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Raise the flame shield: Your "controversial" gaming opinion.
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Terareflection
Member
Persona games are great, but they're too damn long and grossly outstay their welcome in their last 10 hours.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Considering the grand, grand majority of people loved it and there wasent no like real kind of backlash a month or 2 later then its safe to say its getting all the GOTY awards
Last 10 hours?
After persona 5 and looking at my play clock for my first run, that game overstayed its welcome by 50 hours lol
I'm still surprised it took me over 100 hours to finish.
I still very much love the game.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Destiny games would be lot better(more fun and responsive) to play on consoles if they were 60fps!
Dr. Buni
Member
Most boring GOTY award ever if that happens.
Tarextherex
Banned
2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 were far more boring and were won by titles that didn't remotely deserve it
Can't say for BotW, but I agree on all counts with Witcher 3.
I can see the flashes of brilliance in there (world design & art direction, cut-scene cinematography, visual fidelity), but holy-hell Witcher 3 is the definition of a crap gameplay experience.
W3 is the prettiest anti-fun game I've ever played.
Honestly, it could be seen like punching a pillow to get your aggression out. Yeah... Studies have risen up and shown how violent video games may increase aggression too, but there has never been any cases where video games have sparked anyone to be violent (or at least not without stretching the truth out like some have halfheartedly tried).
As for my gaming opinion, I honestly think that people continue to undersell the Xbox One in comparison to the PS4. Honestly even before the One X came out, I felt like games that were on both systems actually performed better on the Xbox One than the PS4. Exceptions apply here and there of course (like Tecmo-Koei Games), but the majority does favor Xbox.
So what you're saying is the trend will begin anew this year?
BlueBadger
Banned
I for the life of me cannot get into Final Fantasy VII. I don't know if the fan-base turns me off, or if it's just a personal taste thing, or both. But every time I play it, I don't get very far before I realize I'm forcing myself to play it.
Just a note here, before people start shitting on me. I'm not disputing what FF7 did for the gaming industry blah blah blah. I'm just saying I couldn't get myself to enjoy it.
Just a note here, before people start shitting on me. I'm not disputing what FF7 did for the gaming industry blah blah blah. I'm just saying I couldn't get myself to enjoy it.
I was just about to post this. I just finished "part 1" (aka CD 1 in the original PSX) and I had to take some days off because I just can't get into the game.
Revolutionary, yes. But I've played much better JRPGs since 1997... and even many before.
BlueBadger
Banned
Honestly I'm happy to hear I'm not alone. LOL. This is EXACTLY what happened to me, and around the point in the game I stopped playing as well.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Video games get old...
Do you mean the medium or individual games?
Tarextherex
Banned
Zelda deserves it though
I do think it's not as good as some past games but it's still GOTY material. Face it, this series is in a league above any other adventure game, any other 3D game really. Devs have been looking ridiculous for a while now with all those open world games that feel clumsier in level design than freaking N64 games. Nintendo managed to deliver an open world game that isn't a monotonous grindfest with basically non-existent level design. Sure it could have had implemented qualities from past games like better dungeons and such but that's irrelevant for this discussion, it's still enough to win GOTY. Not many games handle new items/powerups in the same engaging way Zelda does and even less of them do levels that are close to Zelda's dungeons. That's why even if you're not a fan of BOTW don't be surprised or disappointed that it wins GOTY, it absolutely deserves it unlike the winners of the years I've mentioned that were only chosen because they fit appropriate genres to promote videogames as this "mature" medium
I wonder how Mario will fare. If it's close to be as good as 64 it would be my personal GOTY but would it as least get half of Zelda's lunch?
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
No way. Breath of the Wild 100% deserves it. Surely everyone knows deep down it's going to get the majority of the awards. It's a no-brainer.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
When BOTW came out, it showed that you actually can have level design and have a true open world without relying on story to engage the player.
Ofcourse it would deserve GOTY status.
When previous gotys involve the witcher 3 for its story and graphics.....and its story and graphics.
And skyrim for mostly just being the biggest open world at the time with decent stuff to do but mediocre everything else
yeah, BOTW is heads and shoulders above other games.
Ofcourse it would deserve GOTY status.
When previous gotys involve the witcher 3 for its story and graphics.....and its story and graphics.
And skyrim for mostly just being the biggest open world at the time with decent stuff to do but mediocre everything else
yeah, BOTW is heads and shoulders above other games.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
People come in here and complain about 20 year old games feeling old - that's just how things work. Most great games back then have aged, especially from the PS1 era and non 3D Nintendo games.
Ah ok.
It's hard for me to tell because generally speaking if it came out on a system I played in my youth I can acclimatize myself towards the QoL and conventions of the game fairly easily but I don't tend to go further back than that and if I do, I play SNES+ remakes with enhanced QoL (being a SNES/PSX kid).
I do wonder how I'd take to playing an NES game in the original form.
And also part of the reason that is easy for me is probably because those games still set my expectations to an extent and modern games run afoul of these expectations. In some ways, I'm stuck in the past, so to speak. I imagine if your expectations are more strongly in line with modern convention that backwards jump is harder and the game is dated.
Gamers age differently themselves, started gaming at different times, and gaming conventions have also changed over time. The context of a game changes over time with respect to all these things.
I don't think games really "age," (with some exceptions) but as I've said before here probably, I find the idea of mechanics existing that are superior to mechanics in older games making those games wholly outdated to be completely foreign. If I'm playing an older game or just a game that did x mechanic a lot worse than y game, I'm not going to be constantly thinking of the other game(s) throughout my entire playthrough, so I guess I can just compartmentalize well.
I think some early 3D games have bad movement/cameras, but I think that's something that was a problem that was there from day 1 that a lot of people just kind of shrugged off because of the novelty. Though this is where the exceptions are; I specifically remember having a lot less difficulty controlling Jet Force Gemini back in the day than I do now. I also think a lot (but not all) 2600 and older games are limited, but had I played games in that era I can't imagine myself ever being anywhere near as captivated by gaming as a hobby as I am today anyways.
NES games are totally fine to go back to but I think with a lot of them you have to play them with a mindset that a lot of modern gamers don't really have a good grasp on. The games are deliberately short and hard; if you spend dozens or maybe even an upwards of 100s of failed attempts to beat the game that's not necessarily a failure of the game's design, that's just how it's supposed to be played. You have to challenge yourself to improve and fix the mistakes that you made on your last run through every time you play. Don't use save states on things like modern emulators because that's breaking the game's design.
I grew up mostly during gen 6 btw.
I think some early 3D games have bad movement/cameras, but I think that's something that was a problem that was there from day 1 that a lot of people just kind of shrugged off because of the novelty. Though this is where the exceptions are; I specifically remember having a lot less difficulty controlling Jet Force Gemini back in the day than I do now. I also think a lot (but not all) 2600 and older games are limited, but had I played games in that era I can't imagine myself ever being anywhere near as captivated by gaming as a hobby as I am today anyways.
NES games are totally fine to go back to but I think with a lot of them you have to play them with a mindset that a lot of modern gamers don't really have a good grasp on. The games are deliberately short and hard; if you spend dozens or maybe even an upwards of 100s of failed attempts to beat the game that's not necessarily a failure of the game's design, that's just how it's supposed to be played. You have to challenge yourself to improve and fix the mistakes that you made on your last run through every time you play. Don't use save states on things like modern emulators because that's breaking the game's design.
I grew up mostly during gen 6 btw.
petran79
Banned
Most lacking feature Sonic lost when he moved to 3d wasnt gameplay related. I find 2d and 3d Sonics better than Mario games. Where Mario trumps over Sonic is character animation,movement and expression. Even for bosses and enemies.
2d Marios were a little better than 2d Sonics in this,but in 3d difference felt even greater. Sonic Team cant animate as well as Nintendo.
Unlike Smilebit's Jet Set Radio which put Sonic to shame
2d Marios were a little better than 2d Sonics in this,but in 3d difference felt even greater. Sonic Team cant animate as well as Nintendo.
Unlike Smilebit's Jet Set Radio which put Sonic to shame
I would not be shocked to see PUBG dark horse quite a few GOTY awards away from Zelda and Mario.
I think it's difficult to appreciate the stepping-stones of game evolution without the context of the time they were released in.
That's why when someone says, "I think x lauded game from 20 years ago is overrated, even though I just played it for the first time.", it's hard not to roll one's eyes.
Of course game fidelity or mechanics are going to be dated, making it hard to appreciate them in contrast to modern titles. But I think it's hard for some to remember that a game released decades ago, while looking archaic to the modern eye, may have been absolutely mind-blowing back at original release. Representing cutting-edge tech that made jaws drop.
Think Atari's Night Driver (1976) vs. Forza: Horizon 3 (2016).
I think most can understand this distinction, but when you're dealing with iterative mechanics it may be harder to appreciate vintage stuff. But that's what evolution is all about. You don't get the flip from 2D dominated gaming (SNES) to 3D standards (Xbox One) without the awkward transitional stepping stones (PS1).
It's easy to bag on OG Playstation 3D games like Tomb Raider, what with the primitive polygon presentation and soul-crushing camera controls. But at the time? Man, that shit was pure gold. Again, blowing audiences minds back then.
So in the end I think the term "overrated" in the context of gaming-history has little to no meaning. Unless you were there in 1980, standing at the Pac-Man machine and thinking, "Man, this game is overrated.", you likely have little ground to make such a claim in the modern age.
Rexatality
Member
Most of the hype for Anthem is only because people want Destiny 2 to fail and for Bungie to go down under
Rexatality
Member
Come on man, have you seen the Destiny 2 discussions lately (Not just on GAF, mind you)? Most of the comments are typical "Destiny 1.5" shitposting and how Anthem is gonna tear the game apart even though its a fucking year away from release
Strangelove77
Member
I don't mind grinding in some games. I actually find it enjoyable.
petran79
Banned
Emulation on PC killed the only thing arcades and consoles were worth for:
Exlusives.
Dragons Crown,Catherine,Persona,Scott Pilgrim etc
I remember reading it would be impossible to play them on PC. Removing the exclusivity,they are just regular games. And no, MK8 isnt better than Sonic Allstars Racing Transformed.
Exlusives.
Dragons Crown,Catherine,Persona,Scott Pilgrim etc
I remember reading it would be impossible to play them on PC. Removing the exclusivity,they are just regular games. And no, MK8 isnt better than Sonic Allstars Racing Transformed.
Niceguydan8
Member
NieR:Automata is at best a good game. The ending was not special.
Skyrim was influential but very bland game at launch.
Skyrim was influential but very bland game at launch.
Sorry for being more hyped about a game that will give me all the content straight up instead of one that just gives it when the next game is about to be released, just to spite me.
Strangelove77
Member
You haven't played it yet though. You're make the same assumptions you made about Destiny. Why set yourself up for disappointment again?
I myself am still really skeptical about Anthem and its content.
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What assumptions am i making when i'm saying not about gameplay and more about business practices? So far Anthem has no exclusive platform content while D2 already had a bunch of ps-only shit scheduled. I'm not assuming anything.
I like P3P but I'm with ya on 4 and Golden so your not completely alone.
GlamFM
Banned
You are assuming Anthem won't.
Strangelove77
Member
I thought you were talking about the base game.
All the PS exclusives for the first game weren't anything special besides maybe the strike. The game had a content problem far beyond console exclusives.
The Division was the same way and Bioware themselves aren't perfect when it comes to cutting stuff out from the main game to sell later as dlc. I trust them about as much as I trust Bungie.
Rexatality
Member
That's further proof that the hype for Anthem is only for wanting Destiny 2 to fail
And your assumption Anthem won't have a console exclusive content is absurd if you ask me
I don't need another game to fail to enjoy a different option, this isn't third grade anymore.
And you're the one assuming it will have console exclusive content if you ask me.
Nier: Automata is a decent game but not GOTY material. Its combat mechanics are decent at best but most of the time they are garbage mainly because the majority of the game you fight same monsters over and over again who are already push overs to begin with so you never have to do anything other than spamming dodge. The game's difficulty is fucked as well. Entirely too easy on normal but too punishing on hard or very hard because of the lack of checkpoints. I also cannot understand why it is checkpointed the way it is. It doesn't save your progress without accessing save points in the world expect for the times it does. So inconsistent. The majority of the bosses are garbage. Open world is boring. The side quests are boring and only give you a bit of lore not all of them and almost all of them are fetch quests/escort missions. The only saving grace for this game is its story, which is good, but not life altering nor does it make me ignore all the other issues the game has. I'll probably get flamed for this but its just an average game to me.
GlamFM
Banned
Wait what? You are the one saying Anthem will give you everything straight up while Destiny is full of console exclusive stuff. Who is making assumptions here?
Sure this isn't 3rd grade?
Isn't this how most people feel about it?
I mean, if the only games you play are vapid Platinum brawlers or standard FPSs, then the story is probably legitimately impressive. I thought the ending, in particular, was very well done, but the questions it raises about continuity and consciousness have been handled better in other games (SOMA, namely). It's good for what it is, but the tacked on open world and narrative padding make the middle bits a slog.
You are putting way too much weight on my purchasing power if you think me buying Anthem instead of Destiny this time will make bungie inch even close to failure. And my first post already stated "so far nothing for anthem is exclusive" while we already had exclusive PS4 destiny 2 content announced. is this really that hard to understand?