Majima Everywhere System
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Uhhh. What can Biden do in a week that can’t be undone?
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Santa Monica issuing evacuation order
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Topher
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He’s a Batman villain at this point.
What an asshole
0neAnd0nly
Member
He’s a Batman villain at this point.
The linking thru political fundraising sites is extremely deplorable, and I hope most on EITHER side would agree. This should not be tied to that AT ALL, and I struggle to find any acceptable reason why it would be seen as morally fine or acceptable.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
These people hate all of us and we don’t despise them enough.He’s a Batman villain at this point.
ManaByte
Member
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Pretty sure this is fake. I just searched Robert Gibson’s articles on ABC news and this didn’t come up. Also searched Patrisse Cullors and there are no articles about her regarding the wildfires
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
You're right. It's probably satire. Only thing I could find was a statement on her Facebook page that her family is safe but that she was impacted by the fires.
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Cyberpunkd
Member
This is a terrible example and everything that is wrong with X - readers’ context is not about what he is saying. Why is it even there?He should just delete his X account at this point.
Kacho
Gold Member
The note was removed.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Elon Musk spreading misinformation again, I see.He should just delete his X account at this point.
Newsome may be unpopular but Prop 47 didn't decriminalize theft under $950. Folks should stop spreading that lie.
ManaByte
Member
It made theft under $950 a misdemeanor. Meaning it's a slap on the wrist to the point where police don't even respond to theft calls if it was under $1000. It's not misinformation, it's fact.
What Changes Did Prop 47 Make to Theft and Drug Crimes in California? | Law Soup Cal
UPDATE DECEMBER 2024: Proposition 47 has been reformed by Proposition 36, which voters passed in the November 2024 election. Proposition 47 was passed by California voters in 2014, reducing penalties for certain nonviolent offenses. It was called the Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act. In...
cal.lawsoup.org
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Yes, theft has not been decriminalized. $950 or under was changed to a misdemeanor, it's still illegal. The problem is most DAs in California are not going to prosecute misdemeanors, so it might as well be legal if they won't punish people. So while Elon and many others have the technical facts wrong, the premise is right.
But the good news is I believe it was voted on back last year to be reconstituted back into a felony on the ballots. So that should be changing.
But the good news is I believe it was voted on back last year to be reconstituted back into a felony on the ballots. So that should be changing.
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Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
He's a blatant liar.
She's still a liar and a thief.
They are evacuating. Notice the Fire Department on the side, to the left. Idiots are using that video to sow disinformation. Nothing against you. I had the same reaction, till I looked it over, more.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
demented waffle
Gold Member
Well ya, price controls lead to shortages. If the state's insurance commission did their jobs, this wouldn't be an issue.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
It made theft under $950 a misdemeanor. Meaning it's a slap on the wrist to the point where police don't even respond to theft calls if it was under $1000. It's not misinformation, it's fact.
What Changes Did Prop 47 Make to Theft and Drug Crimes in California? | Law Soup Cal
UPDATE DECEMBER 2024: Proposition 47 has been reformed by Proposition 36, which voters passed in the November 2024 election. Proposition 47 was passed by California voters in 2014, reducing penalties for certain nonviolent offenses. It was called the Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act. In...
Being a misdemeanor doesn't mean it's a slap on the wrist. It's still on your record when you're arrested. The purpose was to prevent and reduce overcrowding in prisons. Not to make it legal. Especially in the case of theft rings.
Just because some DAs aren't prosecuting them doesn't take away the fact in other cities they are STILL being prosecuted... Prop 37 is putting it back as a felony ... Which will probably lead to overcrowding.
ManaByte
Member
If you're clearing out a drug store with garbage bags full of shit you stole and you're not going to jail for it, that's legalizing theft.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
Him signing that law in was the worst thing to happen. I don't know if you know this, but in 2023 and in 2024 there were so many STORE takeovers. Some stores had to close because the mass robbery was so bad. Many stores had to lock up their products and you have to ask for someone to unlock the shelves, just to pick up certain things or in some cases, some stores had most products locked up.
It was bad and prop 36 passed overwhelmingly. We're collectively fed up..
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
What made it worse were store policies that forbade employees to confront any shoplifters. The stolen goods are insured anyway, so it was better to avoid the risk of an employee getting hurt. The combination of very, very low chance of being arrested and store employees doing absolutely nothing made it possible for every lowlife to enter a store, fill their bags and walk out uninterrupted. But when crime goes unpunished, people will get more and more convinced that civil society is breaking down.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
That law led to a chain effect, leading to more car chases, WAY more chases, especially in 2024... it was nuts. It led to more murders... and get this, many of the criminals were fucking teenagers. A lot of the times when I saw street takeovers; which also skyrocketed in 2023-2024 partially thanks due to tiktok being used as an interactive flier to pinpoint locations to start street takeovers all over California, especially in the Southern parts. The worst of us got emboldened and it lead to al kinds of crimes going up as a result.
Edit: Also, Prostitution is so fucking far up... let's just say in the last 4 years, I've seen more individual hookers on the streets, than all of my life driving through L.A and that goes for Pomona, too. Holt looks like a fucking garbage heap, FFS.
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
It won’t be a problem. First time offenders likely won’t get prison time. The problem are the repeat offenders. The most egregious thieves are repeat offenders. And society needs them behind bars.
And also on the subject of looting homes during the wildfires, that’s a lot different than stealing from stores, because when you walk into someone’s home and take from it you’re committing other crimes than just theft. Those are more serious offenses.
Jinzo Prime
Member
Dude, it's California, is it even legal to remove bushes and trees? I know in Cali, you are not allowed to remove Joshua trees, for example.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
What also made it worse beyond no action, are ongoing precedents and bad culture. And people wonder why stores leaves certain neighbourhoods.
A lot of this looting stuff happened from the aftermath of Floyd riots and the Black community going nuts looting stores (the craziest vid I saw was a guy who brought a circular saw to take down a boarded up store). Let's face it. Whenever there's stores or homes looted, I dont see too many whites, asians or latinos mobbing the place. So if the cops dont do much, and laws are set in place (like California $950 thresholds/clerks cant take action) that basically encourages stealing where the cops arrive 20 minutes later and it's too late by then, then what you get is more stealing - even in disaster fire situations.
I always wondered how these mob groups loot stores with 50 people trashing it at once. There's no way they all know each other personally???
Turns out they're blatantly coordinated where these groups actually coordinate in text groups where and when to hit the stores. So maybe they do know each other. Or it's open groups that spread and anyone can join and see where the next looting spot will be.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Given the fire situation and undermanned people and water resources, I dont see how it can really be contained and put out. It'll probably be a situation no different than a single building wildly burning.... the fire teams just let it burn down as there's no saving. So all they really do is blanket the fire with water hoping it doesn't spread to the buildings beside it. But that key building (or buildings already on fire are done).
I dont know anything about fire controls, but there's that thing they do about clearing out brush in a perimeter so the fire cant spread beyond that point. I dont know how they can do that tactic with a fire so big or in neighbourhoods where there's already houses, roads and buildings already there. Maybe they cant. Or maybe they still can in limited ways.
Also, supposedly NY offered to send firemen and LA said no. What's with that? Was there a good reason for that?
It's not about doing it all themselves because they already accepted one (or more) of those water planes from Quebec. Saw it on TV clips already and the hosts were talking about it.
I dont know anything about fire controls, but there's that thing they do about clearing out brush in a perimeter so the fire cant spread beyond that point. I dont know how they can do that tactic with a fire so big or in neighbourhoods where there's already houses, roads and buildings already there. Maybe they cant. Or maybe they still can in limited ways.
Also, supposedly NY offered to send firemen and LA said no. What's with that? Was there a good reason for that?
It's not about doing it all themselves because they already accepted one (or more) of those water planes from Quebec. Saw it on TV clips already and the hosts were talking about it.
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demented waffle
Gold Member
Nope, thanks to the Sierra Club. It's basically a comedy(unfunny) of errors in this.
DeafTourette
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Speculation LA mayor didnt want help from NY (despite accepting help from Mexico and Canada) because NY firefighters dont have experience fighting forest fires.
He said she said......
nypost.com
A source speculated that Bass may have balked at taking Bravest help because fighting wildfires is “a whole different beast” that requires special training, as opposed to putting out blazes in buildings, which is typical fare for the FDNY.
But the apparent refusal still stunned some department observers — given how Los Angeles Fire Chief Anthony Marrone acknowledged Wednesday that his forces were fighting a losing battle when it came to enough staffing to thwart the blazes.
“LA County and all 29 fire departments in our county are not prepared for this kind of widespread disaster,’’ Marrone said.
Bass later denied the claims.
“This is false, we have never rejected resources — LA welcomes any and all help to fight fires,” Zach Seidl, deputy mayor of communications, told The Post late Friday.
He said she said......
Exclusive | LA Mayor Bass rejects FDNY’s offer to help — despite not having enough firefighters to battle blazes still raging: sources
LA Mayor Karen Bass rebuffed an offer by the FDNY to help try to contain the area’s deadly fires — even though California officials have said they don’t have enough firefighters themselves, sources…
nypost.com
A source speculated that Bass may have balked at taking Bravest help because fighting wildfires is “a whole different beast” that requires special training, as opposed to putting out blazes in buildings, which is typical fare for the FDNY.
But the apparent refusal still stunned some department observers — given how Los Angeles Fire Chief Anthony Marrone acknowledged Wednesday that his forces were fighting a losing battle when it came to enough staffing to thwart the blazes.
“LA County and all 29 fire departments in our county are not prepared for this kind of widespread disaster,’’ Marrone said.
Bass later denied the claims.
“This is false, we have never rejected resources — LA welcomes any and all help to fight fires,” Zach Seidl, deputy mayor of communications, told The Post late Friday.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I wasn't referring to that video in reference to the looting. I think there's a lot of misinformation videos out there about looting, but also I do think it is going on. There was a news report yesterday from CBS I think it was where they interviewed a man who opted to stay in his home because groups of looters were coming to the street to loot unburned homes and he had to chase them off. So while many of the stories are fake, not all of them are.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Fair
Wouldn't surprise me.
I wonder if those 3D printed concrete houses will be en vogue for the reconstruction.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
A bit of context surrounding the reduction on the LAFD budget ...
abc7.com
Los Angeles Fire Department budget sustained cuts but saw overall increase
Los Angeles Fire Department budget sustained cuts but saw an overall increase.
abc7.com
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Feel free to fact check
ManaByte
Member
I see the ActBlue talking point emails have gone out. No wonder Newsom was fundraising for them off the fires. The last one is a disingenuous bullshit deflection. SoCal used to get water from the north before the Delta Smelt had to be saved.Feel free to fact check
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DeafTourette
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
More like this:Feel free to fact check
1. Bankrupting insurance companies = Unknown. Similar to banks that have their own special banking insurance none of know about, banks can still go belly up if shit hits the fan high enough
2. Dry hydrants = True. Doesn't matter if water usage is high draining the pipes. If they are dry they are dry. First time I've read in history of hydrants having no water
3. Budget cuts. Given those notes in the pic = True vs last year. The negotiated increase in funds hasnt been approved or added yet
4. Incarcerated firefighters = Unknown how true or often it is at 30%. At any given time, where's the data that says it's "Mostly True at 30%"?
5. Trump water sources. Given the paragraphs, if that's reality, then it is False
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ManaByte
Member
How is it fact checking when it’s using a political talking point ignoring context. The third one is blatantly false and everyone in CA knows it.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
The 3rd pic lists how many are incarcerated firefighters... 395. What's blatantly false about that?
How is it a political talking point... Any of it? I said YOU (not you in particular, but anyone) can fact check any of the claims in the images instead of of blindly believing them. And they are sourced from local news and Newsweek.
Hugare
Member
This looks like a warzone
And I would like to take the chance to ask why you guys in the US only build houses with wood? Instead of bricks?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I think it has to do with costs and transporting bricks. But I might be wrong. Similar to tornado country. When it destroys a small US town, everything is destroyed to the ground where it hits. A brick home should withstand it better.
In Canada, just about every house or business building I've seen are either bricks (homes) or bricks/concrete/glass (businesses). So when there's a fire, its rare it gets far in populated areas.
For some context on various big fires in US/Canada lately, this article tells about LA, Jasper and Fort McMurray.
How the L.A. fires compare to Jasper, Fort McMurray, Alberta wildfires
Despite being relatively smaller, the Los Angeles wildfires are already estimated to have cost more than Alberta's worst fires.
edmontonjournal.com
