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Pokémon Community Thread 4: "Your Portal to What's Hip and Happening in Sinnoh!"

Xenoboy

Member
I've always felt that Chikorita has been the underdog of all starters. I didn't like it at first but it really grew on me. Then again I've always been partial to the quadrupedal grass starters :p

I just think that Meganium has a really cute design, you don't always get a cute final starter evo.
 

Muku

Member
Bit of a random question regarding the TCG, but does anyone know of a decent page regarding the Pikachu World Collection from like '99 or '00? Can't remember which. I'm cataloging my old cards and want to mark down these 9 but wanted a little more information. Places I found are vague or non existant. (Keep getting referred to Bulbapedia, but it's unnumbered cards page I don't see having the collection there.)
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
Chikorita is both pretty bad and pretty good in Gen 2.

Pretty bad in that the gyms are not friendly to grass types at all.

Pretty good in that it learns Razor Leaf extremely early and its more powerful in gen 2.

Given the popularity of Charizard they made the Fire Starter the easy route in gen 2, also most of the other good fire types in the game aren't until you get back to Kanto.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Sometimes simple is best.

Meh I dislike this simple argument. I mean you can still be simple and be subtle. Charizard is just bland compared to how the other two delivered their elements.

And like I said, it's more of their child fantasies being tickled than actually being a good design.
 
I'm more of a fan of the Totodile line. *biased*

I love gators :p Especially the funny ones that are vaguely... um, for lack of a better word, anthropomorphic.
 

lupinko

Member
I bought Latias and Latios yesterday, the pokepetit key chains. I was holding out but they were starting to sell out.

Japanese White 2 coming in the next week or two, Japanese Platinum coming on Friday. $26-ish total.

I haven't played through Platinum since early 2009 (Was it March?). Really hoping it's at least half as good as I remember it being... EDIT: Wait that was the rest of my gaming budget through Oct. Er... Oops.

I'm debating picking up Japanese White 2 and even Japanese DP. Right now I have almost have a unique symmetry going on between NA and JP carts.

JP
2 FR
2 Ruby
2 Sapphire
3 Emerald
1 Platinum
1 HG w/Pokewalker
1 Black w/slipcover
1 Black 2
1 X cart
2 Y (eshop & cart)
1 OR cart
2 AS (eshop & cart)

NA
2 LG (1.0 and 1.1)
2 Ruby
2 Sapphire
1 Emerald
1 Diamond
1 Pearl
1 Platinum
1 SS w/Pokewalker
1 White
1 Black 2
1 White 2
2 X (eshop & cart)
1 Y cart
2 OR (eshop & cart)
1 AS cart

The used games here are less than ¥2000 for HG and SS usually complete too, and for Gen 5 it's under ¥1000.
 
Holy shit, that's a lot of games. lol

For Japan I just have XD, Plat, and AS with White 2 on the way. Plan to get Emerald too by the end of the year.
 

lupinko

Member
Holy shit, that's a lot of games. lol

For Japan I just have XD, Plat, and AS with White 2 on the way. Plan to get Emerald too by the end of the year.

Oh you're including non-mainline games too?

I have XD and Colosseum JP and Pokemon Ranger (2 copies) and My Pokemon Ranch NA, I also have both Celebi and Jirachi colosseum bonus discs.

I think I'll go buy White 2 today and White in a slipcover, since they're so cheap. Haha

Again if you're interested for Emerald I am willing to help ya out.
 

lupinko

Member
They should Delta Emerald and Z, release third versions of both games!

That would be completely unprecedented and would shake things up.

Or count DE and Z as sequels instead of enchanced versions.
 

-Horizon-

Member
I've always felt that Chikorita has been the underdog of all starters. I didn't like it at first but it really grew on me. Then again I've always been partial to the quadrupedal grass starters :p

I just think that Meganium has a really cute design, you don't always get a cute final starter evo.

I still don't like many of the grass starters :/
 

Watch Da Birdie

I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
More Starter opinions:

With the Sinnoh Starters, I feel like the majority of folks seem to feel they're perhaps the best in terms of feeling the most solid and all-around decent. I don't know too many people who consider them their favorite Starters, but I don't know a lot of people who seem to hate them either. At this point, Game Freak began to make the Starters a bit more...high concept, you could say. Before, excluding Blaziken, the Starters had pretty simple elements---an animal with a plant/fire/water element added to it, and not much beyond that. Not that that's a bad thing either way, nor are having them be a bit more interesting bad either, it comes down to personal preference. But anyway, with Sinnoh, the Starters all have sort of that extra element to them---Torterra isn't as in your face as the others, and probably is the closest to feeling like a classic Starter, but draws elements from the various World Turtle myth, Infernape of course draws from Sun Wukong, and Empoleon, perhaps two Gens too soon, is inspired by Napoleon Bonaparte as both its English and Japanese (Emperte) indicate.

Also, for the first time ever, the Starters are all Dual-types! This was very cool, and while Infernape being Fire/Fighting again sort of detracts from that, at this point it wasn't too big of an issue since it was only the second. People don't seem to give him too much shit for this, although now that he's the second in a trio of Fire/Fighting, it stands out more. The Dual-typing here is a bit odd, though, as it sort of fucks up the Starter Type Triangle, especially when it comes to Empoleon. But I guess Game Freak realized that the Starter vs. Starter fight only happens in the beginning, and by the time you've got the Final Form you have enough Pokemon to not make the rival battles Starter vs. Starter anyway.

Torterra is my favorite Starter Pokemon of the series (I especially like Grotle), and I think it has a very simple design, a mix of the Venusaur in having a large, somewhat passive appearance to it, while feeling a bit more feral and tough like Sceptile as well. Some people might be bothered by the fact it's another "turtle" Starter Pokemon but Turtwig and Squirtle are easily different enough for it not to be an issue. Torterra is the first, and only Grass/Ground Pokemon in the series, which is sort of odd...I mean, Grass/Ground seems like a very natural Type Combination it's surprising we've only had one of them throughout the whole series. Anyway, Torterra is an awesome Pokemon, very powerful looking without being too over the top.

Infernape is our second Fire/Fighting Pokemon, and the only Sinnoh Starter without a unique Type---like I said, it doesn't bother me too much. I'm not an expert on Pokemon gameplay exactly in terms of the meta-game, but I get the impression that Infernape plays similarly to Blaziken, and doesn't have enough going for it to really measure up to Blaziken who seems to be a fan-favorite overall especially with a Mega. Infernape feels like a second banana in that regard, and it's unfortunate since I think each of the Starters should have their place, but with 18 of them now, obviously some are going to get left behind. To be honest, I thought the Chimchar Arc in the Diamond and Pearl anime was one of the high-points of the entire show, and greatly endeared me to the Pokemon, but to be honest I'm not exactly a big fan of the line's appearance. Anyway, it's based on Sun Wukong/Son Goku, which is neat and thanks to Dragon Ball it's a motif that most folks will get regardless of their location, and thanks to being a monkey, they easily incorporated more humanoid elements like armor-looking features to it without feeling too humanized.

Empoleon is also a unique Type combination, never been done before, never been done since, and while Water/Steel isn't as natural of a Type Combination, it's surprising he's the only one. Being Steel/Water, he actually has no Starter Type weaknesses, but to make up for this he's weak to Ground and Fighting---the secondary Typings of the other Starters, I guess to balance him out. Empoleon like Infernape goes for a higher motif, being based on Napoleon, but like Infernape this element is nicely integrated, due to penguins being creatures that have a vaguely humanoid appearance to them that giving them more human elements is quite easy to implement. I like the Piplup line as a whole, not my favorites, but they're pretty good Pokemon with a nice motif that fits with their species nicely. A lot of people seemed sort of disappointed he didn't become the expected Water/Ice like people thought, but I think the Typing they went with was a good choice.


Now, Unova Starters---I feel like a lot of folks were, and still are, disappointed in them. The biggest issue seems to be they feel a bit lacking in terms of Typing coming off the Sinnoh Starters, two mono-types and yet another Fire/Fighting Pokemon. The leaking of them also seemed to kill the hype for some reason, with a lot of folks seemingly disappointed in their designs and not believing them to be real. Finally, with so many new Pokemon in Unova, there were plenty of alternatives to use when it came to new Pokemon that a lot of folks seemed to drop the Starters. I think though by now, folks have warmed up to them a bit more however.

According to Nintendo Dream interviews, the Unova Pokemon to represent the multiculturalism of Unova each drew from a certain culture---Western (and we had really stupid people thinking this meant cowboys), Chinese, and Japanese specifically. To an American audience, Chinese and Japanese being separate while Western is grouped together feels odd, but from a Japanese standpoint it makes more sense, and likely if Game Freak was American we'd see America as its own category and the other categories being "European" and "Asian".

Snivy was the fan favorite upon being revealed, and quickly gained memetic status---which, to me, really put me off the Pokemon since I found the memes about "Smugleaf" to be wholly annoying. Despite this, being a Grass-fan, I went with Snivy upon my first play through, and found the Pokemon wholly disappointing. Beyond that, I think its middle form, Servine, has a very weak design. But that's my opinion. Anyway, Snivy like Chikorita has sort of a feminine element to it, as the anime once again pushed, but less cute and more mature than Chikorita was, but this seemed to be something a lot of folks liked as opposed to Chikorita who I felt the cuteness was a detractor for a lot of folks, especially the boys back then. Snivy is a snake...of sorts...and goes for a more Treecko-line look compared to the usual Grass-Starter quadrupeds, which makes it stand out. It also, once more too early, uses a French element incorporating elements of the Fleur-De-Lis, and a French noble. I think the motif is actually pretty clever and well implemented, I just don't like the design. Serperior may appear to be not too impressive, but its Hidden Ability (I forgot, is this legal yet?) Contrary makes it stand-out and gives it its place in the battling scene.

With Tepig, a lot of people seemed to be pushing for it becoming a Dark-type, and looking at Emboar when it leaked with its darker elements, people seemed to have hope---of course, Emboar ended up as Fire/Fighting for the third time, and its PokeDex shows that its personality is the polar opposite of the usual Dark Pokemon. I like Emboar, though, repeating Type or not, and unlike Infernape its got a slightly different feel visually and mechanically from Blaziken going for a more bulky fighter over the previous graceful Fire/Fighting Pokemon. It's probably my favorite Fire Starter. It's got a Chinese theme, and a lot of folks say it's Zhu Bajie from Journey to the West following Infernape, but that seems doubtful as its personality doesn't really mesh with how Zhu Bajie was depicted. In fact, I believe Game Freak has said it's based on the Three Kingdoms, another Chinese epic, although the exact character he's supposed to be has never been said...my guess is perhaps Guan Yu, described as having a long beard and a red face, would fit the best. Emboar definitely has a very humanoid appearance to them, and being a Pig it's more noticeable than Infernape was since a pig doesn't have such a body shape normally, but I think its bulk balances that out from looking too..."furry"...since humanoid animals tend to have a lithe appearance, while Emboar still has a sort of animalistic quality.

Oshawott seems to have the most contention among the Unova Starters. When Oshawott was first revealed, his blank stare in the Sugimori Art made him seem dull...but opinions seemed to change when we discovered who could use his shell like a sword, and the show showed that he could be fairly animated. No surprise B2W2's art of him actually showed both these off. And everything was good for a bit, but then we got Samurott, who bugged a lot of folks due to throwing away most of the design elements of his previous forms. On his own, Samurott is easily a cool Pokemon---a giant sea lion who has a shell blade---but it's easy to see why the big change in appearance may have thrown people off. A lot of people were hoping he'd be Water/Fighting, perhaps to offset the chance of Fire/Fighting, but alas, that didn't happen---especially as people argued making a sword-wielding quadruped Pokemon Fighting would feel off. But then we actually got a Water/Fighting Pokemon in Keldeo that was just that! Having armor, they could've pulled an Empoleon and made him Water/Steel as well, but I guess Game Freak realized how infuriated fans would be and just went with mono-Water. Anyway, Oshawott is adorable as fuck, and Samurott is a cool Pokemon in its own right, but I still think people are bugged by the jump in appearance. It's probably the most radical Starter evolution. Anyway, Samurott is the Japanese-inspired Pokemon, and is obviously a samurai.


Kalos Pokemon are the newest set, and while the jury is still out on their appearance and designs, I think for one they feel very well thought-out and compliment one another and Kalos overall. First, they're all Dual-types again, and each of them have a fairly unique Dual-type as well that isn't seen too much. Furthermore, these Dual-types have a reverse relationship with one another (although slightly different from the normal Triangle due to the Dark immunity), and their Dual-typings don't effect the primary Typings whatsoever. Second, they have a neat theme in being based on traditional RPG classes (Fighter/Knight, Wizard/Mage, Thief/Ninja), and each Starter feels like they fit nicely alongside the other two, although some would argue they feel a bit distant from most of the other Starters. I think a lot of folks don't care for how humanoid they ended up being, but I don't think it can be argued Game Freak didn't put a lot of thought and care into them this time around, they feel very complete whereas sometimes the Starters could come off as "we gotta do this for tradition, so let's get it done with."

Chespin I feel was the most popular upon being revealed, I think due to how unique it looks among Grass Starters, being the first non-reptilian giving it a different feel, although there was a sense of deja vu since it does seem like it was going for fans of Oshawott, and the role of the two in the anime certainly helped push this resemblance. On the other hand, its evolutions seem to get a lot of crap for being a bit dorky looking, and in Chesnaught's case, having such a big jump in appearance, but I like them myself. It has a defensive element to it with the cool "Spiky Shield" trademark move, and I think it does a good job at feeling like a "knight" Pokemon. Although some have noticed Chesnaught feels a bit "naked" for a knight, leading to speculation a possible Mega might make it feel more armored and complete.

Fennekin's biggest claim to fame was that it broke the Fire/Fighting curse, and upon its reveal I think a lot of folks took a liking to it because they figured, no way can Game Freak make this Pokemon Fire/Fighting. Like Chikorita and Snivy, it's sort of coded as "feminine", which once more the Anime pushed this in terms of how it represented the main one. Fennekin is perhaps more explicit though, as it becomes the very Magical Girl-esque Braixen, although Delphox dials it down a bit and has a more gender-neutral wizened look. Personally...I'm not a fan of the human elements. They look a bit clunky, and I think there's a fair criticism to be made that Braixen in particular is going for the "otaku appeal" you could say, although I actually think it has a decent design. It's Delphox who I just don't care for, only in the Global Link art do I find myself satisfied with its design, its game, Sugimori, and Anime appearances just don't do it for me. Anyway, it's the mage, and feels sort of like Ninetales+, as Ninetales seems like it should've been part-Psychic as well with all the mystical elements of it. Having two fire foxes isn't an issue either for me, since one goes for a more Japanese-inspired take on them, while the other has a more Eastern feel.

Froakie was met with some resistance I think, because while it has a solid design, yet another Water-type frog didn't really excite folks. But then, in the end, Greninja easily ended up being the most popular Kalos Starter...some may argue TPC sort of pushed his popularity, but even before all the hype with Smash and the Anime, I feel people legitimately liked him the most so I think TPC just accurately predicted people would love a ninja frog. When Froakie was first revealed, a lot of people thought he was supposed to be some sort of composer or scholarly type, but then people figured out his design was supposed to resemble a classic Japanese thief, and most people accurately predicted he'd end up being Ninja-like since frogs have a connection to them and all. Personally I wondered if he was gonna be another Chinese Novel reference and end up referencing the bandits from The Water Margin! The line has a very solid design, ALTHOUGH I do agree losing the bubbles for a tongue scarf was sort of a weird choice, but most folks seem to have grown to just accept it. And now we have the mysterious Ash Greninja...
 

Watch Da Birdie

I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Grass Starters have the greatest hits for me (Sceptile and Torterra), but also Meganium and Serperior who I really don't care for, so highs and lows.

Water Starters are probably the most solid all-around for me, I don't really dislike any of the Water Starters, although they're not really my favorites either.

Fire Starters sort of lose me---Emboar's the only one I really like, Blaziken and Infernape are alright, Charizard isn't really my taste nowadays, there's nothing that catches my interest about Typhlosion, and I just don't like Delphox.

I'd love to see a Bug-secondary type Starter since they're cool animals, but I don't know if we ever will---Bug/Grass, Bug/Fire, and Bug/Water would all offset the Type Triangle, so you can't use that as the Base Form Type, yet Bug's one of those types I can't see you really giving a Pokemon down its evolutionary line since it's sort of an "ingrained Type" unless they got creative.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
Emboar is secretly the best starter in the series when it comes to just running through the game. Heat Crash is broken against most wild pokemon, and it has a great level up moveset plus good access to a wide variety of tms.

Feraligatr is also a complete monster if you include breeding for egg moves into the mix and are playing the remakes.
 

brinstar

Member
I usually pick Grass. Gen 3 is the only time I didn't, where I started with Torchic. Torterra was definitely my favorite starter to play the main story with. What a monster.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
I usually pick Grass. Gen 3 is the only time I didn't, where I started with Torchic. Torterra was definitely my favorite starter to play the main story with. What a monster.

You can't go wrong with any of the Sinnoh starters. It's easily my favorite group as a whole.
 

spiritfox

Member
Torterra is the best. He's a freaking world tortoise man. Too bad Grass/Ground is super weak to Ice, if not I'll use him more.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
where are people getting Chesnaught is naked

he's wearing armor! It's the whole reason his color is different from his pre-evo! You can even see the "lines" of the armor! It's why his name in Japanese means brigidane!

people laugh and go "lewd!" when I say this in /vp/, but it's true, Chesnaught is wearing a full body shell armor, that if you actually strip him, you'll see the brown body Chespin and Quilladin have!

also he's the cutest!

XF7Pk7C.png
 

lupinko

Member
I am. If we're to do this it would be best to do multiple games though. 'Cuz shipping.

Makes sense, it can be arranged. Besdes Emerald what other games were you interested in? And I'd like to keep it Pokemon since used copies are dirt cheap.

I could load your game of Emerald up with the events and other fun stuff.

Like Celebi and Jirachi. I think the former is part of the Hoenn dex as #0, if I'm wrong then just Jirachi then.
 
Makes sense, it can be arranged. Besdes Emerald what other games were you interested in? And I'd like to keep it Pokemon since used copies are dirt cheap.

I could load your game of Emerald up with the events and other fun stuff.

Like Celebi and Jirachi. I think the former is part of the Hoenn dex as #0, if I'm wrong then just Jirachi then.
Planned order of future purchases was Emerald -> White -> HG, Colosseum, or LG/FR actually.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Gaming is making my head hurt.

How come there are adamant people, no matter how much you tell them that Nintendo doesn't own Pokemon to even 50%, you still get people not to believe it.
 

lupinko

Member
Planned order of future purchases was Emerald -> White -> HG, Colosseum, or LG/FR actually.

I can pick those up for you. White is the cheapest like less than 600¥, all the other games are less than ¥2000, with the exception of Emerald which is usually a little over ¥2000. XY carts are also really cheap, it's funny that Emerald and the Kanto and Johto remakes cost more.

But I don't mind setting you up with a new game with cool stuff to start with, I can even rng you a shiny starter along with a traded RNGed shiny Beldum, a Wishmaker Jirachi and if he can go in, Celebi. It's RS that doesn't have the restriction once traded with a restored RS machine FRLG save. And I'd enable the Emerald events for your enjoyment too.

Yeah I'm that hardcore when it comes to spoiling. Lol
 
We'll talk about this soon-ish I suppose. :p

But man, the most "expensive" game is, post-USD conversion, still cheaper than the cheapest game over here IIRC. That's ridiculous. lol
 

lupinko

Member
We'll talk about this soon-ish I suppose. :p

But man, the most "expensive" game is, post-USD conversion, still cheaper than the cheapest game over here IIRC. That's ridiculous. lol

Yeah, and for everything pre-5 last I checked on Craigslist both sides of the border (I had friends in the US help me find older games too) is really expensive for old used games. Pokemon holds its value really well, also the fact that there bootleg GBA and DS carts complicates the situation unfortunately.
 
Does anyone know if in Japan the Jumbo Substitute Plush is common and gets restock often? I'm asking because I really want one before it get's sold out again but I need to fix my car so I can't waste $150 on a plush right now x_x
 

brinstar

Member
Gaming is making my head hurt.

How come there are adamant people, no matter how much you tell them that Nintendo doesn't own Pokemon to even 50%, you still get people not to believe it.

Going into any Pokemon thread on Gaming side is a fool's errand. You have to sift through a maze of people somehow still not over going to Kanto or battling Red in G/S or people exaggerating the technical issues Gen 6 has to absurd levels before you're even going to find someone willing to have a conversation.
 

lupinko

Member
Does anyone know if in Japan the Jumbo Substitute Plush is common and gets restock often? I'm asking because I really want one before it get's sold out again but I need to fix my car so I can't waste $150 on a plush right now x_x

No it's not common, unless they decide to rerelease it, when it's out of stock it's out of stock.

Source: Me.

http://i.imgur.com/5paZWwr.jpg

I took this February of this year.
 
Going into any Pokemon thread on Gaming side is a fool's errand. You have to sift through a maze of people somehow still not over going to Kanto or battling Red in G/S or people exaggerating the technical issues Gen 6 has to absurd levels before you're even going to find someone willing to have a conversation.
Or exaggerate the effort required to turn the Exp. Share off.
 

Busaiku

Member
Gaming is making my head hurt.

How come there are adamant people, no matter how much you tell them that Nintendo doesn't own Pokemon to even 50%, you still get people not to believe it.
Nintendo does own Pokémon though.
In some crazy scenario where Gamefreak, Creatures, and The Pokémon Company, magically got all related shares from Nintendo and nothing else changed because everyone was hit with the stupid, they couldn't really do anything. They can't make any new games or release any new merchandise.
Nintendo could continue to create games in the franchise though. Not too sure if they can release merchandise though.
Nintendo can't/doesn't really do anything about the millions of blatant Pokémon ripoff, but if those companies created an yellow mouse that discharges, you can bet Nintendo would go after them.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Still it's better and easier to call TPCi its own thing.

Also Olympia hype.

>Does Olympia even know where Ash's journey will take him next...!?

>SCOOP 2: She can see anyones future!? >Challenging the Anistar Gym!!

>Ash challenges the Anistar Gym for the 7th badge! His opponent is Olympia, who is said to have the power to predict the future. If she can see through any strategy... Ash is in real trouble!?

>Olympia: The Gym Leader of Anistar Gym. She has a mysterious air to her, as if she can predict absolutely everything.

>She uses the "Future Sight", which deals damage a while after being used!

>Does Olympia even know where Ash's journey will take him next...!?

>She uses the Psychic type move "Helping Hand" to increase the power of "Future Sight"!

>Ash: What should we do!?

she has the power of the monado confirmed /s
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
was Future Sight depicted in the anime before? In this fight a screenshot shows a mystical countdown number of sorts.
 
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