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PS5 Pro at $700: ‘Lack of Competition’ Made It an ‘Easier Decision’ for Sony to Run With Higher Price
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JimboJones
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They would have definitely ate the cost of including a disk drive if Microsoft offered a similar proposition with a drive.
Although I think even Microsoft would have felt the pressure of trying to cost reduce it by opting to forgo disk drive as well so it may have just played out similarly. At least there is an option with PS5, even if it is a fairly pricey upsell.
Although I think even Microsoft would have felt the pressure of trying to cost reduce it by opting to forgo disk drive as well so it may have just played out similarly. At least there is an option with PS5, even if it is a fairly pricey upsell.
Putonahappyface
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Nordickratos
Neo Member
At 500? Same price as the PS5 and probably a much weaker performing machine... Doubt
Hudo
Member
Playstation HQ is in California, tho.
hououinkyouma00
Member
I wouldn't count on this lol. Nintendo and Sony are basically in two different categories at this point. There is obviously overlap, but the PS only audience aren't going to be convinced to go Nintendo especially when it won't perform close to current consoles besides maybe the Series S.
rabbity-thing
Member
While it's hard to argue that the lack of competition isn't a factor, I don't think it's the largest factor. I think it's less that a lack of competition is driving the price up but more so that competition isn't driving the price down.
At the end of the day, though, the Pro's price will be decided by the consumer. The price will be whatever the market will bear. If enough consumers are fine paying the 700, then it'll stay at 700. If all the talk recently isn't just idle complaining from non-potential customers and the Pro really doesn't sell well, then, yeah, we might see a nice drop or, at the very least, a sku with the disc drive.
This whole thing reminds me of the first days of the 3DS. Nintendo horribly misread the market and bought into their own hype. Thankfully, they were smart enough to quickly course-correct. Time will tell if Sony will end up in a similar place in need of a similar solution.
At the end of the day, though, the Pro's price will be decided by the consumer. The price will be whatever the market will bear. If enough consumers are fine paying the 700, then it'll stay at 700. If all the talk recently isn't just idle complaining from non-potential customers and the Pro really doesn't sell well, then, yeah, we might see a nice drop or, at the very least, a sku with the disc drive.
This whole thing reminds me of the first days of the 3DS. Nintendo horribly misread the market and bought into their own hype. Thankfully, they were smart enough to quickly course-correct. Time will tell if Sony will end up in a similar place in need of a similar solution.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
More like "Lack of games makes it an easier decision for Chuck to avoid"
Senua
Gold Member
What? There is no such card as a 4080 ti, do you mean 4080 super? Secondly that card is £900 new and sells on ebay for like £800. You're talking absolute shite mate.
Monkfish877
Member
Of course it's true, hoping Samsung or someone else enters the market, there's space for a third console that is dedicated to exclusive games now that MS have gone third party.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
It's not crazy to think they'll use some sort of upscaling technology from Nvidia chips to at least get PS4 Pro-level performance. Their teams have learned how to make underpowered hardware sing. I think if people have the new console choice between ~$800 on a PS5 Pro or $400-$500 on a Switch 2, the PS5 Pro will get monkey-stomped by comparison. Of course, the base PS5 will still be popular. If anything, the Pro's price would probably justify a higher price tag from Nintendo internally when they might have just gone with $400 originally.
Consumers will be comparing the two consoles at some point, and graphics aren't a priority for most Nintendo customers. If Sony wants to go after a super-niche whale demo, they're entitled to. But that rationale is also why the PSVR2 flopped terribly until a huge price cut a couple of months ago.
DragonNCM
Member
Sony was always scum company from the days of Walkman till now. If they can they would rise prices to the roof. And now without competition they will do it shamelessly.
Next Sony console will cost more then new gaming midrange PC & this is probably my last PS or Xbox console. PS is flexing muscles & MS gaming & Xbox division circus is run by clowns & monkeys.
Fuck this console bullshit, PC land here I come.
Not_A-Cop_Maybe
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Alebrije
Member
Blame Uncle Phil. Not only reduced Xbox to a joke , Open the way for Sony (at least this generation) for a monopoly.
Nintendo Switch 2 won't hurt Sony since they are on another league.
But this market is.changing a Lot , who knows what PS6 Will be , Microsoft and Nintendo Will be around. Maybe they move full Mobil, stream, cloud,etc.
For the moment Sony is doing whaever they want, obviously consumers have limits for prices and services and Sony Will be tested.
Nintendo Switch 2 won't hurt Sony since they are on another league.
But this market is.changing a Lot , who knows what PS6 Will be , Microsoft and Nintendo Will be around. Maybe they move full Mobil, stream, cloud,etc.
For the moment Sony is doing whaever they want, obviously consumers have limits for prices and services and Sony Will be tested.
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Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
You say that. I'm worried about the domino effect of Nvidia getting away with their asinine pricing, which led Sony to think they could get away with their asinine pricing, which could have Nintendo following suit. I think the Switch 2 at $400 would seem like a steal at this point to most consumers.
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Lokaum D+
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still an Asian company tho.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
They were fine to sell at cost or take a loss for a little bit because it was manifestly growing the audience. The audience has now plateaued, and in emerging markets, it's best to start establishing profitable prices now as opposed to hooking those consumers on subsidized products.
BTW, Sony was making a profit on PS4s six months into the consoles lifespan. Expecting manufacturers to sell 100 million units of hardware even at a 10 dollar loss per unit is absolutely insane.
sainraja
Member
Before we settle down on this being because of no competition, and no doubt that has influenced it to a degree, but, has anyone done an analysis on how much the PS5 Pro is costing Sony and what their profit margin on it is?
If the PS4 Pro only sold like 12 million units as someone else has pointed out to me, then I think it is fair to think that Sony knows the market for a Pro console isn't huge and they don't want to take a loss on it. It is very possible that there wouldn't have been a pro console at all (this was a point made by another poster but I think it is a worth considering).
If the PS4 Pro only sold like 12 million units as someone else has pointed out to me, then I think it is fair to think that Sony knows the market for a Pro console isn't huge and they don't want to take a loss on it. It is very possible that there wouldn't have been a pro console at all (this was a point made by another poster but I think it is a worth considering).
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semiconscious
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lack of competition has little to do with this. apple, which's always had competition, basically created 'tech fetishism', incorporating the 'exorbitant status pricing' system of the fashion industry. sony's just hopping aboard. why not?...
RickMasters
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I heard it was called the PS5 PRO-fit …. because they refuse to and don’t need to sell consoles at a Loss anymore.
Hudo
Member
So you are saying that Asian companies have fanboys that love to take it in the ass?
sainraja
Member
Funny thing is.... if Sony/MS/Nintendo were to adopt the same model as Apple, with yearly updates to their consoles, they could likely keep the prices the same and make profit on it, which would also make it worth while for them. For gamers as well, because they'd have the choice to upgrade whenever they needed to, and have content to play.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
PC's the way to go.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Yep. I never understood people who shill for corporations they don't work for. Sony, Microsoft, Apple, NVIDIA, all these companies would charge your soul for their products if they could. Yet you have idiots who side with them and against the customers.
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PaintTinJr
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Yeah, old habit of not making the distinction between Super and ti other than price/performance, but have gone back and editted.
He bought the whole PC for £2500 all in with extras and 2year warranty and will be lucky to get £1700 back, but yeah that's not his reality, right?
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Bernardougf
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I prefer to pay premium than have MS as competition ... imho nothing good comes from that company .. only shitty ideas like gamepass.
So if paying more is the tax I have to pay to not have to deal with MS shitty practices... its ok by me.
So if paying more is the tax I have to pay to not have to deal with MS shitty practices... its ok by me.
Senua
Gold Member
Well he's a tit for buying an overpriced pre-built.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
A friend of mine went to purchase a PS5 against my better advice. When he got out of the store, he got surrounded by 5 6'6" 300lbs+ dudes wearing Sony t-shirts with guns and baseball bats. They asked him to give up his PS5, but he refused because he had bought it with his hard-earned cash. It then went about exactly as you would expect. A bunch of 7' tall dudes with Steam hoodies barged in and murdered the Sony guys. It was an absolute bloodbath, but thankfully, my friend escaped without a scratch. When it was all over, the Steam dude asked if he was alright. He said yes and thanked them. They said, "Don't thank us, thank Lord Gaben," and stormed off.
When he told me this, I told him that's one of the reasons I'll never switch to console gaming. Console warriors are dangerous as fuck.
My story sounds about as believable as yours.
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Omnipunctual Godot
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I have a gaming PC, a PS5, a Quest 3, a Switch, and an Xbox Series X. I am the demographic for a PS5 Pro and a Switch 2. I wanted a PS5 Pro to replace my PS4 Pro. I think the PS5 Pro is an insulting value proposition at its price and with its lack of basic features.
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CoreyFlawless
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Yeah. The problem tho. Once they had the games. They need to make money back now. Cause they can’t wait for ppl to switch next gen. Cause nobody was gonna do it this gen. Prices are staying high and all.
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
Member
Sony having a monopoly is good for msft.Blame Uncle Phil. Not only reduced Xbox to a joke , Open the way for Sony (at least this generation) for a monopoly.
Nintendo Switch 2 won't hurt Sony since they are on another league.
But this market is.changing a Lot , who knows what PS6 Will be , Microsoft and Nintendo Will be around. Maybe they move full Mobil, stream, cloud,etc.
For the moment Sony is doing whaever they want, obviously consumers have limits for prices and services and Sony Will be tested.
PaintTinJr
Member
I did offer to build it for free with a slightly better parts list to save him £400 on the basic £2250 price, but like a classic console gamer he was too impatient and wanted it yesterday.
So £800 in Sony's hip pocket at 40% mark up is fair game from him for a Pro when of all the tech companies making money from him, only Sony don't get easy money and give him the most. Even Nintendo make more from him for less.
It's an option premium product he'll get more value from and probably even trade against his PS6 purchase.
Rudius
Member
You always post the same shit about the PS5 Pro.
What is happening is not new on the PC space: NVidia has being milking consumer for years now, since AND can't really compete on the same level.
Rudius
Member
We both know Nintendo's games are also "available" there, but they keep leaving money on the pocket.
PaintTinJr
Member
I take it you missed my discussion with Topher back at the time the week after he got the PC when I was asked to troubleshoot why he couldn't get it to use bluetooth?
If my gaf search foo was any good I would have found it and quoted it here.
Insane Metal
Member
It also makes the consumer decision not to buy it easier.
hououinkyouma00
Member
Oh I'm right there with you (PS5/PC/Switch and every other PS console/handheld + Xbox 360). I'm also the demographic for both PS5 Pro and Switch 2 but what I'm saying is I highly doubt many consumers who are set on a PS5 or Pro will suddenly switch over to Nintendo once a Switch 2 is announced.
Nintendo won't be "fucking them into the dirt" as the two won't overlap enough to make enough consumers have to choose between the two. Plus the Switch 2 power wise will be nowhere close to PS5 Pro or even PS5 so while there may be more game overlap it won't mirror.
Now they will probably have a much better response then Sony, mostly because there is no chance in hell that a Switch 2 is anywhere close to $700. Plus Nintendo fans rim Nintendo so deep that even if Nintendo starts shitting down their throat they will still continue eating (I saw that mostly kidding, but we know Nintendo fans are very uh "passionate").
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Vick
Member
Eh. No point in doing this now, give it a bit of time for the hysteria to wear off. It's even impossible at the moment to discern who's genuinely concerned about a $699 complete machine playing current gen games at 4K and 60fps (including a GT7 at 8K 60fps), some with even additional RT on top at the same time:
It appears there's RT shadows on Pro, as seen from the tree in the background, which is a feature absent on the original version.
And who's simply fueling the hysteria, or calling people retards, for other reasons.
I'd bet it's all going to be different once comparisons start rolling, as there's a good chance we're in the "RDNA 1.5 9TF PS5 Power of the SSD Cerny lies" phase right now.
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semiconscious
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i'm not so sure there'd be the same market for annual consoles as there is for annual phones. especially if they ran the same games. ps4 pro sales comprised roughly 12% of ps4 sales: https://www.ampereanalysis.com/insight/ps5-pro-sony-pulls-its-pro-strategy-lever-to-engage-playstation-enthusiasts#:~:text=According%20to%20Ampere%20data%2C%20over,12%25%20of%20total%20PS4%20sales
Jibran#one
Member
I honestly think Phil damaged the Xbox brand more than don matick the kinect and always online bullshit guy.
And now we are here where Sony is asking ridiculous money for a mid gen console and buy ur own stand If u want at 800 euros
And now we are here where Sony is asking ridiculous money for a mid gen console and buy ur own stand If u want at 800 euros
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
Well, even if you take a sales comparison out of the equation, Nintendo has the opportunity to turn Sony's PR loss into an even bigger PR win for themselves, and that's going to uplift their brand image in general while further lowering Sony's by comparison.
Crayon
Member
Oh, definitely. Xbox waiving the white flag, weak selection of <$300 gpus, switch 2 a mystery, streaming off to a slow start. And all of those things have been going on for a long time now.
I can see why they can't price drop the base ps5 but there is NO FUCKING WAY there's an extra $250 worth of stuff in there. Sony wants those margins. There's enough people for whom $700 is an impulse buy (must be nice) that sony sacrificed everyone else. If any competitor would have been stronger, sony would have not been able to do this.
Well... maybe they would have done it anyway idk. Seems counter-intuitive though.
Anyway, it's a bummer but play on whatever platform is a good value TO YOU and all will be well. My pc is not big money (maybe $1000?) and it's enough to run wukong at 60. That's a chunk more expensive but the important thing is that I already have it, making this pro somewhat redundant.
I can see why they can't price drop the base ps5 but there is NO FUCKING WAY there's an extra $250 worth of stuff in there. Sony wants those margins. There's enough people for whom $700 is an impulse buy (must be nice) that sony sacrificed everyone else. If any competitor would have been stronger, sony would have not been able to do this.
Well... maybe they would have done it anyway idk. Seems counter-intuitive though.
Anyway, it's a bummer but play on whatever platform is a good value TO YOU and all will be well. My pc is not big money (maybe $1000?) and it's enough to run wukong at 60. That's a chunk more expensive but the important thing is that I already have it, making this pro somewhat redundant.
EmberMarkus
Neo Member
Sorry but had the customer to do? Buy games that do not appeal to him because if Xbox dies Sony will monopoly? Why it was not the other way around? Xbox making games that the customer wanted to play so they could stay in competition with Sony. It's not the customer fault that Xbox failed to deliver.
Fbh
Member
Yeah it's definitely a part of it. I've been saying it for a long time but as someone who has primarily played on Playsation for the last 15 years I never understood why so many fans wanted Xbox to fail.
What did people think was going to happen when Sony had less competition? They were going to lower the prices and become super consumer friendly? lol
What did people think was going to happen when Sony had less competition? They were going to lower the prices and become super consumer friendly? lol