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[Alexios]

I like how people discussing PS/PS2 just resort to sales to "prove" some contemporary system/game people may love factually sucks but somehow that sales correlation didn't happen when it came time for Wii, that's totally the only time popularity (or lack of) didn't necessarily match merit!!1

 

[kiphalfton]

If you two want to believe that in 13 years of production that Sony didn't replace, lose, have damaged in transport, stolen or gave away any more than 636,884 consoles allowing them to sell at least 160,000,001 consoles then that's fine. I'll think the number etched in the picture has to be incorrect if they did sell 160 million.

Somebody pays for it directly or indirectly whether it's lost, stolen, damaged, etc. Whether Sony wants to call it a "sell" well that's a whole other thing.

 

[Badlucktroll]

When are they going to emulate ps3 on ps5?! not this streaming bullpucky

 

[Spiral1407]

160 million dvd players. Not saying that it wouldn’t have done well without it. But the first entree level lowest priced dvd player during first launch years at the time helped a lot. Some individuals just bought it for that, not a game machine.

The 1.5bn in software sales says otherwise

 

[mèx]

Moving goalposts, uh.

Last Sony console I owned, those were the good times. I still have all my PS2 game boxes stored away, should start checking for disc rot...

 

[jm89]

Where have I said otherwise? I want to know the exact total of sold PS2s, that picture claims they produced over 160 million but by such a small amount that it's unlikely they could have sold 160 million. So let's ignore it and go back to my original post.

"If they know the total, they should say the total."

 

[bender]

When will the lies END!?

 

[Kvally]

What lies?

I was just mocking Jim Ryan

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

 

[FinalBossWithTheMostPower]

I thought this was some sort of a lead-in for PS2 mini announcement.

 

[Topher]

Where have I said otherwise? I want to know the exact total of sold PS2s, that picture claims they produced over 160 million but by such a small amount that it's unlikely they could have sold 160 million. So let's ignore it and go back to my original post.

"If they know the total, they should say the total."

So you think retailers out there are just sitting on 600k unopened PS2 out in the wild? That make zero sense.

They know the total. It is 160 million.

 

[Hookshot]

Somebody pays for it directly or indirectly whether it's lost, stolen, damaged, etc.

I buy a PS2, it gets the YLOD, they send me a new one. Sony produced 2 consoles but I only purchased 1 console, apparently they only produced 160.6 million consoles but are claiming they sold 160 million of them.

The likely answer is that, the picture is nonsense and they produced millions more than sold because of all the issues we've mentioned. They can say exactly how many were sold but are choosing not to.

 

[Gaiff]

Where have I said otherwise? I want to know the exact total of sold PS2s, that picture claims they produced over 160 million but by such a small amount that it's unlikely they could have sold 160 million. So let's ignore it and go back to my original post.

"If they know the total, they should say the total."

They’re reporting the numbers as everyone else does. Why do you want them to specifically exclude replacement units when no one else does? They’re all on an even playing field. No one counts the numbers sold without replacement units, so requesting Sony to do it is unreasonable.

 

[Topher]

I buy a PS2, it gets the YLOD, they send me a new one. Sony produced 2 consoles but I only purchased 1 console, apparently they only produced 160.6 million consoles but are claiming they sold 160 million of them.

The likely answer is that, the picture is nonsense and they produced millions more than sold because of all the issues we've mentioned. They can say exactly how many were sold but are choosing not to.

YLOD was PS3, not PS2.

 

[kiphalfton]

So you think retailers out there are just sitting on 600k unopened PS2 out in the wild? That make zero sense.

The know the total. It is 160 million.

No, he's trying to argue that RMAs, theft, damage, loss, etc. can't ALL make up that 680k number.

 

[Topher]

No, he's trying to argue that RMAs, theft, damage, loss, etc. can't ALL make up that 680k number.

Either way, it is a bullshit argument

 

[kiphalfton]

I buy a PS2, it gets the YLOD, they send me a new one. Sony produced 2 consoles but I only purchased 1 console, apparently they only produced 160.6 million consoles but are claiming they sold 160 million of them.

The likely answer is that, the picture is nonsense and they produced millions more than sold because of all the issues we've mentioned. They can say exactly how many were sold but are choosing not to.

Just stop.

As I said previously, and as you conveniently left out:

"Whether Sony wants to call it a "sell" well that's a whole other thing."

That's all it is. Nothing more.

 

[Kings Field]

got one at launch because my parents wanted a dvd player and it was the best bang for the buck at the time. I had a PS1 but was mostly a Nintendo kid but once I got the PS2 it was curtains.

 

[Mr Hyde]

Although I'm not too fond of the console, it had a kickass library of games. Some of them are still trapped there, begging to be re-released.

Haunting Ground
Ico
Gregory Horror Show
Stunt Racer
Project Zero 2: Crimson Butterfly
Drakengard
Echo Night

And many more. Get on with it. Show the PS2 library some love.

 

[Banjo64]

Nintendo got Sony shook and this is pretty sad NGL.

 

[Hookshot]

Either way, it is a bullshit argument

I'm not the one who posted a picture claiming they made a mere 600k more than they sold, and that because of the vague "over" qualifier to the 160 million total, it means that possibly they never had a single failure or loss in their entire production pipeline. I said I wanted to know the exact number when some started arguments in their heads and responded to me as if I said what they wanted to reply to.

Re-reading the thread, Daniel Ahmad says 161.8 million might have been sold, which would mean more consoles were sold than manufactured. I don't see any other company managing a trick like that to over take them.

 

[Gaiff]

Re-reading the thread, Daniel Ahmad says 161.8 million might have been sold, which would mean more consoles were sold than manufactured. I don't see any other company managing a trick like that to over take them.

Over* 160 million.

 

[Horseganador]

This has been known for years, only Sony did not confirm it, more than 160 million, one of the best consoles in history, crushed the competition.

 

[Romulus]

Bought ps2 day 1, but ended up liking the Xbox game lineup more. GameCube and Ps2 were tied for 2nd place for me.

6th gen was the best.

 

[Mr Moose]

I'm not the one who posted a picture claiming they made a mere 600k more than they sold, and that because of the vague "over" qualifier to the 160 million total, it means that possibly they never had a single failure or loss in their entire production pipeline. I said I wanted to know the exact number when some started arguments in their heads and responded to me as if I said what they wanted to reply to.

Re-reading the thread, Daniel Ahmad says 161.8 million might have been sold, which would mean more consoles were sold than manufactured. I don't see any other company managing a trick like that to over take them.

Are you saying Daniel is Sony?
Are you intoxicated?

 

[Topher]

I'm not the one who posted a picture claiming they made a mere 600k more than they sold, and that because of the vague "over" qualifier to the 160 million total, it means that possibly they never had a single failure or loss in their entire production pipeline. I said I wanted to know the exact number when some started arguments in their heads and responded to me as if I said what they wanted to reply to.

Re-reading the thread, Daniel Ahmad says 161.8 million might have been sold, which would mean more consoles were sold than manufactured. I don't see any other company managing a trick like that to over take them.

Ahmad's numbers are not official. Sony's are. You don't have to like it, but the official sold number is 160 million.

 

[touchfuzzy]

How many price drops did it need to get there vs. how many price drops Switch has had (0).

 

[SweetTooth]

Legendary console, total phenomenon in the early 2000s.

Also imagine if its successor didn't appear mearly 6 years in its lifespan, its sales would be even greater than 160m

 

[LavitzSlambert]

But how many were actually sold, vs produced and shipped numbers!?!?!?!?

 

[MrJangles]

I have a love/hate relationship with the ps2. On the one hand it has an unreal library of all-time classics but on the other it was my primary console when my interest in console gaming started to wane. I never really know what to think about it when I'm asked.

 

[bender]

I'm not the one who posted a picture claiming they made a mere 600k more than they sold, and that because of the vague "over" qualifier to the 160 million total, it means that possibly they never had a single failure or loss in their entire production pipeline. I said I wanted to know the exact number when some started arguments in their heads and responded to me as if I said what they wanted to reply to.

Re-reading the thread, Daniel Ahmad says 161.8 million might have been sold, which would mean more consoles were sold than manufactured. I don't see any other company managing a trick like that to over take them.

 

[ReyBrujo]

It's so good it keeps selling!

 

[ハトリス]

So you think retailers out there are just sitting on 600k unopened PS2 out in the wild? That make zero sense.

They know the total. It is 160 million.

RMA, Demo units for stores, conventions, expos... 160 million sold when 160.6 million were produced... bullshit
they are scared Nintendo will overtake them.
watch them release a mini ps2 and boost those numbers again when Nintendo is getting closer.
just like avatar re-released in the cinema, when endgame took over. lmao

 

[AngelMuffin]

Impressive but its days are numbered. The Switch is almost 8 years old now and still hasn’t seen its first official price drop. I remember paying $149 for my PS2 Slim in 2007. The only way the Switch doesn’t beat it is if Nintendo decides to stop manufacturing them and focus solely on Switch 2.

 

[Hookshot]

RMA, Demo units for stores, conventions, expos... 160 million sold when 160.6 million were produced... bullshit
they are scared Nintendo will overtake them.
watch them release a mini ps2 and boost those numbers again when Nintendo is getting closer.
just like avatar re-released in the cinema, when endgame took over. lmao

Don't waste your time. They aren't thick enough to not see that, they just want to troll.

 

[DeepEnigma]

RMA, Demo units for stores, conventions, expos... 160 million sold when 160.6 million were produced... bullshit
they are scared Nintendo will overtake them.
watch them release a mini ps2 and boost those numbers again when Nintendo is getting closer.
just like avatar re-released in the cinema, when endgame took over. lmao

 

[lockdown2222]

I was a Nintendo, Xbox and PC kid during the PS2 era; if I were to pick it up now what top 10 games should I get with it?

 

[Topher]

RMA, Demo units for stores, conventions, expos... 160 million sold when 160.6 million were produced... bullshit
they are scared Nintendo will overtake them.
watch them release a mini ps2 and boost those numbers again when Nintendo is getting closer.
just like avatar re-released in the cinema, when endgame took over. lmao

Nonsense. PS2 continued selling after Sony last announced numbers for the console in March 2012. Daniel Ahmad estimated the number to be around 160 million last March based on Sony's prior reporting.



RMA, Demo units for stores, conventions, expos apply to all consoles, not just PS2.

 

[yogaflame]

Emotion engine is the goat! Shadow hearts is the game that i enjoyed so much with Ps2.

 

[IFireflyl]

How many price drops did it need to get there vs. how many price drops Switch has had (0).

The only thing this post says is that Nintendo will always price gouge their userbase because they know their userbase is made up of people like you. You shouldn't be celebrating getting ripped off.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

dont really care for the ps2, but have to respect it

go team purple dingleberry

 

[yogaflame]

I was a Nintendo, Xbox and PC kid during the PS2 era; if I were to pick it up now what top 10 games should I get with it?

1. FFX
2. Shadow hearts ( the best for me)
3. Okami
4. Ico
5. Shadow of Collosus
6. GTA San Andreas and GTA Vice city
7. MGS 2
8. Socom
9. Devil may cry
10. God of war 1 & 2

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

PS6 needs a modern EE and GS

 

[bender]

2. Shadow hearts ( the best for me)

More games need the Judgement Ring and/or penis monsters.

 

[yogaflame]

PS6 needs a modern EE and GS

3rd Developers complained that the EE, GS and the Cell was very complicated but they are actually very good design and architecture that even medical field has use this tech. I hope PS will go back to its own custom designed CPU and GPU, but this time it not be that difficult for 3rd party developers.

 

[Woopah]

RMA, Demo units for stores, conventions, expos... 160 million sold when 160.6 million were produced... bullshit
they are scared Nintendo will overtake them.
watch them release a mini ps2 and boost those numbers again when Nintendo is getting closer.
just like avatar re-released in the cinema, when endgame took over. lmao

PS2 being around 160 million has nothing to do with the Nintendo or Sony being "scared". It was over 160 million before Switch even existed.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

3rd Developers complained that the EE, GS and the Cell was very complicated but they are actually very good design and architecture that even medical field has use this tech. I hope PS will go back to its own custom designed CPU and GPU, but this time it not be that difficult for 3rd party developers.

Devs like x86-64 but as gamers we just lose, that's why we have more pro consoles and fewer games.

PS2 (contrary to popular belief) was the console that had the least correctly used hardware in history

yes it is true, only Shadow of the Colossus, MGS3 and Hitman made decent use of the console, all those 60fps games you know could have been even better at 25~30fps all them. There are many factors, whether related to planning or causality. The initial dev kits were broken, generating games...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Von Hugh]

The GOAT.

But. Nintendo could easily surpass that by dropping the price of Switch to 150 - 200 USD.

 

[jm89]

The GOAT.

But. Nintendo could easily surpass that by dropping the price of Switch to 150 - 200 USD.

With inflation and trumps tariffs on the horizon. I wouldn't be too sure.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

When will the lies END!?

Mam do you have proof this isn't true or is this just trolling?