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GaimeGuy said:Because a huge portion of her cash inflow is designated for the GE
Not only that, she is also running a pretty high debt load.
GaimeGuy said:Because a huge portion of her cash inflow is designated for the GE
GhaleonEB said:Finally, an Oregon poll, and from SUSA no less.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportPopup.aspx?g=e70ecbfe-c65e-4f34-a030-1d9c805f6b35&q=45558
Obama by 10, 52-42.![]()
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I'm kind of a computer noob,so I really don't know how.Insertia said:can you post higher res links to those? They're stunning.
AdmiralViscen said:Someone unban cooltrick
Today could be a very important day for Obama... or a horrible one.bob_arctor said:What's Petreaus up to nowadays? Isn't he giving the Congress "straight talk" this week or something? I wonder how many times McCain will make him speak about how successful the surge was.
Mmph... so good.maynerd said:
In the days and weeks ahead, the Barack Obama campaign is going to pose a simple question to the undecided voters and undeclared superdelegates who will decide the Democratic nomination for president: If Hillary Clinton cant run a good primary campaign, how is she ever going to run a good campaign against the Republicans?
And while she [Hillary] says she is ready from Day One to be president, she is at something like Day 430 into being a presidential candidate and her campaign seems to be going from bad to worse to train wreck.
Mark Penn, who just got booted as her chief strategist, is only the latest problem in a campaign that has been heavy on drama and light on results.
None of these folks have ever run anything, other than Hillary running a health care task force, David Axelrod, Obamas chief strategist, told me Monday. But these campaigns are big, complicated, pressure-filled enterprises, and it is an important proving ground.
The Obama campaign is going to tell voters it is proving itself every day. It says it had a calm and deliberate strategy that it has executed well: Win Iowa (I will write more about this in my next column) and then aggregate delegates.
Mark [Penn] said, This is about delegates, Axelrod said. But to get them, you have to compete for them in caucuses and primaries. We had an army of eager and willing volunteers in every state, and we were able to rally and marshal them.
Penn is a master of identifying subsets within the electorate. He wrote a book called Microtrends and talked about such things as Archery Moms and Impressionable Elites and Caffeine Crazies.
But Obama has openly derided the slicing and dicing of the electorate and has concentrated on one major theme: change. He promises to change the way Washington works.
Clinton has a theme, too: experience. She knows how Washington works. But there is a built-in downside to that.
In a year when people are rightly jaundiced about the ways of Washington, a strategy that has at its core that you are the ultimate Washington insider seemed ill-conceived to me, Axelrod said.
Three months ago, I wrote there was a risk in Clintons having Penn as both her pollster and top strategist. There is a natural tendency for someone who holds both positions to say the strategy cant be wrong because the polling cant be wrong, I wrote. And sometimes you need a strategist who is willing to say, I dont care what the damn polling says, we need to try something different.
Penn was not that person. And the Clinton campaign never really tried anything different. Clinton did show a little human emotion in New Hampshire, a state she narrowly won, but then she went back to being an issues machine.
And then there was her vote for the war in Iraq. I dont care what Penns polling showed; Clintons refusal to say that her vote was a mistake and apologize for it has seriously hurt her with activist Democrats, those who vote in primaries and especially those who turn out in caucuses.
Axelrod told me that at a meeting in January 2007, a few weeks before Obama announced his candidacy, Obama assembled his top staff and laid down three predicates for the campaign.
First, it was to be a campaign based on grass-roots politics, Axelrod said. Second, there was to be no drama, that we were all on the same team. And third, the campaign should be joyful. That has really happened.
Axelrod is not, to put it mildly, a neutral observer. And I imagine the Obama campaign has not been all that joyful during the Jeremiah Wright controversy. (A controversy that, I believe, we have not heard the last of.)
But when you are ahead in delegates and behind in drama, it is a lot easier to have a smile on your face.
It is real hard to win a campaign if everybody is unhappy every day, Axelrod said.
OK, so the Obama campaign is happy and the Clinton campaign is not. So what?
You can tell a lot about a candidate by the campaign they run, Axelrod said.
And this is the pitch the Obama campaign is going to make in the weeks ahead, especially to those superdelegates who are still on the fence: Obama has run a good primary campaign, which is a sign that he will run a good general election campaign, and then a good presidency. Clinton, the Obama campaign will say, cannot make the same argument.
Hillary is a bad manager, a senior Obama aide told me. Does it really look like she could deal with the Republicans?
I am not in any way declaring victory, Axelrod said. One of the Clinton campaigns biggest mistakes was they declared victory months before the campaign began. But these campaigns are a test not just of a candidates managerial skills but how they handle the vicissitudes of the process. It is a good barometer.
tanod said:I like how McCain co-opted Hilary's "Ready on Day 1" slogan. It's on all his banners now.
Piper Az said:From Quinnipiac University poll:
Pennsylvania
Clinton 50
Obama 44
error 2.7
theBishop said:running on experience was always a boneheaded decision for Clinton.
Remember, the Wizard Chuck Todd says add 4% onto any poll for Hillary due to the fact the PA machine is behind her and PA is a machine state.Piper Az said:From Quinnipiac University poll:
Pennsylvania
Clinton 50
Obama 44
error 2.7
WaPo said:Clinton Told True Tale of Woe, Says Kin
The aunt of a young pregnant woman who died after a hospital told her she needed to pay $100 up front for care said in an interview on Monday that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has been telling the story accurately on the campaign trail -- following claims by a different Ohio hospital that it did not turn the patient away. [...]
It was a non-story anyway as she was only repeating what a fairly reliable source told her and most of these anecdotes never get vetted, though they should be when possible. Still, even based on that article she didn't get all the facts right.APF said:
Well huh. Then the media should get off her jock about it and maybe shine the light on the hospital.APF said:
I'm not blaming them for not putting more effort into verifying the story, but clearly they could have done more as it appears they did not contact the family for one. It's pretty obvious as they didn't even try to fight back but rather immediately agreed to stop telling the story.APF said:syllogism: as I mentioned yesterday, the campaign tried to verify as much as they could, but obviously things like medical records won't be released to a political campaign for propaganda purposes.
syllogism said:I'm not blaming them for not putting more effort into verifying the story, but clearly they could have done more as it appears they did not contact the family for one. It's pretty obvious as they didn't even try to fight back.
APF said:syllogism: as I mentioned yesterday, the campaign tried to verify as much as they could, but obviously things like medical records won't be released to a political campaign for propaganda purposes.
Oh Noes!1!1Cheebs said:WHAT THE FUCK?
SurveyUSA, widely considered the gold standard in polls this election release a new PA poll today.
They said Hillary INCREASED her lead over the last week from 12% to 18%.
The problem is SurveyUSA tends to not be random, they are considered the most stable one there is. Which is why this is mind boggling.scorcho said:oh no! how can i masturbate to polls now when they're all so random!
Clearly Obama campaign has to figure out what caused the shift and reverse itscorcho said:oh no! how can i masturbate to polls now when they're all so random!
Yeah, actually it was NPR that I primarily had in mind when I made that statement.Mifune said:This morning NPR was saying Clinton is an extreme long shot to win the nomination. If you've been listening to NPR at all over the last couple months, you'll know that what you say about news outlets coming back to reality is definitely true.
Funny it took Mark Penn getting the axe for them to realize this.
Cheebs said:WHAT THE FUCK?
SurveyUSA, widely considered the gold standard in polls this election release a new PA poll today.
They said Hillary INCREASED her lead over the last week from 12% to 18%.
Cheebs said:WHAT THE FUCK?
SurveyUSA, widely considered the gold standard in polls this election release a new PA poll today.
They said Hillary INCREASED her lead over the last week from 12% to 18%.
siamesedreamer said:I heard on Fox and Friends this morning (don't ask) that Obama said he has more experience than Hillary AND McCain. Can anyone verify that?
""Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain," Obama said," is the quotesiamesedreamer said:I heard on Fox and Friends this morning (don't ask) that Obama said he has more experience than Hillary AND McCain. Can anyone verify that?
syllogism said:He said it in a fund raiser and was talking about foreign relations experience in the sense he knows about the other cultures having lived abroad
Obama said:"Nobody is entirely prepared for being Commander-in-Chief. The question is when the 3 AM phone call comes do you have somebody who has the judgment, the temperament to ask the right questions, to weigh the costs and benefits of military action, who insists on good intelligence, who is not going to be swayed by the short-term politics. By most criteria, I've passed those tests and my two opponents have not."
WASHINGTON (Map, News) - A D.C. Council member and unpledged Democratic delegate has withdrawn his prominent public support for Sen. Hillary Clinton, preferring instead to be listed as undecided in the race for the nomination.
Ward 5 D.C. Councilman Harry Thomas Jr. was elected last week by the D.C. Democratic State Committee as a delegate to the national convention. Thomas, who had previously endorsed Clinton, was listed as a Clinton backer on a delegate spreadsheet circulated Monday by the committee.
But by the end of the day, the party had retracted that announcement, and Thomas was switched to simply “unpledged.”
“He wants to confer with the party,” said Vicky Leonard-Chambers, Thomas’ spokeswoman.
Tamanon said:Yeah, knowledge instead of experience was what he was pushing, par for the course.
BTW, another super goes back to undecided for Hillary.
http://www.examiner.com/a-1326716~D_C__councilman_no_longer_member_of_Clinton_camp.html
And this Petraeus hearing is pretty annoying so far.
What's strange is that SUSA is literally the outlier in the recent polling. I'm sure there's going to be another round (or two) done before the election. But given SUSA's accuracy in the past, that's alarming.Cheebs said:WHAT THE FUCK?
SurveyUSA, widely considered the gold standard in polls this election release a new PA poll today.
They said Hillary INCREASED her lead over the last week from 12% to 18%.
Cheebs said:They said Hillary INCREASED her lead over the last week from 12% to 18%.
maximum360 said:I wasn't able to see it. Any useful information out of it so far or is it just a question-dodging session?