Do you think we should be giving it to some one who we put as top town ( which for day 1 is not exactly a high bar) or to some one who's decision making we can trust as the game progresses? Some players at times play a bit erratic...I'd prefer players who have shown this behavior to not be in the running for the triple vote, personally.
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Do you think we should be giving it to some one who we put as top town ( which for day 1 is not exactly a high bar) or to some one who's decision making we can trust as the game progresses? Some players at times play a bit erratic...I'd prefer players who have shown this behavior to not be in the running for the triple vote, personally.
There's no way of knowing that currently Karl. If it goes to someone that either now or in the future is not part of town then it is a negative. If it goes to someone that is town and remains town until the game ends or they die then it is a positive. If you want to play the odds game I would guess that less than 50% of the players fit into that second category so overall probably negative with the chance at being positive if we select correctly.
The Director will most probably .....fuuuuu
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not stay in this game
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for very long, FUCK
does this look bad to anyone?
is this bait?
The Director will most probably .....fuuuuu
BLLRHAHLAHRLAHRLHARLAHR
not stay in this game
GREEEEHHHRHREUHURERAHIOHA;LDFHA;LSKDF
for very long, FUCK
does this look bad to anyone?
Kark - are you trying to tell us you're infected?
The latter.
And since I have decided to go with normal, analytical Ouro instead of shitposting Ouro, I feel like everyone should choose me.
Yes, I'm asking you to assign what you feel are reasonable probabilities to the positive and negative outcomes and weight the benefit and the loss of each of those options to determine if you believe in your heart of hearts deep down whether this role is more likely to help or hurt us.
I'm fully aware that it's impossible to have a perfect answer to this, but I like forcing people to take positions and defend them. Show me what you got.
The latter.
And since I have decided to go with normal, analytical Ouro instead of shitposting Ouro, I feel like everyone should choose me.
Being analytical won't help us if you join the scum team.
The Director will most probably .....fuuuuu
BLLRHAHLAHRLAHRLHARLAHR
not stay in this game
GREEEEHHHRHREUHURERAHIOHA;LDFHA;LSKDF
for very long, FUCK
does this look bad to anyone?
How likely is that Kark is infected and he had to post like this as a condition of his role? I would say almost none but I lose nothing asking.
I just told you I feel there is a less than 50% chance of it being a positive.
Analytical Player: Helpful for town as town if director, bad if scum or become scum.
Nonanyalytical Player: Not helpful for town as town if director, not helpful if scum or become scum.
hmmmmmm which one should we taaaaaaake
If I suddenly change my tune, sure it would. But again, we don't know how any of this shit works yet.
If we are assuming blanket recruitment, then yes, the Director could become scum. But we also have to consider other things, like say, a Doctor - what use does that have to scum, and would they be able to be infected?
I have no idea, so let's table that.
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I'm very confused
Are you claiming I'm not analytical? I never said being analytical is a bad thing, I said it will not prevent the director from becoming scum. I outlined multiple times already that letting the director be on the scum team is the worst case scenario for this role. Hence why I think it's important we select someone with that in mind.
Also, let's be real. The one who gets elected day one will be most likely lynched day two, day 3 tops.
The one who is elected Director will be the main target of the infected and we will have doubts if he is town or scum while he is alive. We will kill him quick to avoid giving scum so much power. I think it's like the neighbours situation in the Animal Crossing game but even worse.
The one who is elected Director will be the main target of the infected and we will have doubts if he is town or scum while he is alive. We will kill him quick to avoid giving scum so much power. I think it's like the neighbours situation in the Animal Crossing game but even worse.
Obviously we're all thinking that, it's just that whoever gets chosen as Director will probably be able to sway off suspicion for a couple days (on account of their usability) and it's not worth thinking of at the moment.
No that was in response to you saying having a director who is analytical doesn't help if they are scum. I'm saying at the very least does help if they are town, which is not the case for a non analytical player being selected.
Was not making acomment on your analyticalness one way or the other.
You're making me wary Kark. Wary enough to wanna lynch you. But I can't! So this must be nothing unusual.
Ya know, I think I'm going to have to take a pass on that one.
My thoughts line up pretty well with yours. I think that even in a game that didn't seem to have a convert/recruit theme, i'm on the fence as to whether it would be a positive utility. Just because you are town doesn't mean that you make wise votes.
With the added fact that we are dealing with a contagion theme, I'm pretty firm in believing it is negative utility, unless more facts come up (ie conversion immunity or something else).
Will the director even be able to be infected? I don't think so. Even if they do die quickly this is why it's important to vote for someone who we know will make the best use of the voting ability. A person who makes good judgements of others.
No?
How can they sway off suspicion? We all know that he will the Director so he will be suspected since the start of day 2. A Doctor could protect him but we would never know if the doctor doesn't claim and that would be a bad idea.
Do you see yourself as nonanalytical or analytical player?
I mean, that's great and all, but we have to choose a Director today, before we get any more info. We need to select someone that we think can make good decisions, and then hope for the best. If they end up being scum, hopefully we can determine some anomaly that lets us realize that they are scum. Scum having 3 votes and being in such a prominent role should allow us to figure it out, hopefully.
Do you really think there won't be a contingent of people hesitant to lynch the director? Added on to their three votes then it's entirely plausible for them to make the situation dubious enough no one wants to mislynch.
Exactly.
And while I've been in full shitposting-with-a-side-of-serious mode, if I'm being fully honest I do not want to be Director. It sounds fun but I don't trust my reads well enough for that kinda of power yet at the same time I trust the rest of you even less so I would feel better if I received it until I get a better read on people.
Also considering the possible infection mechanic whoever becomes Director is also being a target so when deciding on who to vote I need to weigh that as well. Like Ouro, he's a good Town player and could probably use the 3-vote power well but if he became Director he will likely be killed/infected very early. Therefore I'd rather want to give Director to someone else I sort-of trust to make good choices but also not to the person I want to keep around as a strong Town force.
Why would they be hesitant? The Director is a big role for the infected as they gain a lot of votes quickly but not a big role for town (at least at the start of the game). If there is only one infected as we thought that should mean that at day two town will have 18 votes (if there a night kill 17) vs 4 votes of the infected (if the Director is infected by patient 0). The difference is to big to gain a leverage to the infected. But that difference will be less as the game progress and the Director will be more important so we will be forced to kill him to make sure.
So why wait further in the game when it will be more difficult and not as soon as he is elected? The way I see it it's not even a choice. The one who is selected will be lynched by night 3 at most.
I am assuming we have a doctor, especially with the mention of a cure in the flavor.
If not a doctor, then at least something like one.
Sorry, the implied statement there is that I would be pushing for an early director lynch unless that additional info comes out (or you know someone else is being scummy as fuck).
My ideal director candidate is someone who I trust to be analytical at the very least, but not someone who I think is a strong enough player that I want them around end game.
Maybe someone can cure with limited uses, that would make sense since it seems like the infected start with low numbers (supposedly).
I think I'm an analytical player to a fault sometimes.
At least my vote will follow these guidelines:
1. Is the player in your town reads? If yes, proceed.
2. Do you think the player will be able to have a positive impact on the game? Are they contributive, do they think things through? Or do they vote irrationally? If they have a positive impact, proceed.
3. Do you think it's plausible the player will get infected N1 if they are chosen as director. If no, proceed, if yes, think carefully before placing a vote.
Most beneficial situation would be to choose a town read director who also is smart with their votes/contributions. That third part is little iffy, since we still work with very little information in terms of game mechanics.
1. Is the player in your town reads? If yes, proceed.
2. Do you think the player will be able to have a positive impact on the game? Are they contributive, do they think things through? Or do they vote irrationally? If they have a positive impact, proceed.
3. Do you think it's plausible the player will get infected N1 if they are chosen as director. If no, proceed, if yes, think carefully before placing a vote.
Most beneficial situation would be to choose a town read director who also is smart with their votes/contributions. That third part is little iffy, since we still work with very little information in terms of game mechanics.
Alright, look, I'm the Infected, and I'm roleclaiming today in a bid to be cured and return to Town, but I need the Director power for this plan to work.
Why am I roleclaiming as the lone Infected? Because I realized this:
I'm going to infect a random person. I have no control over who I'm adding to my team (I think this is done so that I'm not just building some mafia supergroup of the best, scummiest Gafia players). This is how the game works, and it's why we're voting for a Director right now - it means they dont' just auto-join the mafia team.
But I think I see a way out for me, and a benefit for Town.
How?
- Tonight, I'll add a random player to Infected. Notice that in the "feral" state, I actually don't get to communicate with them, so I don't actually learn who they are for a night. They will kill someone (this is when the NK happens), and likely target me. This is how I noticed my "out'.
- As Director, I have a higher chance of being protected or cured or something, aka converted to non-Infected/Town, which I'm pretty confident is a thing in this game.
- So I get cured, switched to Town, and then Town doesn't have to worry about the Director falling into mafia for the rest of the game.
Look, it's crazy, maybe a bit exploit-y, cheesing the game a little, but this is the best solution I see to this problem right now. Otherwise, lol, I'm dead - but Infected will live on.
Why am I roleclaiming as the lone Infected? Because I realized this:
I'm going to infect a random person. I have no control over who I'm adding to my team (I think this is done so that I'm not just building some mafia supergroup of the best, scummiest Gafia players). This is how the game works, and it's why we're voting for a Director right now - it means they dont' just auto-join the mafia team.
But I think I see a way out for me, and a benefit for Town.
How?
- Tonight, I'll add a random player to Infected. Notice that in the "feral" state, I actually don't get to communicate with them, so I don't actually learn who they are for a night. They will kill someone (this is when the NK happens), and likely target me. This is how I noticed my "out'.
- As Director, I have a higher chance of being protected or cured or something, aka converted to non-Infected/Town, which I'm pretty confident is a thing in this game.
- So I get cured, switched to Town, and then Town doesn't have to worry about the Director falling into mafia for the rest of the game.
Look, it's crazy, maybe a bit exploit-y, cheesing the game a little, but this is the best solution I see to this problem right now. Otherwise, lol, I'm dead - but Infected will live on.
This is my main point of contention - depending on the game and how it is playing out, scum may choose to pick someone who is quiet, or someone that is active.
Add on to that the fact that D1 we don't have any lynch votes to work with and I don't think we'll be able to conclude anything until much later.
Uhh...what? Are you not going against your win condition here?
This sounds entirely too plausible and it bothers me
Ok, wait a sec.
I'm going to make an assumption here -
If you are already infected (i.e., you've spent a day as infected), then I feel like you shouldn't be cured, because then you'd be a townie and have slightly more knowledge than the rest of town, which seems antithetical to how the game works.
Kark I finally had blocked NX out of my mind what are you doing
I'm going to make an assumption here -
If you are already infected (i.e., you've spent a day as infected), then I feel like you shouldn't be cured, because then you'd be a townie and have slightly more knowledge than the rest of town, which seems antithetical to how the game works.
Kark I finally had blocked NX out of my mind what are you doing
Fair enough, I guess we'll see in the coming days.