.
jarrod said:
Cable would have been a valid comparison in my mind. I have no idea why they didn't.
DarienA said:
How many similar services are there? Gamespy seems to me like it might be the closest - and I have no idea what their numbers are.
Also, it may be that this press release is targeted to a wider audience, so they compared to high profile services. AOL, HBO, and TIVO mean a lot more to Joe Businessman or Jane Consumer than Gamespy, Battle.Net, and EA online.
Nokia sold 1 million N-Gages. SNK sold 2 million NGPCs. Apple sold 3 million iPods. Sure it's a decent milestone on it's own, my response however was in regard to Iwata's view on exactly how important online is currently to the entire marlket at large (which is not very). Looking at the raw numbers, I think he's justified.jedimike said:
I'd actually like to know the numbers of GB Players, GBA/GC Link Cables and GCN BBA/Modems sold though too. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say maybe (worldwide) 1 million GBPs, 1.5 million Link Cables (NCL keeps bundling them with major releases like FFCC) and 300k BBA/Modems combined. And those estimates are pretty conservative.
I think the comparisons to other subscription services makes sense except for one thing. Xbox Live costs about $4 a month while Tivo, AOL, and HBO are much more expensive. Tivo's adoption rate is considered a pretty big failure too among the electronics industry, so beating Tivo doesn't sound that impressive. There isn't another online gaming subscription service that I know of so I don't know who they could really compare to anyway.
Halo 2 is going to be Xbox Live's "subscription seller" so it will be interesting to see what the Xbox Live numbers look like after that game comes out. Right now Rainbow Six 3 is the biggest attraction to Xbox Live.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/liv...ivehome&level2=topgames&level3=top25gameslist
Halo 2 is going to be Xbox Live's "subscription seller" so it will be interesting to see what the Xbox Live numbers look like after that game comes out. Right now Rainbow Six 3 is the biggest attraction to Xbox Live.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/liv...ivehome&level2=topgames&level3=top25gameslist
DarienA said:
stop crying.
and as far as the price for subscription, if has nothing to do with price. the comparison is that they are leisure subscriptions. as i said earlier, they are luxury services. doesnt matter when they launched or how much they cost. they are items people buy with their extra money for entertainment.
I've already sent MS $100 for Xbox Live! I'll send another $50 in January when my subscription runs up. Xbox Live! is a great service. Nintendo needs something similar to get some interest in online presence with their franchises. Sony does too but it seems like they are finally working on that.
I'm sure it'll be quick and painless to transfer my Xbox Live! account over to Xbox 2. The future, what it is all about!
I'm sure it'll be quick and painless to transfer my Xbox Live! account over to Xbox 2. The future, what it is all about!
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Regardless of any number fudging, which happens on anything with a number (sales, subscriptions, etc.), this is great news. It means that console online gaming is warming up nicely. Next gen, online gaming should be a hell of a lot more mainstream...which means, more online games and more diversity, in people and game-types, in them.
Suikoguy
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isamu said:
I predict you will be completly wrong.
Maybe 250,000 new accounts through the fall.
Unless they count resignups as accounts... lmao, and I would not put it past them.
Then again its all speculation.
BTW, How many free years did they give away anyway?
Daxter Too
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BeOnEdge said:
Exactly, what a crybaby.
Meier said:
None... at the end of December XBL subscribers were over 750K. Robbie Bach specifically pointed out that that didn't include free trials... only current paying subscribers.
At E3, at the MS press conference they said they had over a million XBL users (not subscribers)...
I just noticed this:
Vote Nintendo 3rd Party 2008!
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Not 2004?
I guess even a hater has to face reality at some piont.
As for the numbers, like Twain said there are lies and then there are statistics. As for MS and XBox Live, I don't really care enough to believe them or disbelieve them, but if the numbers are as straight forward as they claim, then they've done great. Course, some will ballyhoo this to the point that you'd think the 1 million online gamers (plus however many are on Sony online, etc.) are more important than the 75+ million, etc. who aren't online, but that hyperbole doesn't take away from MS' achievement.
Vote Nintendo 3rd Party 2008!
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Not 2004?
I guess even a hater has to face reality at some piont.
As for the numbers, like Twain said there are lies and then there are statistics. As for MS and XBox Live, I don't really care enough to believe them or disbelieve them, but if the numbers are as straight forward as they claim, then they've done great. Course, some will ballyhoo this to the point that you'd think the 1 million online gamers (plus however many are on Sony online, etc.) are more important than the 75+ million, etc. who aren't online, but that hyperbole doesn't take away from MS' achievement.
BeOnEdge said:
WTF? That's an incredible leap... normally I'd say leap of logic... but there's quite simply no way someone could try to justify that dumb statement by saying logic was involved... oh and Daxter? Go back to hating on GTA at least those threads were funny.
XboxGamers
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Only On Xbox! hehe!
Bluemercury
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DJ Demon J said:
Well it seems only the more "true gamers" seems to want to pay for online games, 1 million out of what 16/17 million of xbox owners, thats hardly anything.....
Bluemercury
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Considering that were talking about a service that costs too much money to MS and not a game, that's hardly a big sucess, i mean if we were talking about a game then 1 million would be very good but you cant compare the costs of a constant online service as advanced as Live to the costs of developing a game.....and i really doubt that the other 15/16 million xbox users dont have a pc connected to the internet.....in the end you need to have profit, and talking exclusively about LIVE i think its the kind of profit they're making with the xbox...so 1 million LIVE might sound good on paper but in reality i say there's more pple playing CS for free, and it will be this type of online solutions that will end up to prevail, free online games with no fees or contracts to be signed.......that's why pc will probably will stay in the front for a decent amount of time regarding online games....
DJ Demon J
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Bluemercury said:
Last I checked, a person who goes into a STORE to BUY an Xbox Live kit is a consumer. Let's go to www.dictionary.com, shall we? *whistles cheerily*
con·sum·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-smr)
n.
1. One that consumes, especially one that acquires goods or services for direct use or ownership rather than for resale or use in production and manufacturing.
2. A heterotrophic organism that ingests other organisms or organic matter in a food chain.
OK, I think we can agree that it's not #2. So that leaves #1, yay!
1 million people on XBL and 3+ million PS2 NAs, 4+ million users out of a what, 40 or so million unit home console install base? 10% of the market is more than just "true gamers.'
But of course almighty Nintendo and Iwata MUST be correct, right?
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