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AMD Zen 5 CPUs Reportedly Made On TSMC’s 3nm Process In Q2, Mass Production In Q3
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rodrigolfp
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What makes you think AMD is not doing its own AI upscaling now that they will have the hardware for it?
SolidQ
Member
Consoles can't run at decent speed, so that why FSR not AI.
If you have money just wait 9x00 series. It's very fast cpu
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They are, they mentioned weeks ago that they're working on an AI powered version of FSR not long before they also revealed FSR3.1 which seems like a big improvement image stability wise over FSR2.3.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
???
Isn't because RDNA2 and 3 can't really do AI upscaling?
SolidQ
Member
This
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
If RDNA3 can do what is AMD waiting for? They just didn't finish yet?
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SolidQ
Member
They tied to consoles. That why you see in Pro "PSSR", not FSR.
FSR 3.1 also no AI. Anyway just wait later this year
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
AMD to introduce AI-based upscaling, potentially matching DLSS
AMD has confirmed that it's developing a method to play games with AI-based image upscaling. Although further details are scarce, this could potentially bring the company's solution...
www.techspot.com
PSSR =/= FSR with AI upscaling, no? PSSR will be PS5 only.
Whenever Nvidia decide to drop the new Shield is when we'll see the Switch 2 hardware, and they are seriously due a new shield soon!
Moses85
Member
I know, I just was kidding
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
AMD invents sophons!
Dorfdad
Gold Member
Look at their history. Their current Technologies released are years behind Nvidia. The tech used in XBOX are basically holy outdated. Microsoft is relying on AMD to advance tools and features but there isn't a real incentive for AMD to do anything.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
The incentive is their PC video cards to give a DLSS equivalent.
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
It has watermarks so it must be true!
Anyway that comparision Turin 500W vs Genoa 400W
SolidQ
Member
Kepler saying it's true, and other people who know about it, not denied it.
Also it's hard to believe they're going to help Sony with PSSR and then completely ignore the potential of A.I upscaling on their own products.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
The semi-custom term is technically accurate but there isn't much "custom" about them. And yes you do actually AMD has released the exact CPUs on PC for both the PS5 and Xbox Series. Digital Foundry covered this awhile back.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
Nvidia worked on the OG Xbox (2001) and PS3 they then stopped doing consoles as you described but returned in 2017 to do the Nintendo Switch. The Switch 2 is also confirmed Nvidia. But yes a pure home console would be great the Xbox might go handheld (Series S2) and it might have a powerful home only console version (Series X2) would be great if they go Nvidia.
Nvidia screwed over both Microsoft and Sony though (and TBF with Nintendo they just rehashed the Tegra from the Shield) so it'd have to be a pretty damn good deal to get them to sign.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
Yes that's the thought but for Microsoft times have changed also Nvidia is a long time and current Microsoft partner, Microsoft's with Nvidia all the time. Also the Switch 2s chip is custom unlike the Switch 1. Honestly an off the shelf Tegra Thor would be a monster for consoles even without it being custom but the automotive optimizations would make it wasteful so going the Nintendo route for the Switch 2 is the best move.
Microsoft needs to differentiate itself and if they are making the next console a handheld ARM and Nvidia are great for this hence Tegra Thor. If not try Qualcomm, Samsung, ARM itself. Hell Microsoft is a chip maker now they can make their chip if they wanted (time tables are looking rough for a 2026 release though.).
The PS5 is rumoured to use the front end of RDNA 1, with possible improvements to geometry processing and integration with the cache coherency engine + RDNA 2 CUs. That's combined with a Zen 2 mobile processor with a specially cut down FPU. All over a 256-bit GDDR6 bus, which is not used on laptop CPUs.
The XSX has more of a "standard" RDNA 2 GPU, however it has 14 Dual CUs per shader engine compared with 10 on the PS5 and RDNA 2 PC parts. That's again combined with a Zen 2 mobile CPU but running on a 320-bit bus, which is not seen on any RDNA 2 PC parts. Also note that there is no Infinity Cache unlike the RDNA 2 PC parts.
On the PC, you can use the XSX and PS5 APUs on custom OEM motherboards, but the GPU is disabled, so that makes it pretty pointless. There are no equivalent "working" APUs in the desktop space.
Edit: Ah, I guess you are talking about the CPU-side only, which is pretty much the same.
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Panajev2001a
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Understatement of the year…
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Says… who? The person saying that the PS5 semi-custom SoC is not really “much” custom at all while they expect this to be a full custom chip? Alright…
Everyone expected that for Switch 1 and then it made sense why Nintendo was happy with nVIDIA: they got good software tools and they did not care if the chip was old and not customised for them much (they got it downclocked to heck and back and disabled a few CPU cores to save power though).
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I think we look at the SoC, but FPU wise we are talking about a big redesign (quite smart one too) that they did for Sony first and then reused so the PC APUs are not a proof that these SoC’s were not much “custom” IMHO.
Tams
Member
That's the flagship for mobile
The problem is in previous year they make that flagship APU that is available months if not a year after the reveal and only found in few 2000+ laptops
Look at this mess
You see that third digit? It's almost like it represents the CPU architecture gen or something...
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
Says Nvidia actually because they leaked it themselves by accident in the Linux leak. You don't seem to be familiar with this but I'll break it down for you the Switch 1 Tegra SoC was meant for powerful Tablets i.e it was by default very good at gaming. In the modern era Tegra is heavily aimed at the automotive and AI markets as Nvidia has exited the phone and laptop market. Making a Nintendo Switch 2 off of a car SoC would work sure but a lot of that hardware could be wasted.
Nvidia has made a custom version of Tegra Orin (ARM Hercules and Nvidia Ampere GPU) that's focused more on FP32 performance (what people here know as Teraflops) rather than convolutional Neural Networks and Machine Vision processing. The Switch 2s SoC will retain AI hardware for use in stuff like DLSS but it won't be as focused on literally powering self driving compared to a typical Orin SoC was.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Why do you need to be condescending?
You will likely see nVIDIA doing something else with this chipset and very likely this is what they aimed to do and Nintendo is jumping on it. You will be right if you can see major changes from a Shield 2 or something and what Nintendo has and Switch 2 is not just a cut down version with no other changes compared to the car SoC.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
I agree it would be wasteful for Nvidia to not do anything else with it. A follow up to the shield sounds reasonable I just don't know Nvidia is interested in making more Shields right now considering where the money is really coming from these days, we'll see.