Considering the performance cost of PSSR it’s likely. WMMA has some good upgrades coming in RDNA4. Is possible Sony implemented some custom NPU, but why bother? RDNA4 WMMA covers everything you need and even includes support for Sparsity.
Compared to what? a 4080? 4090? I have seen a 3070 needing 1.5ms to upscale 1080p to 4K with DLSS3.7. Not far from PS5 Pro. And they'll likely reduce that time as said in the leaked slides.
Well you answered your question yourself. Even a 3070 (a weaker GPU) from 4 years ago does the upscaling faster. A 4080 is even faster then that. We are of course talking about smallish differences here, if the upscaler was too heavy there would simply be no point. On PC XeSS is more expensive to run vs DLSS as it doesn’t run on a Nvidia GPU Tensor cores, but it’s not some sort of vast gulf between them.
I personally expect PSSR rendering time to further increase. Let's say, if the rendering time is about 2 ms now, it will get to 3.5 ms in no time, maybe in a few months. I just can't bring myself to believe that Sony engineers can improve anthing. Those aren't Nvidia ones.
Counter point: The fact that devs have started offering more options means we get more games with VRR modes/uncapped framerate options, future profing them for backwards compatibility boost on next gen consoles.
eh, not worth it, and it's a total mess anyway (not like every game has these uncapped/dynamic options).
Here a DLAA shot showing the missing branches with DLSS are supposed to be there.
While the above fur shots are not direct comparisons with DLSS, it's currently impossible on PC to get rid of this kind of dithered fur edges PSSR is resolving.
For the time being DLSS looks like it has a stability advantage, and could be producing slightly sharper results. But when it comes to the latter it's hard to tell for sure because sharpness setting in Ratchet don't match, and AW2 pictures are sourced differently.
On the other hand PSSR would appear to better handle aliasing, and has a more convincing fur rendering along with, in some ways, vegetation.
Hey brother, Part 1 was the first PSSR game I've tried and I had my jaw on the floor. The final result is entirely dependent on their choices pre-PSSR pass (like their sharpness filter), but I I've found the image to be perfect on my panel. Absolutely insane IQ, I was legitimately shocked to see this kind of image at 60fps with impeccable solidity and stability while panning. Could you please post an equivalent of one of these screenshots on your PC, for comparison?
Max grain is enabled on all of these screenshots unfortunately as it does impact the image a little, but click on them and zoom to see full size level of detail, here an example:
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You can notice how their choices dictated the final result, but damn it's so damn appealing to me in motion. All the issues I had with the recent patch on base PS5 (removal/alteration of their TAA, oversharpen look, less color shades, dithered hair) are completely gone while playing in Pro Mode. Below comparison was made from compressed jpg screenshots:
PSSR does such a great job at solving those kind of issues:
Only issues I have at the moment with its current version is how it doesn't perfectly resolve stuff like dust micro particles in Part I, as they blur and trail a little, and same for water alpha transparencies. But as for the rest it's a complete game changer for console gaming.
According leaks, first PSSR version was over 3ms, the improved to 2ms, and it’s expected to improve more.
Source of the 3ms claim?
Couldn't disagree more.
Yeah I saw those as well, it's not only a matter of compression but especially the fact they are not from PSSR mode. You would never see those hair artifacts on Pro mode (nor on Base PS5 before the latest patch for that matter, nor in their PS4 games and not even their PS3 ones).Here are TLOU screenshots that I have seen:
Your screenshots look much better though, so I guess it was just too much jpg compression rather than PSSR blurring details.
Many, many thanks for taking the time mate. This is one precious comparison and it highlights some very interesting stuff. I'm quite impressed by PSSR honestly.
Yeah, i agree. Certainly amongst the best, that's why it was a sarcastic post, maybe a bit too subtle.
The PS5Pro offers amazing value considering what people are getting. I'm surprised PSSR image quality looks the same as DLSS in "The Last of Us 1 Remake", but our comparison proves that. The image quality looks like 4K native and the game runs at 4K 60fps. On my PC I get 120fps with similar settings (Ultra, 4K DLSSQ), but I paid $2500 for my PC while the PS5Pro is only $700. I'm very impressed with the PS5Pro.
This is what engineers do. They optimize. They already think they will lower that time so it means they know how to achieve that goal. If it's above 2ms it will be too costly and won't be used by developers. And models will get betters so the quality will improve because they'll have years more of training.
Damn how times have changed, marketing can do magic…. Native still better by a country mile, having a small amount of cases that are equal to native doesn’t means is better. BTW, i am not saying it’s a good solution, because it’s, but don’t get confused 4KR its not better than native 4K, especially out of Nvidia umbrella.
I agree, WNMA.
I have seen a number of games where AI based image reconstruction looked better than native TAA (BTW. PSSR / DLSS are not exactly upscalers, upscaling only resizes the image and cannot add any new detail, while AI based image reconstruction like PSSR / DLSS does exactly that).
This was a game I was waiting for to come to PC. But with that PSSR and frame cap increase- nope. Going to dive in after Christmas
I’d be laughing too because what the hell is DLLS?Better than fsr is not something to be proud of, on par with DLLS?
Indeed. I saw none of that in my playthrough. One of few games that has nearly reached what we achieve as artists in the offline world.
Here are TLOU screenshots that I have seen:
Your screenshots look much better though, so I guess it was just too strong jpg compression rather than PSSR blurring details. Your screenshots look comparable to DLSS.
