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Path of Exile 2 - THE Game to Save Gaming
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drotahorror
Member
That website is pure garbage too. I remember in it's infancy it was pretty good, now...naw.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Mainly he creates the skeleton at hyper speed so it gets the algorithm to pick up his dog shit wiki first when people google search. This in turn lets him link ads, links to his content, imbed his stream, etc to make money.
Then the actual players and community are forced to update that wiki as that’s where the traffic goes. Thus funneling him more revenue for no actual contribution.
Long video , and Quin is a retard, but this goes into a lot of why GGG giving fextralife any access early is a dip shit move by them. GGG even said no guide content in the nda and there’s multiple showcases in this video where he has “guides” ready for December 6th. He even had them up before being forced to pull them down. This guy is a scumbag leech.
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Pegasus Actual
Member
Went ahead and picked up the Early Access since why not, only $30.
I don't know anything about Fextralife but I don't understand the rage in response to video game leaks. Seems like the world's smallest problem.
I don't know anything about Fextralife but I don't understand the rage in response to video game leaks. Seems like the world's smallest problem.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Would you agree that it's important to the playerbase to experience the enjoyment of discovery and theory crafting as a community on their own?
Pegasus Actual
Member
"As a community on their own" -- kind of a contradiction, so nope. Wouldn't agree.
I'll be able to discover and theory craft on my own at launch... and if I get frustrated or whatever I can look up meta builds.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Not a contradiction. If a select few have early access and figure out the endgame and widely publicize all the info, data, meta, guides, and other such spoilers, then the community isn't doing it on their own.
That's also perfectly fine to do as well, if you're playing solo and not interacting with the community at large. However, if a significant portion of the player based derives enjoyment from deriving their own builds, sharing them, and comparing them to see whose is better, you can see how this aspect of the game is diminished if others have a head start and a widely publicized platform to spread their information.
LegendOfKage
Member
I think they should firmly request that the channel remove the guides from their website, but other than that I don't see this being all that different than giving a key to IGN or whatever. All of these channels will have guides, and there is no way in the world this one channel is going to be able to find the best builds for even one class, much less all of them. Not to mention all the rare drops that will have to be used in a certain way with a certain build that probably won't even be apparent for weeks if not months.
Because of all this, I don't see this being much of an issue. If this game has the sort of depth that the developers have talked about, one guy having a one or two week head start isn't going to come close to an entire community playing it and comparing notes.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
How much will early access cost anyway on Ps5? Anyone know?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Fextralife is different from IGN because IGN doesn't make in-depth guides and wikis for the game. Fextralife does. This basically amounts to spoilers since a lot of the playerbase for this type of game wants a fresh experience.
Of course the 3 month in meta won't be figured out, but there's still a lot of things that can be spoiled from the early game.
You're right about the magnitude of the difference one person can discover in a week vs thousands of players on launch day, however, that's magnitude isn't the point. All the things that one person can discover and publish in that relatively small amount of time is still enough to be considered spoilers for the early game. The path of discovery and reward isn't just at the end. It's also at the beginning, and middle too.
LegendOfKage
Member
$30, and you also get $30 worth of premium currency, which you should probably use to buy stash tabs after you've researched what to buy. No pre-order available, so you'll have to wait until Friday. Another thing to keep in mind is that PS5 micro transactions do not work on other platforms, and purchases made on other platforms don't carry over to PS5. Game is still cross play and cross save, though.
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Jormatar
Member
PoE community is one of the weirdest one out there, for sure. For example, I don't understand how come a game like Diablo 4 can live so rent free in their heads that literally half of the posts in their subreddit are people making some kind of connection to Diablo 4 when the topic itself has nothing to do with said game.
I mean it's funny to throw shades at D4 since it's far from perfect game but man we are approaching some kind of insane level of obsession here lol.
clarky
Gold Member
$30 is the lowest tier for access.
Heres the xbox page, the PS prices will be the same i'd think.
Buy Path of Exile 2 (Game Preview) | Xbox
This game is a work in progress. It may or may not change over time or release as a final product. Purchase only if you are comfortable with the current state of the unfinished game. Path of Exile 2 is a next generation free-to-play Action RPG.
www.xbox.com
Edit: Didn't see the response above.
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Pegasus Actual
Member
If one douche having a few weeks extra early access destroys your ability to create and share your own potential meta builds then the game surely wouldn't have that much depth to it to begin with. At which point it doesn't make much sense to 'discover' as a community as you can just do it yourself, just like this Fextralife guy. Nobody is forced to look at this guy's wiki site.
And I don't really buy the premise that this early access guy isn't 'part of the community' to begin with. If you're paying for 'early access' by definition the 'early access' portion of the community is a 'select few' who are getting access and figuring out the endgame of an unfinished game before the rest of the community who doesn't want to pay and/or doesn't want to play the unfinished game. Ultimately if Fextralife is ruining your community experience, you're doing the same thing to those people. Putting up builds and spoilers and wikis before the game is even 1.0. How uncouth!
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
No one is forced to look at the wiki, but that statement ignores the very nature of the internet and how users behave in aggregate within an interconnected network of people. It's not about ruining all the depth of the game, of course that's not going to happen. It's the fact that spoilers need to be avoided at all. You can't have a proper discussion as a community when part of it engages in spoilers and another part does not. That effectively splits the community, which is not good for generating hype.
By "community", I mean the aggregate of the playerbase as a group. One guy breaking NDA isn't it. And it's a false equivalence to compare that to the thousands of players (the community) who will play this at early access launch.
Pegasus Actual
Member
Unless you rip through all the content day one the 'community' is going to be full of effective spoilers anyway. Surely there's a subreddit with absurdly strict spoiler rules where you can have a nice experience. I've never played PoE so maybe I'm missing some context or something. But for now I think I'll just agree to disagree. Hopefully this NDA thing doesn't ultimately hurt your enjoyment too much.
Johnny Concrete
Member
Kinda sucks that the game is hyped af right now, because there's now a 99% chance the servers will buckle at launch time.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That's the point. Discovering things along with everyone else at the same time. Together. Emphasis on "together".
Having to self-censor oneself is the kind of negative experience that happens when spoilers leak. Having to electively cut oneself off from the rest of the community at large is a problem. Ideally, one should be trying to consume all of the pre-release content as possible and generating hype. Forcing oneself to not look at the main page of the PoE2 Reddit or unsubscribe from PoE2 content creators on YouTube is not hype at all and counterproductive for marketing purposes.
At the end of the day, this is just a video game. It's not a big deal. But I'm pointing out the reasons that people are upset, and that those reasons are real and logical (from a non-casual player point of view). It's fine if that doesn't impact your personal playstyle, but it will definitely impact others.
clarky
Gold Member
Just write off launch day and possibly launch weekend. I think this will do big numbers even in early access.
One glimmer of hope is they should have a rough idea of how many will be logging in as I'd expect the majority of those already got a key will show up launch day.
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Herbspiceguy
Member
We're here, finally, in the week where we can finally play one of the most anticipated ARPG's, that could very well be the pinnacle of the genre for many years to come.
No need to get distracted by petty drama and bullshit.
We can all decide for ourselves where we focus our attention, whether it's content creators, the community or meta builds, or to decide to stay away from all that noise, and enjoy going in blindly, off-meta, figuring out builds ourselves.
No need to get distracted by petty drama and bullshit.
We can all decide for ourselves where we focus our attention, whether it's content creators, the community or meta builds, or to decide to stay away from all that noise, and enjoy going in blindly, off-meta, figuring out builds ourselves.
Hot5pur
Member
I too don't get why people are upset about Fextra publishing a guide. It's not like you have to look at it. Personally I've been avoiding any more news or videos because I don't want to spoil EA for myself.
Then again ARPG players are weird, they look up and follow entire build guides. That's like trying to solve a crossword puzzle and looking up all the answers and just writing them in. I can understand looking up some hints or getting some ideas, but no, people want to have someone else figure out the game for them and just grind endgame looking for the final few build completing pieces while watching YouTube.
Luckily POE2 doesn't cater to the POE1 crowd anymore in that there is actual skill required now beyond just copy/pasta builds.
Then again ARPG players are weird, they look up and follow entire build guides. That's like trying to solve a crossword puzzle and looking up all the answers and just writing them in. I can understand looking up some hints or getting some ideas, but no, people want to have someone else figure out the game for them and just grind endgame looking for the final few build completing pieces while watching YouTube.
Luckily POE2 doesn't cater to the POE1 crowd anymore in that there is actual skill required now beyond just copy/pasta builds.
geary
Member
History showed us that almost all online games have problems with the server on launch, so the expectations should be lower dawn, but if any company should have a good launch is GGG...They basically have a new "release experience" every 3 months with PoE1 and in the last 2-3 they were pristine....
If we the server have issues, ok, no problem, i'll log in next week.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
If you don’t get it then watch the Quin video I posted.
-Fextra has an entire history of cheating for success. His view numbers on twitch were all confirmed to be boosted view bit shit by imbedding his stream into every page of his wiki in a small box way at the bottom. So if someone went to the wiki for an Elden ring map and left the tab open , they were artificially boosting his views.
Why does this matter? It creates false info to devs who decide who should get a sponsorship for game releases. They see a 30,000 view stream and think “oh pick him”, and it now kicks out one legit person who would’ve had that spot and those earnings. Mind you the dev is getting their money flushed down the toilet because the stream actually had 50-100 viewers actually there at best. It was massive boosting for years.
-Next up the Wikis. In the video it shows he may have shared his early access with others (against NDA, created guides (against NDA), and posted his video with minor spoilers. (Against NDA) The wiki guides will be fluff, but it’s a race to who posts them online first.
So his plan is lost dog shit wikis that are dog shit guides , so he’s at the top of the algorithm. This then has people who update wikis go update his for him,(happens with every single game he does this for), and get free labor. Why does this matter? He once again funnels people into the ads, other shit guides, etc content to give him money without actual work.
The guy is a leech.
GAF isn’t educated enough nor cares enough to learn about the storied history of this cunt. They just hear a low voice and a video that automatically pops up at the top of Google or YouTube, and it’s not a legit success story, but a hoax.
Ultimately GGG said this early access was going to traditional games media, aka IGN, to promote the game. Fextralife is NOT traditional games media.
This all around is a massive dumb move by someone at GGG who keeps giving this guy access to stuff, and they need to stop. They’ve been told in person about him and what he does, and yet he keeps getting checks for hack work all while ignoring NDA rules.
geary
Member
Actually Fextralife is a media outlet. Is own by a Chinese company. They are still idiots and developers should avoid them at all cost.
“What does Fextralife do? Fextralife, operated by Chinese company Kinbundo, is a video game media platform. The platform provides game related news, reviews, guides. Also has the forum for the discussion about games.”
“What does Fextralife do? Fextralife, operated by Chinese company Kinbundo, is a video game media platform. The platform provides game related news, reviews, guides. Also has the forum for the discussion about games.”
clarky
Gold Member
Aces High
Gold Member
Yes they all look cool.
Saw some Ranger footage where she flips over bosses and jumps around the map.
Then there was a video where the Sorceress conjured fire particles around her that she could fire like a machine gun on the enemy.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Wouldn't it be a lot nicer if you didn't have to exile yourself from consuming content to avoid spoilers? That's one of the reasons it's annoying.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Pop
Member
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Pegasus Actual
Member
Looks like our king has weighed in, haven't had a chance to watch beyond confirming it's about Fextralife:
But I'll check it out later.
But I'll check it out later.
Duellist
Member
Not sure if this has been posted yet but some info on pre loads and how to get packs on ps5. Looks like we can preload on the 5th.
www.pathofexile.com
Console Gameplay Discussion - NOTIFICATION/TRANSPARENCY LIKE STATED IN THE MANIFESTO COMMITMENTS - Forum - Path of Exile
Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.
www.pathofexile.com
mrqs
Member
I played lots of Diablo 3 and 4 with my girlfriend in couch co-op. 3 was pretty good! 4 was a bit dull.
Excited to try it out when it comes out in early access. Hopefully, it has more interesting skills than Diablo 4, as after just a short while, we were pretty underwhelmed by the skill variety, and the items that actually did something interesting with the gameplay were almost non-existent.
Excited to try it out when it comes out in early access. Hopefully, it has more interesting skills than Diablo 4, as after just a short while, we were pretty underwhelmed by the skill variety, and the items that actually did something interesting with the gameplay were almost non-existent.
RaptorGTA
Member
I am going to start Merch...but after playing some Ranger in POE1...and seeing how mobile she is in 2...I want to play her...
and then I see Witch gameplay..which I never have tried that sort of gameplay...and want to try that too...sooo many options,.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The game design suits many different styles of play. I think there's something for most types of gamers.
I think you will enjoy it. Skills and their modifiers can be swapped out. You can completely change your play style like swapping gear.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Cross platform when it officially launches. What was not pointed out is for EA, you have to purchase EA for each platform you want to play on. So I bought it on Steam. I will have to buy another EA for PS5. 
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DavidGzz
Member
When I go to the official site, it says I have purchased a key so even though I purchased on Steam, it seems I have access directly. I'll probably play that way most of the time so that they get 100% of my mtx monies. Also, I wonder if this means I will have access on Xbox without another purchase. I bet it won't be the case on PSN given what we know.
1pm on Friday is when the servers are supposed to go live(for me in central america time.)! I work night shift and I am off Friday night so I can wake up early and hopefully get in and play all day and night.
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ap_puff
Member
Pretty sure you don't have to buy a separate key for each platformCross platform when it officially launches. What was not pointed out is for EA, you have to purchase EA for each platform you want to play on. So I bought it on Steam. I will have to buy another EA for PS5.
clarky
Gold Member
You can link your accounts if you haven't done so already. If the steam preload doesn't go live ( doesn't look like it will) then my plan is download on the client play for a few days the switch over to steam at some point.
https://www.pathofexile.com/my-account/connections
Edit, i see you bought it on steam. Ignore this post, but might be helpful for others.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm not entirely sure about if the guilds we have in PoE 1 carry over to PoE2, but I'll make the NeoGAF guild, like I did in Diablo 4.