mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It means ALOT to people that understand how this process works and how it'll blow the doors off if done properly.
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PlayStation 6 to utilize AMD's 3D stacked chips; AMD UDNA Flagship GPU revived for 2026, Zen 6 Halo with 3D stacking technology, and Zen 6 all on TSMC
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It means ALOT to people that understand how this process works and how it'll blow the doors off if done properly.
Imtjnotu
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There's the 24Gb+, which implies higher than 24Gbit capacity ICs, they'll need 32Gbit to be available to have 32GB RAM in an economical manner. Theoretically they could do what they did the PS4 which shipped with 16x4Gbit GDDR5 ICs and reduced that to 8x8Gbit when they became available but with 16x16Gbit instead, if 32Gbits aren't quite ready in time.
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Negotiator
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24Gb+ means they bet on future nodes that may or may not come in time... it's a gamble. Especially with geopolitical tensions in Taiwan.
Back in 2013 lithography was a lot cheaper and apart from that, DRAM density doesn't scale that well. We'll see.
Agree, but it wouldn't really affect their SoC design. 24GB will only happen if the right chips don't arrive in time/cost too much (or they have some non-uniform memory layout like XSS/XSX), assuming a 256-bit bus.
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Kazekage1981
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Here is my speculation:
20-25GB of GDDR7 or HBM type memory reaching close to 800GB/sec-1TB/sec Memory Bandwidth
Latest Bluetooth
Wifi7
Latest HDMI (8K at 120hz, Dolby Vision, HDR, VRR)
USB 4.0?
Zen6-3D V-Cache 12 Core @ 3Ghz-4.5Ghz
UDNA/RDNA 5 @2.5GHZ-3.5Ghz
30-40 TFLOPS
Close to 1000 TOPS of NPU
Ultra-violet Ray Disk Drive?
PCIE Gen 5 Custom SSD: 15GB/sec-30GB/sec
FSR4.0+/PSSR+
20-25GB of GDDR7 or HBM type memory reaching close to 800GB/sec-1TB/sec Memory Bandwidth
Latest Bluetooth
Wifi7
Latest HDMI (8K at 120hz, Dolby Vision, HDR, VRR)
USB 4.0?
Zen6-3D V-Cache 12 Core @ 3Ghz-4.5Ghz
UDNA/RDNA 5 @2.5GHZ-3.5Ghz
30-40 TFLOPS
Close to 1000 TOPS of NPU
Ultra-violet Ray Disk Drive?
PCIE Gen 5 Custom SSD: 15GB/sec-30GB/sec
FSR4.0+/PSSR+
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
YES BRO! WTF?!
Now this is interesting..........
Exactly! I would say the last 2 transitions have been 7 years. We should look at it as the "Mark Cenry Years". During his tenure he seems to shoot for 7 years with every console generation. If the A0 tapeout actually happens at the end of 2025 like K KeplerL2 thinks, then.........yeah...........maybe a November 2027 PS6 launch.
It'll also line up with some of their potential 1st party single player games launching too. KEEP IN MIND.......they will mainly all be cross-gen with PS5, so no need to panic.
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SplunkyMunkey
Member
That's a design that could probably last years without bringing out the pro version
It definitely won't be HBM if they wanna sell the system and my guess is it be 18-20GB Gddr7 that leaves either 16GB or 18GB for developers
700GB/800GB bandwidth
10 core Zen 5 v cache @ 3.5 - 4.5Ghz
UDNA5 @ 3GHZ Boost to 4ghz
Puts it around 25-30 Tflops
BlackTron
Member
Yes
But the again, i'm one of those absolutely, out of mind, fucking crazy people who is ready to pay more than 500 dollars for something with a 5-8 years lifespan that is gonna guarantee me thousands of hours of entartainment, silly me.
I would see zero problems with a 1000 dollars console with actual state of the art tech and power, but i know i'm the minority, people prefer to waste those money on phones or tvs every 2 years.
If we had a service contract (gaming sub) with the hardware paid off piecemeal monthly like a phone, people would get the $1000 over the $700 all day. They would even happily pay interest on it.
GymWolf
Member
Not the worst idea i heard today.
I never bought a phone with that system because i don't wanna pay interest but it would probably make people more willing to pay premium price for premium hardware.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You'd have to have PS+ or something else attached to this system though. It couldn't be for the hardware only.
GymWolf
Member
We can define the details when sony is gonna have the balls to make an actual premium console at premium price and not an overpriced scam like pro, so probably never
Neff
Member
Only reason I could be remotely interested in PS6 at this point is if it was powerful enough for Sony to give it full, flawless backwards ompatibility with every generation of PlayStation.
SweetTooth
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jm89
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Negotiator
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The emulation scene is progressing faster than Sony, that's for sure:
They could do wonders on PS6 with an AVX-512 Zen 6 CPU (I'm afraid Cerny will cut the vector units in half once again for thermal reasons) and a dedicated emulation team (PS3 emulation is also pretty good on PC).
PS5 emulation might never be a thing, since almost all their games are being ported to PC these days (minus Gran Turismo 7 and Astro Bot).
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
We will see what they pull off, once they go heavy with AI and they need to keep that base console for 7+ years there is no going back. 24 GB is too low IMHO. Maybe 4 GB chips? Not sure if they would be viable in 2027.HBM is a pipe dream.
GDDR7 will be fast and cheap in 2027-2028:
3GB chips and each one (32-bit) will offer 144 GB/s of bandwidth.
P Panajev2001a It seems 32GB RAM is out of the question (not possible to divide 32GB with 3GB), but 24GB is a possibility with 256-bit bus. Each new console generation will offer even smaller memory increase (no longer 16x increases like the PS3/4 did).
384-bit bus (36GB) also seems highly unlikely (XBOX ONE X is the only exception)... Sony is not going to eat up manufacturing costs. Only Kutaragi would do that.
An uber console would offer 512-bit bus (like RTX 5090) and over 2TB/s with 48GB RAM, but only RTX 6090 will offer that.
Also, AI is another quite bandwidth intensive workload on top of graphics, maybe that would justify a 384 bits bus run at slightly lower clocks:
Apple discovered it the hard way (with less lofty gaming aims) how they had to bump the RAM across their entire line of machines.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Playboi Carti
Member
24GB, 3,5GB reserved for the system if we go by the history. That leaves 20,5GB of usable memory to be shared by the GPU and the CPU.
Seems kinda low, specially if you take into consideration that by 2027, mid-range PC's and even budget ones are gonna be rocking 12/16GB of VRAM coupled with 32GB of system ram and also super fast storage, that makes it more than double the usable RAM of a PS6.
20GB also sounds low knowing that they wanna tap deeper into ML and RT.
Seems kinda low, specially if you take into consideration that by 2027, mid-range PC's and even budget ones are gonna be rocking 12/16GB of VRAM coupled with 32GB of system ram and also super fast storage, that makes it more than double the usable RAM of a PS6.
20GB also sounds low knowing that they wanna tap deeper into ML and RT.
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Radical_3d
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DF said not so long ago that 3D stacking is not realistic to keep the budget of a console system. Will be great if true.
Negotiator
Member
nVidia said that VRAM consumption will be lower thanks to the new transformer AI model and neural compression.
I have a suspicion Sony will follow this paradigm, with a faster PCIe 5.0 SSD...
Mid-range PCs already have 32GB DDR4 + 12GB GDDR6 + PCIe 4.0, but it's a shame DirectStorage isn't more popular.
The direct GPU <-> SSD connection/decompression is supposed to reduce VRAM usage. It's the reason PS5 only has 16GB of RAM vs 8GB on PS4.
If the PS5 had a regular HDD, Sony would be forced to have 32GB of RAM as a cache/buffer to compensate for slow HDD reads.
TheRedRiders
Member
DF say a lot of things.
CityHunter1981
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I get that they probably choose AMD because of backwards compatibility, but I would like to see a console from them with a NVIDIA chip.
Sure FSR is also getting better, but DLSS seems to be always two steps ahead.
Sure FSR is also getting better, but DLSS seems to be always two steps ahead.
Why are you even talking about FSR when Sony has its own PSSR. PSSR and derivatives of it is what we’ll see in PS6. Sony is also deep into ML/AI.
Bert Big Balls
Gold Member
2027 I reckon. I know everyone will disagree but I can't see them moving away from the 7 year between consoles thing.
winjer
Member
PSSR was developed in partnership with AMD. Its very likely that it shares a lot of code with FSR4.
HJuggernaut
Member
its time for a 512 bit console
Games Bookstore
Member
That's exactly how I got my PS5, through Vodafone. No interest on the device, and paid it off over 3 years instead of upfront.
Negotiator
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BlackTron
Member
Yeah, I did a similar thing with Series X, when the market was bad for graphics cards and consoles were rare, it was my chance to get something. I sold it making back 90% of those interest free payments, but they got two years of Gamepass out of me per the contract. Xbox got demoted to a used Series S after the sub ended lol.
HeisenbergFX4
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HJuggernaut
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Not sure price of the console scales that way
TheRedRiders
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HJuggernaut
Member
sony uses matrix codenames for consoles. neo, morpheus, trinity...
Negotiator
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PS5 Pro price wasn't supposed to scale that way ($399 -> $699) and yet, here we are...
Panajev2001a
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Imtjnotu
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PaintTinJr
Member
My guess is that the codename of PS6 is Zion
Zion (The Matrix) - Wikipedia
Down under feels like a reference to under ground and keeping with the Matrix codename theme Zion would fit the bill IMO.
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farmerboy
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Or Smith as in Agent Smith. Played by Aussie actor Hugo Weaving. That would be the down under connection.My guess is that the codename of PS6 is Zion
Zion (The Matrix) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Down under feels like a reference to under ground and keeping with the Matrix codename theme Zion would fit the bill IMO.
But let's be honest, Zion would make a much cooler codename.
Loxus
Member
True, but HBM is only one part of how I envision the PS6.
I feel like there is still much more room for system memory efficiency by bringing storage more closer to the chip.
This is most likely not the case but something like this is how I envision the PS6. A hybrid storage/memory architecture.
In theory, this should mean that even more uncompressed data doesn't need to leave the Nand flash, resulting in little to no increase in system memory size or even result in needing less.
I feel Mark Cerny is crazy enough to do a setup like this. Incorporating the SSD controller into the main chip.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
My guess is that the codename of PS6 is Zion
Zion (The Matrix) - Wikipedia
Down under feels like a reference to under ground and keeping with the Matrix codename theme Zion would fit the bill IMO.
Interesting.....
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Zion might be a very good guessMy guess is that the codename of PS6 is Zion
Zion (The Matrix) - Wikipedia
Down under feels like a reference to under ground and keeping with the Matrix codename theme Zion would fit the bill IMO.
PS to all those who helped I did know which company used Matrix codenames for their projects
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Created by The Architect… me likesZion might be a very good guess
PS to all those who helped I did know which company used Matrix codenames for their projects
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Created by The Architect… me likes
Yup, no point in doubling the size of the GPU just to get an image that you can’t even perceive as better to one made with AI at half the size, power consumption and cost. People who get upset that something isn’t native resolution need to take a hike
Bert Big Balls
Gold Member
Son, I don't know what the fuck you've been talking about for the last hour and a half.
This is also why PS5 costs much less than Series X to manufacture, is less powerful on paper, but performs better or the same most of the time… smarter design.