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[rofif]

Probably on par with Days Gone as most divisive game in recent memory...to a lot of people it's an 8-9 and to a lot of people it's a 5-6 one things for sure it's absolutely stunning on the new ps5pro deserves it's own video

It’s an amazing setting and production values but the combat gets very repetitive, you spend too much time in the vents and story disappoints.

Aw2 is much better but controls much worse. Remedy can’t do controller aiming

 

[Wishmaster92]

It’s a patch to a mediocre game. It’s covered in a section of the direct tomorrow. It’s less exciting then you’d expect.

How is it not exciting? The 8k mode looks pre rendered at times.

 

[Draugoth]

Tread lightly. You don't want to end up like @adamsapple or Draugoth competing with me.

They still haven't been found.

Too busy S.T.A.L.K.I.N.G

Too busy beeing sick and trapped in my bed

 

[SKYF@ll]

i honestly dont know how you can release a console thats just 30-35% more powerful.

Many PS5 OG games optimized for 36 CUs have a 30-35% boost (limited by weak Zen 2).
If developers optimize for the PS5 Pro's 60 CUs, performance will likely improve even further with the added memory bandwidth and RT improvements.
Some games have even come out with benchmarks that exceed the 45% GPU increase that Cerny mentioned.

 

[saintjules]

They are in no hurry to do Callisto huh lol

 

[Gaiff]

Many PS5 OG games optimized for 36 CUs have a 30-35% boost (limited by weak Zen 2).
If developers optimize for the PS5 Pro's 60 CUs, performance will likely improve even further with the added memory bandwidth and RT improvements.
Some games have even come out with benchmarks that exceed the 45% GPU increase that Cerny mentioned.

This is definitely misleading showing a moment where it goes past 45%. Richard tested Elden Ring and the average was around 30% with moments dropping much lower. What we need to know is the sustained difference, not a split second one.

 

[Fafalada]

Plus cost of PSSR appears to be eat that 30% more power.

Can we please not use %s that aren't representative of anything?
PSSR costs '30%' of a frame when you're around 120fps.
At 60 it's 15 and at 30 it's around 7.

And that's costs of PSSR reconstructing 4k - we don't know how it scales to lower resolutions (other than it being cheaper - as evidenced by DLSS and others).

 

[TheInfamousKira]

Wait.

Am I not understanding because I can't be bothered to research or have Naughty Dog....made a game....Remastered the game....remade the game....released a sequel...released a remaster of the sequel...and is now bundling them together into one release?

This is just a direct comparison to the two distinct products, right?

 

[SKYF@ll]

This is definitely misleading showing a moment where it goes past 45%. Richard tested Elden Ring and the average was around 30% with moments dropping much lower. What we need to know is the sustained difference, not a split second one.

Looking at the graph, it's not "a moment". * PS5:36-44fps vs. PS5 Pro:53-56fps
The scene I picked out shows the difference in frame rate due to the GPU.　* Quality Mode (RT)
Could you please explain Empire of the Ants and The Callisto Protocol?

 

[Gaiff]

Looking at the graph, it's not "a moment". * PS5:36-44fps vs. PS5 Pro:53-56fps
The scene I picked out shows the difference in frame rate due to the GPU.　* Quality Mode (RT)
Could you please explain Empire of the Ants and The Callisto Protocol?

Yes, it is a moment. Richard from DF analyzed the whole thing and it was around 30-35%. It was not 45%. That 45% is a cherry-picked moment.

Without internal resolution and frame rates, I cannot tell anything for Callisto Protocol or Empire of the Ants. All I know is that multiple games were tested and it was always 30-35%. Elden Ring most definitely wasn’t 45%.

 

[Radical_3d]

Black woman in a prominent role.

I really need an European only forum. EuroGAF.

It's also interesting to see how people perceive over sharpened image with lesser fine detail as something better including the DF's own staff

Yeah, this whole thread is a little embarrassing. Pro mode’s AA works way better than the quality one. But the comparison isn’t fair because I’ve read that they ruined IQ with that filter in a recent patch. What I’d like to know is at what frame rate the quality one runs uncapped.

 

[Kerotan]

yes.

Yeah played the first 2 chapters as Joel and Ellie. Feels like I'm playing a ps6 game. The remake looks so good and performance Pro it runs great.

 

[Gaiff]

Yeah played the first 2 chapters as Joel and Ellie. Feels like I'm playing a ps6 game. The remake looks so good and performance Pro it runs great.

Holy hyperbole.

 

[SKYF@ll]

Yes, it is a moment. Richard from DF analyzed the whole thing and it was around 30-35%. It was not 45%. That 45% is a cherry-picked moment.

I'm not claiming that a PS5 Pro system will give you 45% better performance in PS5 OG games.
It's hard to compare pure GPU benchmarks in CPU-limited, 60fps-capped games.
The scenes I chose show the PS5 OG's GPU screaming.

 

[Gaiff]

I'm not claiming that a PS5 Pro system will give you 45% better performance in PS5 OG games.
It's hard to compare pure GPU benchmarks in CPU-limited, 60fps-capped games.
The scenes I chose show the PS5 OG's GPU screaming.

And I’m saying Elden Ring is definitely not one of those games giving a 45% improvement, so you shouldn’t be using it to prove a point. It falls within 30-35%.

 

[kikii]

patreon ohmyy ...

 

[Ironman_Bad]

These games must have the DF record, right? They must have made 15 videos on both games combined. It's insane how much they milked them.

Two top 20 games all time

 

[Bojji]

Because the 35% is frame rate only. You're not including what the image looks like.

It's zero FPS framerate increase with PSSR on, it's even worse in one scene. So:

- 30% better framerate

OR

- better image quality

 

[mrcroket]

It's zero FPS framerate increase with PSSR on, it's even worse in one scene. So:

- 30% better framerate

OR

- better image quality

30% better framerate at GPU limited scenarios to be precise.

 

[SKYF@ll]

It's zero FPS framerate increase with PSSR on, it's even worse in one scene. So:

- 30% better framerate

OR

- better image quality

PS5: 1440p/60fps TAA Native = PS5 Pro: 1440p/60fps PSSR 4K upscale or 1440p/80fps TAA Native
PSSR is currently a heavy process for games above 60fps, but Sony is working on improving the algorithm.
On a PC, we can choose the optimal mode for gaming, 1440p/DLSS(Q), but with the PS5 Pro, Sony has imposed the heavy curse of 4K output.

 

[SKYF@ll]

While moving, I noticed that the lettering on the signs was clear with PSSR, but I didn't notice the ghosting with DLSS.
AI upscaling seems to be a difficult technology to perfect.

 

[Zathalus]

How is it not exciting? The 8k mode looks pre rendered at times.

It is just a simple resolution bump in the 4k mode and while the 60fps has the added RT features it takes a slight resolution decrease in order to do so. So while it looks good there is nothing technically exciting about it, no PSSR for example.

 

[Zathalus]

While moving, I noticed that the lettering on the signs was clear with PSSR, but I didn't notice the ghosting with DLSS.
AI upscaling seems to be a difficult technology to perfect.

The game still uses DLSS 3.1, I wonder if 3.7/3.8 fixes it. Those include the new preset that has completely replaced all the previous versions and dramatically reduces ghosting. I'd check it myself but I played this game on PS5 and don't have a PC save.

 

[Senua]

Yeah played the first 2 chapters as Joel and Ellie. Feels like I'm playing a ps6 game. The remake looks so good and performance Pro it runs great.

It's a fucking PS4 game lmao. You are gonna be blown away when ND actually makes a proper PS5 game without considering last gen.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

The game still uses DLSS 3.1, I wonder if 3.7/3.8 fixes it. Those include the new preset that has completely replaced all the previous versions and dramatically reduces ghosting. I'd check it myself but I played this game on PS5 and don't have a PC save.

I tested the game with the 3.7.2 DLSS and I still saw this ghosting. I only saw it like 4 times (so it wasnt annyoing), and when I reloaded the save I havent seen ghosting again looking at the same place when I could see it before.

As for DLSS ghosting in general, I dont see it all in most DLSS games (at least with the 3.7.2 DLL). I saw ghosting in the SH2 reamke, but the game was quickly patched and now DLSS has no ghosting (while even ingame TAA has ghosting). DLSS offers near-perfect picture quality in most games and it's my favorite image reconstruction technology. FSR looks good on the static image if you use quality settings (comparable to DLSS), but has shimmering unlike DLSS.

 

[Lysandros]

Many PS5 OG games optimized for 36 CUs have a 30-35% boost (limited by weak Zen 2).
If developers optimize for the PS5 Pro's 60 CUs, performance will likely improve even further with the added memory bandwidth and RT improvements.
Some games have even come out with benchmarks that exceed the 45% GPU increase that Cerny mentioned.

How do you optimize for "X amount of CUs"? The bandwidth factor is about the ratio relative to GPU resources, in the case of PS5 PRO it is rather a weakness than a strength. The key to make the most of unbalanced system like PS5 PRO is to minimize bandwidth consumption as much as possible while maximizing the use of compute resources which is a parodixidal, difficult game. It's funny that the base PS5 and PRO are opposite/competing systems in a sense. This is what happens when you turn your back to "when the triangles are small it's more difficult to feed the CUs with useful work" original design philosophy. Additional developer time diverted or not, since the masses demanded it, this is what you can realistically get with a financially sustainable mid-gen upgrade apparently.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

While moving, I noticed that the lettering on the signs was clear with PSSR, but I didn't notice the ghosting with DLSS.
AI upscaling seems to be a difficult technology to perfect.

This makes me wonder if DLSS is even correctly applied to TLOU, as the whole point of the AI upscale is to remove the ghosting and the image blur in motion.

 

[Kerotan]

It's a fucking PS4 game lmao. You are gonna be blown away when ND actually makes a proper PS5 game without considering last gen.

No they remade the game. It's a proper PS5 game graphically and playing it on the Pro with my 120hz VRR bravia it feels like I'm playing a ps6 game. That gens only a few years away now and I guarantee you a lot of games will look worse than this.

 

[Bojji]

PS5: 1440p/60fps TAA Native = PS5 Pro: 1440p/60fps PSSR 4K upscale or 1440p/80fps TAA Native
PSSR is currently a heavy process for games above 60fps, but Sony is working on improving the algorithm.
On a PC, we can choose the optimal mode for gaming, 1440p/DLSS(Q), but with the PS5 Pro, Sony has imposed the heavy curse of 4K output.

Yeah, compared to native 1440p, reconstruction to 4k takes that 20-30% more performance. It's interesting that this is exactly the performance uplift Pro offers vs. standard PS5.

No they remade the game. It's a proper PS5 game graphically and playing it on the Pro with my 120hz VRR bravia it feels like I'm playing a ps6 game. That gens only a few years away now and I guarantee you a lot of games will look worse than this.

Part 2 still uses assets made for 2013 1.8TF console. Part 1 has much better textures but overall difference is not mind blowing.

 

[Ironman_Bad]

No they remade the game. It's a proper PS5 game graphically and playing it on the Pro with my 120hz VRR bravia it feels like I'm playing a ps6 game. That gens only a few years away now and I guarantee you a lot of games will look worse than this.

Naughty Dog puts everyone but maybe Sony Santa Monica to shame, whatever they have been cooking is about to melt the game industries eyes

 

[Kerotan]

Yeah, compared to native 1440p, reconstruction to 4k takes that 20-30% more performance. It's interesting that this is exactly the performance uplift Pro offers vs. standard PS5.



Part 2 still uses assets made for 2013 1.8TF console. Part 1 has much better textures but overall difference is not mind blowing.

It's not mind blowing compared to TLOUP2 which will also now look better then most PS6 games at launch. It's just mind blowing in general. Playing both on PS5 it was nice to get 60fps which was the only fault I had with P2 on PS4. But it was annoying having to compromise between a super smooth session and a clear high res image. Now we finally have both. It's super satisfying and I no longer feel I need better hardware to achieve what this game deserves. All thanks to the pro.

 

[mckmas8808]

It is just a simple resolution bump in the 4k mode and while the 60fps has the added RT features it takes a slight resolution decrease in order to do so. So while it looks good there is nothing technically exciting about it, no PSSR for example.

It's exciting how it looks. That's what people are trying to say. Many were saying 8K is wasteful to tackle. Now we know that's that true. That is something that's technically exciting.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Yeah, some of those blades of grass look sharper for sure.

 

[mrcroket]

It's not mind blowing compared to TLOUP2 which will also now look better then most PS6 games at launch. It's just mind blowing in general. Playing both on PS5 it was nice to get 60fps which was the only fault I had with P2 on PS4. But it was annoying having to compromise between a super smooth session and a clear high res image. Now we finally have both. It's super satisfying and I no longer feel I need better hardware to achieve what this game deserves. All thanks to the pro.

My God... the mental gymnastics some of you do to justify the absurd expense of the PShimmering 5 Pro is mind blowing

 

[Kerotan]

My God... the mental gymnastics some of you do to justify the absurd expense of the PShimmering 5 Pro is mind blowing

I'm sorry I'm enjoying out. BTW I paid €1,100 for the 30th edition bundle.

 

[Zathalus]

It's exciting how it looks. That's what people are trying to say. Many were saying 8K is wasteful to tackle. Now we know that's that true. That is something that's technically exciting.

If you say so. I still consider 8k a complete waste of time, even on hardware more powerful than the Pro. I don’t find simple resolution bumps all that exciting, I’m far more interested in pushing RT and AI reconstruction.

 

[TGO]

My God... the mental gymnastics some of you do to justify the absurd expense of the PShimmering 5 Pro is mind blowing

It's mind blowing that a PS4 game needs anything achieve 4K60FPS Let alone PSSR on the PS5 Pro.
Seems to be a lot left on the table power wise.
I wish the Devs would give a option for Native 4K60 and and have 4K PSSR 60fps mode with additional graphic effects.
This all feels phoned in imo.

 

[Gaiff]

It's exciting how it looks. That's what people are trying to say. Many were saying 8K is wasteful to tackle. Now we know that's that true. That is something that's technically exciting.

It’s still wasteful and will always be unless you got a giant 100" display.

 

[DanielG165]

It's exciting how it looks. That's what people are trying to say. Many were saying 8K is wasteful to tackle. Now we know that's that true. That is something that's technically exciting.

It’s still vastly wasteful for the majority of people. Nearly no one owns nor can afford an 8K panel, and I cannot see 8K adoption being nearly as prevalent nor desired for a long, long time.

 

[Trilobit]

This makes me wonder if DLSS is even correctly applied to TLOU, as the whole point of the AI upscale is to remove the ghosting and the image blur in motion.

The two to the left are the closest to reality

Spoiler

if you do drugs.

 

[KaiserBecks]

They are in no hurry to do Callisto huh lol

And still no word on "Rise of the Ronin", even though the patch was there Day1 as far as I know.

 

[Bojji]

They are in no hurry to do Callisto huh lol

In their latest direct they had few minute section to it and said that it's better in every way compared to PS5 version. As is should be on stronger console.

But gaf told me they hate PS so maybe they left this section of the video by mistake?

 

[mrcroket]

In their latest direct they had few minute section to it and said that it's better in every way compared to PS5 version. As is should be on stronger console.

But gaf told me they hate PS so maybe they left this section of the video by mistake?

Possibly with PS5 Pro exclusive features, like shimmering and noise.

 

[Bojji]

Possibly with PS5 Pro exclusive features, like shimmering and noise.

Nope, it uses TAAU. It has a bit lower resolution than performance mode on PS5 but looks better overall. No to mention ray tracing is enabled.

Really better in every way.

 

[mrcroket]

Nope, it uses TAAU. It has a bit lower resolution than performance mode on PS5 but looks better overall. No to mention ray tracing is enabled.

Really better in every way.

Okay, fair enough.

 

[mckmas8808]

It’s still wasteful and will always be unless you got a giant 100" display.

It’s still vastly wasteful for the majority of people. Nearly no one owns nor can afford an 8K panel, and I cannot see 8K adoption being nearly as prevalent nor desired for a long, long time.

But if it's downsampled to a 4K screen, it looks better than native 4K. So there's that.