Jimmyisback
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Nah doesn't even sounds plausible.
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PlayStation 5 information page on Turkish retailer suggests backward compatibility from PS2 upwards
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Mista
Banned
I am talking about how it works on Xbox and how it SHOULD work on Playstation too
Yes you own by buying then how are you going to own? If your account got PS2 and PS3 games then you shouldn't buy them again
Unless Sony decides to charge again like they always do then GG
INC
Member
My point was I dint wanna spend any money on ps2 games digital, when I can just grab the rom for free
So pretty pointless feature to care about (for me personally)
SaucyJack
Member
I've always felt that this slide had space on it for a reason.
So what are the issues?
First of all the PS store didn't launch until 2006. PS1 and 2 content is available only on physical media or digitally as the subset of PS1/2 classics that have been done for PS3/4
Now taking each platform separately:
PS1 - Should be easy enough to emulate, biggest issue is that physical games are on CD and the PS5's optical drive may not support CDs as was the case with PS4. Physical games are pretty hard to come by these days. Only digital content available are the PS1 classics on PS3.
PS2 - Should also be easy enough to emulate and physical media will likely be supported, but there are only a few places offering second hand PS2 games and they're quite limited availablity. . Like PS1 there's only a small subset of games on PS3/PS4 store.
PS3 - a tonne of digital content as pretty much everything was on the PS Store and physical media is still readily available, but emulation is a bitch. I'm intrigued by the idea that Tempest Engine might be the key to PS3 BC.
I would love it if PS3 was supported, I have a small number of games I'd like to dip into and complete. Bonus if they're enhanced like Xbox managed with 360 games. I wouldn't be surprised if PS2 was supported, becuase it'll be relatively easy. Bonus again if they enhance and add trophy support. I suspect that PS1 would be missed off due to lack of support for physical media.
So what are the issues?
First of all the PS store didn't launch until 2006. PS1 and 2 content is available only on physical media or digitally as the subset of PS1/2 classics that have been done for PS3/4
Now taking each platform separately:
PS1 - Should be easy enough to emulate, biggest issue is that physical games are on CD and the PS5's optical drive may not support CDs as was the case with PS4. Physical games are pretty hard to come by these days. Only digital content available are the PS1 classics on PS3.
PS2 - Should also be easy enough to emulate and physical media will likely be supported, but there are only a few places offering second hand PS2 games and they're quite limited availablity. . Like PS1 there's only a small subset of games on PS3/PS4 store.
PS3 - a tonne of digital content as pretty much everything was on the PS Store and physical media is still readily available, but emulation is a bitch. I'm intrigued by the idea that Tempest Engine might be the key to PS3 BC.
I would love it if PS3 was supported, I have a small number of games I'd like to dip into and complete. Bonus if they're enhanced like Xbox managed with 360 games. I wouldn't be surprised if PS2 was supported, becuase it'll be relatively easy. Bonus again if they enhance and add trophy support. I suspect that PS1 would be missed off due to lack of support for physical media.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
It's Sony.
Starlight Lotice
Member
Would be funny if it also includes emulating PSP and Vita games via some UMD/Cartridge slot on a PS5. 
Kidding of course but it doesn't say it omits Portable Software.
Kidding of course but it doesn't say it omits Portable Software.
gamerforever
Banned
I would love bc, but lets be honest, who is going to bother replaying those ancient rubbish games on a regular basis? I would they focus on making sure all ps4 games work well and the big hitters are significantly improved. I’m hoping for bloodborne 4k/ 60fps as well as a witcher 3 patch making look the same as the reveal trailer. Happy to drop £ if the patches are good enough.
So the small handful of PS2 games available on PS4 can easily be emulated? They didn’t make any big changes to the code?
The selection of games is laughable, I always figured it was because they strike a balance between being popular enough to sell and being easily emulated with little to no issues to address.
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
"PS2 upwards" seems strange, since PS2 and PS3 would be the hardest to emulate yet PS1 is basically free at this point.
RAIDEN1
Member
If true it would be MORE than welcome! Seeing as backward compatibility on the PS4 was woeful compared to what you could play on the Xbox, ie Burnout, Republic Commando, Jade Empire, Panza Dragoon Orta, etc....(all of which you can't even get on the PS3/4) I'd be definitely interested in experiencing Ridge Racer again in new HD glory!
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I don't know, this sounds dumb enough to be true
PS4 lacked the ability to play CD maybe PS5 does too.
Its strange, but so was PS4 having a disc drive incapable of playing CD'S
TLZ
Banned
It looks like they tried to do something new by adding trophies to PS2 games and couldn't be bothered anymore. People with hacked PS4s would add a lot of PS2 games and most would work with little to no issues.
They could easily use that already available emulator on PS5. They should just forget about trophies and let us just play the games in auto 4k something.
UnravelKatharsis
Member
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Sony totally decided to give this Turkish retailer the inside scoop and nobody else.. makes sense.
FranXico
Member
The only rationale to leave such a feature out would be that the GDC talk was intended to focus on new hardware-based features of interest to developers.
Still, not likely at all. They would have already mentioned that in all other promotional material. It just doesn't make sense.
Shin
Banned
It doesn't, but I don't want to be negative nancy in every thread about things I'm skeptical about.
Realistic in my expectation(s), vocal about things that displeases me as well, praises where warranted, gives shit where due.
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Trogdor1123
Member
Makes no sense, the PS1 would be the easiest to do. Of course you could say that about right now... Which makes no sense
Tulipanzo
Member
I feel people have good reason to be negative about Sony and BC, but some of the pessimism might be unwarranted.
Here's some reason to keep optimistic.
1) MS were not widely known for BC before this gen, only supporting some OG XBox titles on 360 via emulation until 2007
2) AFAIK, 360 backwards compatibility did not leak, and was only known after E3 2015, despite how long the project had been underway
3) Right now, very few OG XBox games are supported; there might be similar reasons as to why 6th gen and prior emulation has proved so difficult for both
4) Even before this gen started Cerny was asked to support PS3 BC, but that was incompatible with the x86 architecture plans; so Sony was not innately averse to BC
5) The PS4 is legitimately a poor environment for emulation, especially of very "quirky" PS hardware; it might have proven sensible to move BC efforts to PS5
Ultimately the proof is in the pudding, but I'm confident we start seeing better BC efforts from Sony this gen.
Here's some reason to keep optimistic.
1) MS were not widely known for BC before this gen, only supporting some OG XBox titles on 360 via emulation until 2007
2) AFAIK, 360 backwards compatibility did not leak, and was only known after E3 2015, despite how long the project had been underway
3) Right now, very few OG XBox games are supported; there might be similar reasons as to why 6th gen and prior emulation has proved so difficult for both
4) Even before this gen started Cerny was asked to support PS3 BC, but that was incompatible with the x86 architecture plans; so Sony was not innately averse to BC
5) The PS4 is legitimately a poor environment for emulation, especially of very "quirky" PS hardware; it might have proven sensible to move BC efforts to PS5
Ultimately the proof is in the pudding, but I'm confident we start seeing better BC efforts from Sony this gen.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
The same reasons he did bring up PS4 BC. Boosting, and the fact that they know it's mostly non-developers watching and that this stuff will get immediately into the headlines.
UnravelKatharsis
Member
I think ps4 BC was brought up to developers because they are working with them to ensure compatibility. It's in their best interest to get ahead of such a feature. Do you see devs patching ps3 through ps1 games? Do you see them caring about compatibility in the used game market? I disagree with that logic.
Any BC pre ps4 will be wholly sonys problem to solve. People are still buying ps4 games. And like I said I dont even think it's going to happen, but I can see why, if it were, they wouldn't have told us or even devs yet.
Andrew Evenstar
Member
the system would already be God Tier if it had ps1/ps2 backwards compatibility or a way to transfer your games to the hard drive and play them off the SSD. PS4 should be by default and ps3 would just be a bonus. ----- bu this is never going to happen lol. it's just a dream. just like instathots going to coachella this year.
Andodalf
Banned
the lack of OG Xbox BC titles most likely has a lot to do with licensing , as MS doesn’t really like to make games BC unless they’re available digitally.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Well, yes and no. Microsoft have extensive backwards compatibility at the forefront of their Series X messaging, just look at the blog post from a few days ago letting people know that 1, 360 and original Xbox games are all going to benefit from things like increased and more stable frame rates, faster loads times, HDR on the Series X. But, as you say, none of that work actually involves work from the original developers. So I still believe if we were going to hear about it, we would have heard it there simply as an interesting thing the hardware can pull off, but maybe not, maybe that's the kind of thing they announce elsewhere. If at all - I also doubt we're getting it.
Hostile_18
Banned
My main thing here is why does it start at PS2. What possible reason is there to leave out the PS1, surely the easiest to emulate?
bingo.
UnravelKatharsis
Member
I think our main disagreement isnt wether it will happen (we both think it wont) but wether or not they would have announced it if they were working on it. I am of the opinion that sony wants to slowly dripfeed info to maintain hype as long as possible and that's probably my main argument for why they wouldn't have announced it there.
The gdc talk, tweeting the ps5 logo, the controller and now a showcase of the games but purportedly not the console or price yet. Feels like they're feeding us piecemeal. If they give it all to us at once they get that big hype hit all at once but it slowly dies down. They want us thinking about playstation non stop. The longer they can space out individual tidbits of info, the longer they have our mindshare.
That's my two cents
Tulipanzo
Member
I'm inclined to agree, which fits with my point.
It just might be difficult to get a lot of 6th gen or prior games due to licensing issues, irrespective of a company's commitment to BC.
I've always felt that this slide had space on it for a reason.
Not this again. Its the motherboard of the PS4, that's why they used it.
Please stop.
SaucyJack
Member
Not this again. Its the motherboard of the PS4, that's why they used it.
Please stop.
I'm well aware of this, yet this in no way contradicts those who might think the space is there for a reason.
They proactively chose the motherboard shape as the most appropriate one for a visualisation when talking about PS5 backwards compatibility and then left half of the graphic empty. This visualisation was not imposed on them.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Ken Kutaragi is gone, backwards compatibility is no longer a core value of the brand. His dream of every PlayStation being THE PlayStation by virtue of being able to play all games ever released before is dead.
FranXico
Member
No. There is only PS4 BC.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
They also didn't talk about their counter to Xbone's policies until E3 so as to let people think otherwise and pleasantly surprised them all
yurinka
Member
Well, technically both PS4 and PSNow include some PS2 and PS3 games.
So this means that since PS5 will be BC with PS4 and will also have PS Now, it also will have PS3 and PS2 games. Not the entire catalog, and some of them only available through streaming, but you'll be able to play PS2 and PS3 games too on PS5.
So this means that since PS5 will be BC with PS4 and will also have PS Now, it also will have PS3 and PS2 games. Not the entire catalog, and some of them only available through streaming, but you'll be able to play PS2 and PS3 games too on PS5.
SaucyJack
Member
A streaming service that you have to pay extra for is not my definition of backwards compatibility.
Andodalf
Banned
I think the contention is that Xbox is going for game by game bc with what they can get license for, while Sony might not have games available, but make it so that disks can play regardless of availability.
yurinka
Member
Mmm... I went to the website to read check the exact wording and seems they removed the part mentioning the 'play PS2/PS3/PS4' portion.
Like in PS4, PS Now -they are making a next gen iteration- wouldn't be part of BC in PS5. But still would allow you to play the PS2 and PS3 games available there.
If you have PS2 classics bought for PS4 they will work on PS5, no need to pay extra to use them through BC. Same goes with remastered PS2/PS3 games and PS3/PS4 crossgen games released on PS4: if you bought them on PS4, you get them free on PS5 through BC.
Like in PS4, PS Now -they are making a next gen iteration- wouldn't be part of BC in PS5. But still would allow you to play the PS2 and PS3 games available there.
Caffeine
Gold Member
let me put it this way do u think a software and hardware engineer like mark cerny and a group of software dudes wouldnt get the pretty complete ps1 emulator from 2006 that was on the psp/ps3 to run on a 9 teraflop machine(random teraflop utilization of software thrown out the system is 10.28 in capability for those that this is bothering) in 2020, they could do it in a couple months of work.
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