Barakov
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Thread done. Sony is off their rocker with this price and not including a disc drive in the machine. The $499 price for the base PS5 was pushing it but $700 without the disc drive is insane.
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Realistically, what would have been an “acceptable” price for the PS5 Pro?
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Shake Your Rump
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In Canada, I bought my PS5 launch day for $650. The Pro at $800 with optical drive would have been fine.
Hell the absurd $950 might be tolerable if it still had the optical drive and vertical stand.
Hell the absurd $950 might be tolerable if it still had the optical drive and vertical stand.
John Wick
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So how are you going to get these miracle prices for these consoles at current market conditions without a substantial loss on each unit???
John Wick
Member
Yeah used to but not in current climate.
John Wick
Member
So why are MS charging £599 for a 2tb Series X?
Bojji
Member
Because they are retarded. Sony doesn't need to copy them.
DaleinCalgary
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Everything is expensive these days. MS of all companies are not trying to milk customers because they need more customers. And subsidized gaming console days are over.
midnightAI
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How much money per unit do you want Sony to lose?
Bojji
Member
What? They are selling exact same hardware as in 2020 (as far as I'm aware) but just with 2TB SSD drive instead of 1TB SSD drive inside? It's even worse value than PS5 Pro.
No doubt that for both MS and Sony base models costs them less now than in 2020, yet price is the same.
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Sw0pDiller
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650-699 euro would be really Nice and more in line the dollar tag of 699.
So if i get a PS5 slim digital for $450 with 1tb and spend $70 for a WD black 850x 1TB. The total cost would be around $520. How it would cost $449?
DaleinCalgary
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You would think so wouldn't you? Word is MS was losing $200 per console at release and maybe they are getting close to break even and refuse to subsidize things anymore. Sony actually increased prices in some territories with weak currency. Inflation, fab costs, manufacturing costs in China has gone up as the people there are getting paid more. Two major changes in consoles that has occurred in the past while and they are.
Nintendo has taught MS and Sony you don't need to reduce prices like in the past.
MS created the annual subscription and it can work for milking its consumers of online play.
FrankWza
Gold Member
They did. The slim/Pro includes a horizontal solution and the launch PS5 had a convertible stand included because it was necessary. They were going to be criticized either way. When the PS5 launched the stand was one of the biggest complaints because it was needed for it to go horizontal. The ps2, ps3 and ps4 all had optional vertical stands. I get the points about them including a disk drive, and I think they should have made it a 1tb console instead of 2tb. But let's be honest, they'd be criticized for that because it's sold as a digital console with a disk drive option.
BlackTron
Member
Oh. If it doesn't need a stand to go vertical, who gives a shit.
FrankWza
Gold Member
It does. But it includes the horizontal feet to be placed horizontal. They moved away from the launch convertible stand that could be used vertical and horizontal
BlackTron
Member
This is getting really confusing. Does the Pro require an additional purchase to place vertical? Yes or no. Emphasis on vertical. Meaning standing upright.
FrankWza
Gold Member
Yes. And just like every Sony console since the PS2 except the launch PS5 it does not include one.
BlackTron
Member
So I stand by my original post 100%.
PS2, PS3 and PS4 did not require the stands. So who cares. This is a vertical placement tax, therefore everyone cares.
Edit: I'm sorry but LOL at suggesting that "including a horizontal solution" means they did something to compensate for lack of vertical. Wow thanks for thinking to include any way at all to...put the system down. Props guys.
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Doctor Hades
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I think £649 with the disc drive attachment and the stand would have been a much more acceptable price for the PS5 Pro.
As it is now, the system will cost me a total of £828.38: £699.99 for the console, £103.40 for the disc drive attachments (which I bought from Argos last month) and £24.99 for the stand (which I bought earlier this year and currently use with my launch PS5). In comparison, I paid £449.99 for the launch PS5 from Amazon here in the UK. That came with a disc drive and a stand in the box. That's almost double the price going from the PS5 to PS5 Pro!
I do honestly think that Sony are scalping / exploiting their user base here, knowing full well that the die hard gamers will pay whatever they ask to own a more powerful PS5. Obviously, the hardware is more expensive than the PS5 with a newer GPU and a larger SSD but I am sure that the price bump includes a decent profit margin for Sony.
As it is now, the system will cost me a total of £828.38: £699.99 for the console, £103.40 for the disc drive attachments (which I bought from Argos last month) and £24.99 for the stand (which I bought earlier this year and currently use with my launch PS5). In comparison, I paid £449.99 for the launch PS5 from Amazon here in the UK. That came with a disc drive and a stand in the box. That's almost double the price going from the PS5 to PS5 Pro!
I do honestly think that Sony are scalping / exploiting their user base here, knowing full well that the die hard gamers will pay whatever they ask to own a more powerful PS5. Obviously, the hardware is more expensive than the PS5 with a newer GPU and a larger SSD but I am sure that the price bump includes a decent profit margin for Sony.
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FrankWza
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Again, it does not need it. Every Sony console that could be placed vertically needed a stand for stability and or airflow. The only reason the launch PS5 had included one was that it was convertible. The PS2, PS3 and PS4 all had your "vertical placement tax"
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MiguelItUp
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Not nearly $1,000 for some countries, lol. I figured $600 - $700. The closer to $1,000 it got felt ridiculous to me, because I felt like people might as well start building a PC.
Felessan
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Price reduction is minimal
Actually to get an idea how things changed you can look at size of boxes:
PS2 vs PS2 slim
PS3 vs PS3 slim
PS4 vs PS4 slim
PS5 vs PS5 slim
Size reduction should be correlated with price reduction and with each generation slim model became less and less "slim" and delta from launch to final price also became smaller. iirc PS4 only got 100$ / 25% price cut over it's lifetime compared to 50% for PS3, 66% for PS2 and 80% for PS1
BlackTron
Member
I had PS2, 3 and 4. Didn't use a stand and they were all vertical at one point or another. My 3 and 4 still are.
FrankWza
Gold Member
It needs it to be vertical but it does not need it since it includes a horizontal solution in the box with or without disk drive. The launch PS5 had a convertible stand so it had a vertical solution by default. Because the disc drive became modular they went away from the convertible stand. Now it is capable of sitting horizontal out of the box, with or without a disk drive. Just like every Sony console after ps1.
You can stand a PS5 slim vertically without a stand. I don't know if it's stable or good for airflow but it's possible. Just because you did that with your PS2-ps4 doesn't mean that there wasn't a Sony licensed stand the recommended for vertical placement. Just like the new slim. You can also put your TV on some cinder blocks and eat dinner off of an Amazon box while you sit on a milk crate but I recommend a TV stand, table and chairs.I had PS2, 3 and 4. Didn't use a stand and they were all vertical at one point or another. My 3 and 4 still are.
BlackTron
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Oh I get it. You need a stand to place it vertical. But you don't need to place it vertical anyway, because luckily they included a way to place it horizontal.
It's conversations like these that make me want to take a break from the Internet.
To be fair, I took a look at my consoles. I'd forgotten that the PS4 Pro is placed vertical with the PS logo "upside down" because of how it vents; it's usually not visible other than a bit of the front. At least the option is there; PS5 is not a system you can place in any non-compromising position without a stand.
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Hawk The Slayer
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600 with the disc drive.
FrankWza
Gold Member
Don't forget to turn the PS logo on your PS2 when you place it vertical. And the PS2, for some reason, had an optional Sony licensed horizontal stand which I never understood.
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hououinkyouma00
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I mean this would be ideal but realistically $599 for Pro, and the same prices for the current consoles.
I would love to get back to "standard console pricing" but it's unrealistic in the world we live in now.
Lucifers Beard
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If it was £599 with the disc drive, I probably would have just purchased it without a second thought and sold off my current OG model. However, it's another £200 on top of that and the PS5 isn't my primary gaming system in the first place.
For me personally, there is more value in me putting £800 towards the next generation of GPU for my PC.
For me personally, there is more value in me putting £800 towards the next generation of GPU for my PC.
GoldenEye98
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I feel like they could of done $599 with 1TB if they really wanted to but it's clear this is a premium product in the same way the DualSense Edge is. Not intended to do mass market numbers.
BlackTron
Member
Are you also confused why Wii came with a stand even though it was optional to use it as well? Would it have been even more confusing if it was an optional purchase?
My whole point is placing it vertical shouldn't be a paid upgrade. If the system design doesn't allow for it, add it. Nintendo gives you a stand whether it's required to place vertical (Wii U) or not (Wii).
MetalFreak
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SkylineRKR
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I think 700 with disc would be fair. Its 150 more than PS5 disc edition.
650 for digital.
650 for digital.
MasterDerico
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499usd.
I feel like my ps5 is more "premium" with disc drive and base than the pro...Lol
I feel like my ps5 is more "premium" with disc drive and base than the pro...Lol
Melfice7
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on a normal world , in 4 years since the ps5 released we should already have a price drop by now and ps5 pro should release at the the same price ps5 originally had
but these multi billion dollar companies that have record profits every year, want to use inflation to justify their greed and instead of price drops we had price increases
but these multi billion dollar companies that have record profits every year, want to use inflation to justify their greed and instead of price drops we had price increases
Felessan
Member
In normal world Moore Law is dead and there is no more cheap shrinks and price cuts over time.
In fantasy world it's still 2005.
chilichote
Member
For me as an European, 699€ with a Drive, 599€ without - I was hoping that would be the maximum price for both, but I was wrong^^
Maybe Sony wants to hype the technology this way or maybe they are aware of the impact PSSR might have and believe the PS5 Pro is worth it. We will see how quickly a price reduction comes or doesn't come.
Maybe Sony wants to hype the technology this way or maybe they are aware of the impact PSSR might have and believe the PS5 Pro is worth it. We will see how quickly a price reduction comes or doesn't come.
Roman Empire
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$600 Pro no disc drive. $650 with disc drive. Even at $700 with disc drive would be fine.
digdug2
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Dude, you are the reason for the entire conversation. Do us all a favor and take your break from the Internet. It's a good plan.
Crayon
Member
I don't mean subjective worth, I mean bom cost. Leave the disk drive so it's same for same and it's a $250 difference, but yeah I can't be sure it even costs them $100 dollars.
I don't know about the money on R&D for a low volume thing though. That's a thing.