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[CLW]

The CRASH is coming and it’s coming HARD!

 

[Miles708]

i'm sorry but i'm out. Videogames had a good run, but this isn't fun anymore.
Will keep the memories and move on.

 

[Fake]

The hollow.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

 

[adamsapple]

 

[feynoob]

Eh....the upcoming showcase will probably suggest otherwise.

Sony is moving towards diversifying their business model.

PC ports
Gaas model
Subscription model
and now engagement model

The industry isnt growing that much, because it hit their ceiling. Covid gave the illusion of success. And now they are left with the reality of increasing their profits in other ways.

 

[feynoob]

Wait until after the upcoming showcase before proclaiming doom and gloom on single player games is all i'm saying

You dont need a showcase to see where the train is going.

 

[mansoor1980]

 

[Jaybe]

The actual quote from Sony seems more of an acknowledgment of playtime increasing around certain long lasting crossgen titles, which we know are Fortnite, Apex, etc

“The business model up to and including the PlayStation 3 was focused on increasing the number of software units sold in relation to newly sold hardware for each console generation,” said SIE chairman Hiroki Totoki. “After a transition period during the PS4 generation, the PS5 model has shifted to one where playtime on the platform has increased due to expansion of the user community beyond console generations.”

 

[NickFire]

So many words. When all they need to say is we want more micro transactions.

 

[crackajack]

As long it does not become like mobile games where it feels impossilbe to find anything worthwhile in the endless deserts of p2w garbage, I am fine with whales sponsoring my own playtime. If those gamers want to pay by the hour again like on slot machines, just for useless cosmetics and coins and lootboxes and all that shit, okay. I don't have to. So far.

 

[midnightAI]

You dont need a showcase to see where the train is going.

So thats a no, you arent waiting then is it?

 

[Felessan]

It's only natural
I would expect that Sony now get around half of it's gaming revenue from GAAS titles and it'll be even more at year end
And engagement is a core metric for GAAS as there are no real sales

 

[feynoob]

So thats a no, you arent waiting then is it?

I am oberserving their decisions these past years.
Someone who has been full SP games following gaas model? PC ports? worring about MAU? Making PSN account mandatory?

 

[Topher]

Sony is moving towards diversifying their business model.

PC ports
Gaas model
Subscription model
and now engagement model

The industry isnt growing that much, because it hit their ceiling. Covid gave the illusion of success. And now they are left with the reality of increasing their profits in other ways.

Diversifying doesn't mean abandoning single player games though.

 

[TheUsual]

Someone needs to Photoshop Phil's face with the Joker saying he's ahead of the curve.

 

[rm082e]

Given what happened to destiny this kind of shocks me.

Destiny just kind of sucks at being a GAAS. I tried playing it with friends for a while and I just never got any enjoyment out of it. Also the expansions being a year or more apart and costing $30 at launch just felt wrong. It's too much money for not enough content, and the game loop isn't satisfying enough to make them feel worth while. Bungie should have moved on from Destiny 2 several years ago and done a new IP, then come back to Destiny 3 a few years later once the player base had enough time to develop an apatite for it again.

As much as I don't like that Fortnite has become this black hole of money/time/interest in the industry, I've spent about 120 hours over the last few years playing with my Son who was way into it*. Their approach to the battlepass system makes a lot of sense. It only costs $8, and if you get to level 100 (40-ish hours of play?) they give you enough digital currency back that you have enough to pay for the next battlepass, plus a little extra to buy some stuff from the shop. It's true that you have to get the rewards from the battlepass during that season or you lose them. That can make it feel like a chore, but I'd argue the alternative of just leaving them available forever removes any sense of urgency to play, which makes it easier for players to fall off the game.

*I wouldn't have touched Fortnite if it wasn't a way for me to hang out with my kid.

 

[Topher]

Exactly. Clearly that is the key to success for Xbox.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

And just like that gaming as we know it will fade away

Nah. The Classics are still viable to fall back on. Make sure to make your backups folks!
By the time this industry knifes itself, I will be in a comfortable position to start working through my backlog.

 

[Topher]

And just like that AAA gaming as we know it will fade away

ftfy. I'm putting my faith into AA devs

 

[Hudo]

makes sense when you want to transition to live-service games.

 

[poppabk]

Imagine if movie theaters stopped caring about how many tickets they sold but how long people are watching the movie or going to see it again.

Sound stupid? Yes, because it’s stupid there and in games.

Sell good products without insane budgets. It’s just that simple.

Movie theaters literally care more about how much popcorn and soda is sold than tickets because that is where they make their money. You actually gave a great analogy for why game sales arr less important than engagement.

 

[M1chl]

No capitalism like gaming capitalism, now its not even enough to just buy our shit, you now has to devote all your time to our shit as well

 

[sankt-Antonio]

And there goes any hope I had left for Sony to learn from MS gamepass bs. Why would they want to compete in the race to the bottom against a three trillion dollar company that can just eat the losses for years on end? Meh.

 

[Kurotri]

ftfy. I'm putting my faith into AA devs

As long as games like Kingdom Come 2 exist I'm a happy camper. Sony and MS can race to the bottom all they want.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Sorry guys, I found this monkey’s paw and I wished that PlayStation would defeat Xbox once and for all.

 

[SmokedMeat]

When Phil speaks, Sony listens.

 

[midnightAI]

I am oberserving their decisions these past years.
Someone who has been full SP games following gaas model? PC ports? worring about MAU? Making PSN account mandatory?

And I only play single player games and don't see anything to worry about, whether that's first party or second party (I do play third party also but I'm talking about Sony games here)

Is it slow so far, yeh, but so was PS4, the heavy hitters came second half of the gen so I expect the same this gen and I can certainly wait a couple of weeks to find out some of them.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

And there goes any hope I had left for Sony to learn from MS gamepass bs. Why would they want to compete in the race to the bottom against a three trillion dollar company that can just eat the losses for years on end? Meh.

Interestingly enough, GAAS is what prevented GamePass from ever growing too large. Players having their "one game" means having access to hundreds is meaningless.

 

[Topher]

As long as games like Kingdom Come 2 exist I'm a happy camper. Sony and MS can race to the bottom all they want.

Yep. Was playing Dredge a couple of weeks ago and consciously asked myself "is this just as fun as a AAA game?" The answer was a resounding "yes"

 

[feynoob]

Diversifying doesn't mean abandoning single player games though.

The thing about mess is that you cant see it until its too late.

They will do their SP games, until the other sector makes too much money.

Hell divers 2 sold 12m. Now imagine that game with tons of mtx like cod.

 

[SmokSmog]

Sounds very engaging.

 

[mitch1971]

That sounds baaaaaad.

 

[ReyBrujo]

Like it or not *aaS is the future. Gaming is one of the last mass activities where you still install a software in your own computer, literally everything else is done via a browser nowadays.

 

[feynoob]

And I only play single player games and don't see anything to worry about, whether that's first party or second party (I do play third party also but I'm talking about Sony games here)

Is it slow so far, yeh, but so was PS4, the heavy hitters came second half of the gen so I expect the same this gen and I can certainly wait a couple of weeks to find out some of them.

I wonder what is the next phase is. Current franchise is getting old.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Yep. Was playing Dredge a couple of weeks ago and consciously asked myself "is this just as fun as a AAA game?" The answer was a resounding "yes"

Bet you still liked Starfield more you fucking **** ****** ***** ******

 

[SmokedMeat]

PS-Timetracker

Time tracking for all PlayStation games - Want to know how long it took you to finish your favorite game or complete that super hard platinum? Just add the bot as a friend on PSN to see your stats in detail.

ps-timetracker.com

GAAS is completely dominating PS5.

 

[Topher]

The thing about mess is that you cant see it until its too late.

They will do their SP games, until the other sector makes too much money.

Hell divers 2 sold 12m. Now imagine that game with tons of mtx like cod.

They *should* make SP games as long as SP games continue to make money. If they don't then they are consciously abandoning their core and leaving a shitton of money on the table.

Bet you still liked Starfield more you fucking sexy beast of a man

I filled in the blanks for you

 

[midnightAI]

I wonder what is the next phase is. Current franchise is getting old.

Well we know several studios are working on new single player IP's.... that said, come on 'Savage Starlight'

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

PS-Timetracker

Time tracking for all PlayStation games - Want to know how long it took you to finish your favorite game or complete that super hard platinum? Just add the bot as a friend on PSN to see your stats in detail.

ps-timetracker.com

GAAS is completely dominating PS5.

 

[GHound]

Like it or not *aaS is the future.

I'm going to get the ball rolling on Dumpster Fires as a Service and there is no one who can stop me.

 

[Catphish]

Sounds very engaging.

 

[GHG]

This is a load of horseshit.

All of these companies are soon going to learn when their revenues plummet due to turning their back on their core customers.

 

[Arsic]

Movie theaters literally care more about how much popcorn and soda is sold than tickets because that is where they make their money. You actually gave a great analogy for why game sales arr less important than engagement.

 

[aclar00]

Fail!!! Sony needs to fail in order to heal and see the light! All hail SP (w/o mtx) for life!

Lol...shit my engagement is down and GaaS, unfortunately, will make it go down further... talk about causing limp dick.

 

[midnightAI]

This is a load of horseshit.

All of these companies are soon going to learn when their revenues plummet due to turning their back on their core customers.

Again, this only holds true if they abandon single player games, and there is no evidence of that (we know this from the Insomniac leak)

Having single player, multiplayer and GAAS is not a bad thing.

 

[diffusionx]

The only way you can judge the success of a company is by how much stuff they sell. The ONLY way. Companies that invent metrics that somehow always indicate they are doing great are actually heading down the road of total failure.
Herman Hulst is going to go down as the PS' Mattrick, mark my words.

 

[rm082e]

Interestingly enough, GAAS is what prevented GamePass from ever growing too large. Players having their "one game" means having access to hundreds is meaningless.

Yeah, that seems spot on.

This has me wondering what those stats looked like in 2016 when they were designing and then making decisions on Game Pass. Fortnite Season 1 launched around the same time as Game Pass, but CoD, Minecraft, Rocket League, and GTA Online were already huge. If they could see a big chunk of playtime across their console was already being spent on just a few games, and most of those games weren't going to be on Game Pass, I would think someone might have raised their hand and asked what impact that would have on their plans.

 

[DenchDeckard]

You know the Jobs fucked when this happens!

We have been here before!

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Eager to see all new GAAS game reveals in the showcase.