MatrixReloaded101
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This is why they prefer buying the studios outright instead of doing these one off deals.
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Report: Microsoft paid Big Cheese $600,000 to bring Cooking Simulator to Game Pass
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Melon Husk
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It's all about the size of the platform bro
Network effect bro
Leyasu
Banned
I did get what you mean. I was trying to reply without being nasty to the drones that that have already flocked to the thread. And my reply just wasn't well written
Nah, it's just content. Everything goes
Banjo64
cumsessed
I think the time where MS have to split their console game pass offering and roll gold in to it is rapidly approaching. I don’t see how Xbox only users with game pass ultimate should have to bank roll this toss for PC users.
Stuart360
Member
But Ultimate is on PC too, i have it.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Yes but Ultimate for a PC user is completely optional (you’d only subscribe if you have an Xbox and want Cloud gaming).
Ultimate on console is mandatory if you want online play.
Not to mention console users subsidising PC game pass subscribers having access to EA Play in the base tier.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Wish they'd at least bank roll ports for the good PC games like Warhammer.
Instead you'll get shower with your dad simulator next
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SportsFan581
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Absolutely, everyone has different tastes. A lot of these little sim games sell relatively well. MS should be trying to cover as many different game types as they can with GP. With that said, we know they have loaded their hand with content that is typically the most popular with Xbox buyers (FPS and Western RPG) with the acquisitions.
The game is $20. So basically Microsoft paid the devs for 30,000 copies across Xbox and PC. Why’s everyone acting as if it’s a crazy sum?
For Gamepass to work, it has to have variety and diverse content for multiple audiences. can’t call a game ‘shovelware’ because it’s one you won’t play.
That’s one month sub from 40000 people. To keep the game on PC and console Gamepass for at least a year.
For Gamepass to work, it has to have variety and diverse content for multiple audiences. can’t call a game ‘shovelware’ because it’s one you won’t play.
That’s one month sub from 40000 people. To keep the game on PC and console Gamepass for at least a year.
remember_spinal
Banned
Big if true
A.Romero
Member
Why do you think console subs are subsidizing pc subs? Do we know how users are split console vs PC? Do we know how much is paid for a console vs a PC game? I thought Microsoft was subsidizing everything right now.
It's not my type of game either (as with most simulator stuff) but I think purchases like this are about having something for everyone in the catalogue. I don't think the audience for this game is in this forum but I do think Microsoft would want to have something for everyone. Also 600K might sound like a lot but we don't know the length of the deal. If it's for example a 10 year deal they'd be paying 60,000 a year and that would be $5,000 a month. It's nothing, really.
This.
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Stuart360
Member
Right i get what you mean. I didnt realize Xbox users had to have Ultimate to play online, thats a little harsh to be fair.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
Because PC subs get vastly more for their money (at the base tier) despite console subs outnumbering PC subs.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Ok? Still is not sustainable.
A.Romero
Member
So they have published that console vs PC split or are we guessing?
What about Ultimate including entitlement to both console and PC?
I'm not sure PC subs get vastly more for their money.
coffinbirth
Member
Just downloaded this yesterday, will check it out later. But what I really wanted to say is...
I'm curious how much they paid for Power Wash Simulator, because I'm certain it was for a song compared to it's majesty.
You might think this is hyperbole of the highest order, but that simply means you have not played, nay...experienced Power Wash Simulator. It's basically ASMR:The Game. It's perfect for chilling out and losing hours or a good mental reset between other games in short bursts. It's great.
Everyone I've told about this game has gotten hooked, beware!
I'm curious how much they paid for Power Wash Simulator, because I'm certain it was for a song compared to it's majesty.
You might think this is hyperbole of the highest order, but that simply means you have not played, nay...experienced Power Wash Simulator. It's basically ASMR:The Game. It's perfect for chilling out and losing hours or a good mental reset between other games in short bursts. It's great.
Everyone I've told about this game has gotten hooked, beware!
Banjo64
cumsessed
Yeah man it was in their last quarterly report, there’s 12 PC Game Pass users.
£7.99 on Xbox; Game Pass only. £7.99 on PC; Game Pass, EA Play, no online paywall.
LeftThumbstick
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I guess it’s Microsoft that are really supporting the smaller developers. Mass amounts of money and mass amounts of exposure.
Nice to see the usual suspects acting as this is something outlandish. This is probably a small fraction of GP’s monthly income and a minuscule fraction of Microsoft’s overall wealth and buying power, as in less than .5%.
This forum can be so small minded at times. Everyone I know who has an Xbox has Gamepass, and no, they aren’t all on the $1 loophole deal either.
Nice to see the usual suspects acting as this is something outlandish. This is probably a small fraction of GP’s monthly income and a minuscule fraction of Microsoft’s overall wealth and buying power, as in less than .5%.
This forum can be so small minded at times. Everyone I know who has an Xbox has Gamepass, and no, they aren’t all on the $1 loophole deal either.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Indie devs finessing microsoft, yeah i see why they love game pass
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No wonder Indies Xbox, they get great deals to get their game on game pass and a robust digital storefront on top for people to buy the add ons and more.
Xbox, they get great deals to get their game on game pass and a robust digital storefront on top for people to buy the add ons and more.
nominedomine
Banned
Well, that's why they were willing to spend so much money buying studios/publishers. Right now they are in a position where their own studios can barely put any games out so they are forced to rely on third party games but their plan is to change that over time.
Market share and consumer behavior plays a big role in this as well, if they succeed to change consumer behavior (people stop buying games and settle for a subscription) all third party publishers become a lot more dependent on the service and lose a lot of their negotiating power.
It was pretty obvious from the beginning that MS game plan was to pretty much crash the market of traditional game sales and if successful they would drastically increase their control over all game developers on their platform.
Thankfully it doesn't seem to be working as well as a lot of people expected.
Market share and consumer behavior plays a big role in this as well, if they succeed to change consumer behavior (people stop buying games and settle for a subscription) all third party publishers become a lot more dependent on the service and lose a lot of their negotiating power.
It was pretty obvious from the beginning that MS game plan was to pretty much crash the market of traditional game sales and if successful they would drastically increase their control over all game developers on their platform.
Thankfully it doesn't seem to be working as well as a lot of people expected.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Lol wow. Free online is fair enough. But giving them EA Play too is just taking the piss.
Tams
Member
Not on topic as EGS doesn't offer GaaS.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Well, learn how to cook is very important.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Probably because there simply aren't that many of such games on the market. And if so, you have to be extremely quick and seize the opportunity right before they blow up. MS haven't necessarily shown the best of such timing in that regard, they seem to try going for stuff after it's actually gotten pretty popular, like with Minecraft.
OTOH, Sony got Fall Guys on PS+ right as it was gaining a bit of steam, and right before it blew up into a phenomenon. You gotta have people at the upper management with the eye to spot that type of stuff and between Phil Spencer & Matt Booty I don't think Xbox have had people like that for the past few years, but maybe that can change in the future.
It wasn't solely for GamePass, but GamePass was definitely a big factor. Phil Spencer said it himself at the roundtable shortly after the acquisition was approved.
"You'll find Bethesda games wherever GamePass exists" or something to that effect, those were basically his words. So GamePass was a factor into the acquisition.
A.Romero
Member
You mean 12 PC subs per 100 console? Or 12 million out of...
DeepEnigma
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Phil Spencer Says Game Pass Is Sustainable, Not Burning Cash
"No. Game Pass is very, very sustainable right now."
www.gamespot.com
thank you, come again later.
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HeisenbergFX4
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Is that Greenberg?
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Kind of looks like him I was looking at throwing money gifs and saw the look a like so knew which one I had to pick
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
The cheeky sob playing with Phil's money
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
But I heard devs are losing money when getting their games on game pass.
SenjutsuSage
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Last 3 months of 2021 Microsoft as a company made this.
Microsoft: 51.7 billion in revenue, $22.2 billion in operating income
Assuming everybody on Game Pass is subbed to the $9.99 tier (they're not, there are many ultimate subscribers), using the last reported 25 million subscribers, Game Pass makes $3 billion a year, $250 million a month. This is why Game Pass is so genius for a company like Microsoft. They make so much money overall as a company they can afford to forego premium sales with even their biggest first party titles by dropping them day one onto Game Pass. As long as that subscriber count keeps growing like it is, and Microsoft remains as profitable a company as they are, $600,000 for Cooking Simulator is nothing for them.
Game Pass monthly is making, at worst, is generating 416x that $600,000 they spent. They'll be fine lol.
Microsoft: 51.7 billion in revenue, $22.2 billion in operating income
Assuming everybody on Game Pass is subbed to the $9.99 tier (they're not, there are many ultimate subscribers), using the last reported 25 million subscribers, Game Pass makes $3 billion a year, $250 million a month. This is why Game Pass is so genius for a company like Microsoft. They make so much money overall as a company they can afford to forego premium sales with even their biggest first party titles by dropping them day one onto Game Pass. As long as that subscriber count keeps growing like it is, and Microsoft remains as profitable a company as they are, $600,000 for Cooking Simulator is nothing for them.
Game Pass monthly is making, at worst, is generating 416x that $600,000 they spent. They'll be fine lol.
sainraja
Member
Their games being on Game Pass could have certainly influenced the decision to take steps to ensure their games will continue to be on there.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Someone is seriously trying to say that Microsoft didn't buy Zenimax for Game Pass!? Why haven't people caught on yet that Game Pass is the reason Microsoft is so comfortable dropping massive chunks of money on acquisitions like Bethesda and Activision Blizzard? People keep thinking that this is all about Xbox, and what Xbox has to do to be profitable on its own to make back this or that money, etc. Xbox NEVER has to make back the money spent on Bethesda or Activision Blizzard.
Those purchases are about the entire company as a whole. Activision brought in $8.8 billion in revenues last year with an operating income of $3.2 billion, what was considered basically a "weak" year with an underperforming Vanguard.
Microsoft cares about what will boost their revenues and, by extension, boost their stock. They are $2.15 Trillion company because of how all their businesses perform as a collective. What do you think Microsoft quarterly and fiscal year reports will look like with Activision Blizzard rolled in? It's pretty much a guarantee that they will experience record breaking revenues and profit.
Microsoft as a company combined with Activision Blizzard + Bethesda together with COD + Starfield + Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout will easily become a $3 Trillion company over the next 3-5 years is my best guess. Definitely by 2030.
Microsoft's big purchases in gaming are 100% all about Game Pass. They are one of the few companies who can do such a thing as day one launches into Game Pass with big AAA and even some 3rd party games due to the kind of money they bring in. Microsoft is creating a gaming Office 365. And it's working.
I collect VHS tapes
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MS has a lot of money.
Captain Toad
Banned
I don't think they meant they wanted to support the devs making shovelware though....
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Phil's one hell of a tipper.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
I mean he has to say they, they were already doing day 1 on Gamepass for 1p for years lol. He can't say those new 1p studios are going to release games not on gamepass.
As for Microsofts having people who can spot a potential blow up game before it becomes big, I get what you're saying, but in this case we are talking about a cooking game and while I do believe that there's a market for this since the game sold 700,000 as shown in the article I don't think there's ever going to be massive mainstream acceptance for a cooking game like Minecraft or Fortnite.
At least not without NFT's grinding, create a character, crafting's, lasers, and guns somewhere in it. But not a simulator lol.
This just looks like the most confusing decisions I've see Microsoft make. It's completely out of character.