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Santa Monica issuing evacuation order

Meicyn

Member
She's trying to avoid losing her job or getting sued. But I guarantee the lawsuits are coming and discovery is going to be quite illuminating.
Yeah, there’s definitely an element of self-preservation, which is only reasonable in my view. Admittedly I’m slightly biased in defending her because I’ve been in a similar position when I was in the military. I had written several memorandums for record with encrypted digital timestamps anytime I expressed my disagreement with orders I was given if I felt they were morally bankrupt, even though they were technically lawful.

If you don’t have direct control and folks don’t listen, all you can do is document, document, document. You make the most with what you have been given and try to minimize the damage when what you fear will happen comes to pass. It really sucks when you’re right. When morally bankrupt leaders come face to face with their poor decisions as things go wrong, they will always look for ways to throw their subordinates under the bus to protect their worthless hides.

The fire chief sounded the alarm bells for three straight years by an administration that ignored her. You can see the frustration in her expressions during the interview. When the fires finally stop and the dust settles, I truly hope she gets the resources she asked for and voters begin cleaning house.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
She's trying to avoid losing her job or getting sued. But I guarantee the lawsuits are coming and discovery is going to be quite illuminating.
Here is her second in charge, yep, another lesbian, but it’s her comments that are INSANE


"You want to see somebody that responds to your house, your emergency, whether it's a medical call or a fire call, that looks like you," she said in the same video. For some, these remarks contrast starkly with her dismissal of victims' plights.



The whole damned city is a show.
 

Meicyn

Member
Here is her second in charge, yep, another lesbian, but it’s her comments that are INSANE






The whole damned city is a show.

Yeah, I saw that video and was infuriated. The whole “you shouldn’t have been there” angle is certainly an interesting argument considering the anger she would undoubtedly have if the subject was about sexual assault. I guess victim blaming is cool if you’re a man that’s suffering.

She has the wrong mindset and needs to be terminated from her position.
 
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DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
My barber is from LA, California. He left a long while ago and is disgusted to see what has become of it. He doesn't even want to travel there anymore. He went off today about the wild fires and the people in charge. This is pretty much a man made catastrophe. 100% preventable. It took years of poor decisions to get here. It was inevitable. The amount of pollution caused by these fires is far more than anything being caused by driving gas powered cars. So much hypocrisy from the same people who demand I ride a bike and eat bugs are the same people making these states and countries immense fire hazards that damage the air we breath and cause insane amounts of damage and loss of life. I believe it to be intentional. They literally want to watch the world burn.
I can't remember the last time I heard a politician anywhere say "I fucked up, my policy/decision/idea messed everything up, and I'm going to correct it"

and then actually correct it.

Everyone just blames other people because they don't want their career ruined by taking the blame.
 

ssringo

Gold Member
"You want to see somebody that responds to your house, your emergency, whether it's a medical call or a fire call, that looks like you," she said in the same video. For some, these remarks contrast starkly with her dismissal of victims' plights.

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Like, I guess I can (kinda) understand the logic if it's police answering to something like a domestic call to try and diffuse a bad situation but a medical emergency or fire response? No. No, I actually want someone qualified and capable of doing what's needed. Why the fuck would the looks of my would be rescuer matter if I'm bleeding out or trapped in a house fire? That's just insane.

edit: that comment about the hypothetical husband is infuriating.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
Correct. Climate change deniers will conveniently forget how very little rainfall the area has had for a very long time now. The worst in its history. Caused by altering rainfall patterns that create drought conditions.

IIRC they say socal is in a TWELVE HUNDRED YEAR drought.

So how is human driven climate change at fault? If anything humans are bringing in water for excess plant growth.

This particular incident is 100% human idiocracy.
 

FunkMiller

Member
IIRC they say socal is in a TWELVE HUNDRED YEAR drought.

So how is human driven climate change at fault? If anything humans are bringing in water for excess plant growth.

This particular incident is 100% human idiocracy.


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No. It isn't. It's clearly not. By any metric, with any kind of sensible, level headed analysis, using the available data that's freely available.
 

AlphaDump

Gold Member
Here is her second in charge, yep, another lesbian, but it’s her comments that are INSANE






The whole damned city is a show.


She's the Chief Deputy of their HR if I am not mistaken, she's no fire fighter.

Dumb as fuck comment though that would get my ass fired.
 
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Mr Reasonable

Completely Unreasonable


The whole damned city is a show.

"Can we put out the fire? You shouldn't have lived where fires happen."

I assume that'll be the next video.

Edit: I didn't actually realise she's basically already saying that anyway.

"You want someone who looks like you to show up at your house. Can I carry your husband out of the house (where I've just shown up to and the fire is)?

No."

Presumably the fire trucks are things to ride on and throw beads and candy from during a carnival parade.
 
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Mr Reasonable

Completely Unreasonable
I can't remember the last time I heard a politician anywhere say "I fucked up, my policy/decision/idea messed everything up, and I'm going to correct it"

and then actually correct it.

Everyone just blames other people because they don't want their career ruined by taking the blame.

It'd be refreshing if we did let people make mistakes and learn from them. Alas, everyone knows that isn't possible because everything is ammo for some kind of war.
 
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Mr Reasonable

Completely Unreasonable
Then why did insurance companies cancel fire coverage for 70,000 homes due to historically high risk factors? There are currently five of these fires raging. They're all pyro hobos?
Insurance companies are monitoring how many homeless people are smokers routinely carrying lighters and matches. If more of them got into vaping the insurance companies would come back.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
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No. It isn't. It's clearly not. By any metric, with any kind of sensible, level headed analysis, using the available data that's freely available.
What? If I turn off the heat in my house, open all the doors and windows, then it drops below freezing and all my pipes freeze and burst because I did NOTHING to prevent it and actively made it worse, can I blame "climate change" or my own damn fool self?
 

FunkMiller

Member
What? If I turn off the heat in my house, open all the doors and windows, then it drops below freezing and all my pipes freeze and burst because I did NOTHING to prevent it and actively made it worse, can I blame "climate change" or my own damn fool self?

You're being deliberately dense now. You know I've blamed the actions of the government as well for this disaster. Stop squirming around so much just because you hate the idea of accepting that climate change is a contributing factor to this type of mess. It's both things. Working together to produce a horrible outcome. Governments have to both accept that climate change is happening, and make proper efforts to mitigate its risks and damage. We do that here in Australia as much as possible. America needs to do the same thing. Newsome should have done a much better job of preparing an arid, dry and dangerous California for the kind of fires we're seeing. He did not.
 

SF Kosmo

Banned
You're being deliberately dense now. You know I've blamed the actions of the government as well for this disaster. Stop squirming around so much just because you hate the idea of accepting that climate change is a contributing factor to this type of mess. It's both things. Working together to produce a horrible outcome. Governments have to both accept that climate change is happening, and make proper efforts to mitigate its risks and damage. We do that here in Australia as much as possible. America needs to do the same thing. Newsome should have done a much better job of preparing an arid, dry and dangerous California for the kind of fires we're seeing. He did not.
Right and no one is saying we should throw up our hands and go "Oh well climate change." The lesson here is to recognize that these risk factors are going to continue to get worse and the responsibility is on the policy markers to respond to that and prepare and mitigate in whatever ways are possible.

Denialism is only making excuses for those in power who want to excuse the circumstances as impossible to predict acts of God rather than inevitable.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
Then why did insurance companies cancel fire coverage for 70,000 homes due to historically high risk factors? There are currently five of these fires raging. They're all pyro hobos?

Five fires just spontaneously starting simultaneously strains credibility. Yea, the problem is greatly exacerbated by fire hobos. Los Angeles has had a problem with hobos causing fires for a long time, and it's a growing problem that they haven't done much about. This time, it got out of control and others joined in. LA's homeless situation is really bad and there are hobos living semi-permanently next to this gazillion dollar mansions. They probably won't talk about it because in the end this points to these fires being preventable and would much rather blame it on something they can claim is out of their control. Here's an article about it from last year:

Right and no one is saying we should throw up our hands and go "Oh well climate change." The lesson here is to recognize that these risk factors are going to continue to get worse and the responsibility is on the policy markers to respond to that and prepare and mitigate in whatever ways are possible.

Denialism is only making excuses for those in power who want to excuse the circumstances as impossible to predict acts of God rather than inevitable.

The risk factors from junkie hobos milling about starting fires in what has always been a very dry and arid region are immense, yet it's much easier to say "climate change" because then nobody can really blame the actions of anyone on it. It's just sort of a thing. It's very convenient for incompetent government officials.

As for why the insurance companies canceled, that is discussed in this thread. Companies have not been able to price policies properly for a long time and the state's insurance department wasn't doing its job. I posted an article about it in this thread.
 
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FunkMiller

Member
The risk factors from junkie hobos milling about starting fires in what has always been a very dry and arid region are immense, yet it's much easier to say "climate change" because then nobody can really blame the actions of anyone on it. It's just sort of a thing. It's very convenient for incompetent government officials.

Who is saying that it's all climate change and nothing to do with the management of California?

No one that I've seen. People like yourself are the only ones trying to deny the involvement of one element in the reasons for all these fires, due to your political leanings.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
You're being deliberately dense now. You know I've blamed the actions of the government as well for this disaster. Stop squirming around so much just because you hate the idea of accepting that climate change is a contributing factor to this type of mess. It's both things. Working together to produce a horrible outcome. Governments have to both accept that climate change is happening, and make proper efforts to mitigate its risks and damage. We do that here in Australia as much as possible. America needs to do the same thing. Newsome should have done a much better job of preparing an arid, dry and dangerous California for the kind of fires we're seeing. He did not.
Dude, there have been fires in that area FOREVER. It's nothing new. It's only worse now because HUMANS are doing shit differently and so many people live there than in centuries past.


"Until the 1870’s, wildfires (as today, mostly accidently or purposely human-caused) in the mountains north of Los Angeles were considered more of an attraction than a threat, especially at night. They were fondly described as “tongues of flame licking the Sierra Madre.” Since few people lived on or near the mountains, fires there caused no great alarm. In fact, two cattlemen were reported to annually ignite big fires in the mountains that raised no concern. Wildfires only first became a concern in 1884 when flooding from eroded hillsides wiped out the track system of the Southern Pacific Railroad in the Los Angeles area. Authorities finally banned needless fires and even threatened to prosecute offenders. As fires and flooding resulting from fire erosion increasingly threatened property by the late 1800s, Angelenos lost their fondness for “beautiful” wildfires and demanded fire suppression."

Sound familiar? The hills ALWAYS burn, it's just the nature of that type of terrain.

And from wiki (not my fav source but accurate ion this case I think)

Drought is intrinsic to the natural climate of California.[6] Across the Californian region, paleoclimate records dating back more than 1,000 years show more significant dry periods compared to the latest century. Ancient data reveals two mega-droughts that endured for well over a century, one lasting 220 years and one for 140 years. The 20th century was fraught with numerous droughts, yet this era could be considered relatively "wet" compared against an expansive 3,500 year history. In recent times, droughts lasting five to 10 years have raised concern, but are not anomalous. Rather, decade long droughts are an ordinary feature of the state's innate climate. Based on scientific evidence, dry spells as severe as the mega-droughts detected from the distant past are likely to recur, even in absence of anthropogenic climate change.[7]

"Climate change" is redundant. This is just "climate of southern california". And these fires are natural to the area and it's HUMAN HABITATION getting in the way and exacerbating them.
 

ChuckeRearmed

Gold Member
I am very curious what is going to happen after the fires. They still haven't ended and the costs are like in 100b+ at this point considering the amount of lost property. Plus long term ramifications.
 

FunkMiller

Member
And from wiki (not my fav source but accurate ion this case I think)

Drought is intrinsic to the natural climate of California.[6] Across the Californian region, paleoclimate records dating back more than 1,000 years show more significant dry periods compared to the latest century. Ancient data reveals two mega-droughts that endured for well over a century, one lasting 220 years and one for 140 years. The 20th century was fraught with numerous droughts, yet this era could be considered relatively "wet" compared against an expansive 3,500 year history. In recent times, droughts lasting five to 10 years have raised concern, but are not anomalous. Rather, decade long droughts are an ordinary feature of the state's innate climate. Based on scientific evidence, dry spells as severe as the mega-droughts detected from the distant past are likely to recur, even in absence of anthropogenic climate change.[7]

I love how you quote this section of the article, but then for some reason don't quote the next bit:

According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change or IPCC, their Sixth Assessment Report (AR6) on the effects of climate change revealed a number of scientifically supported claims on what is to become the future of the earth. While variability in climate patterns are a natural occurrence, AR6 concluded that human influences have increased the chance of compound extreme weather events, specifically "increases in the frequency of concurrent heatwaves and droughts on the global scale" with high confidence.[8]

Nor do you quote from sources with more recent data:

https://oehha.ca.gov/climate-change/epic-2022/changes-climate/drought

Droughts are periods of anomalously dry weather that lasts long enough to cause a water shortage. They have significant environmental, social, and economic impacts. Droughts are a natural feature of California's climate and are becoming even drier due to human-induced warming. More severe droughts are part of a climate pattern occurring more frequently in California called weather whiplash -- dramatic shifts between heavy rainfall and severe droughts. For more information, download the Drought chapter.

  • California has become increasingly dry since 1895. From 2012 to 2016, California experienced the most severe drought on record: thirteen of the 30 driest months on record occurred during this period.
  • Except for brief wet periods in the 2017 and 2019 water years, drought conditions have largely persisted through 2021 and 2022.

Yes, California has always been dry... the same way the outback here has been here. The problem is not that. It's the moving from one extreme to the other. Climate change creates more extreme weather conditions. More extreme weather conditions create more disasters. Drought periods are extended greatly beyond norms. Flooding increases well over previous levels.

Because... and say this with me... the climate is changing. Due to the actions of humanity.

I know the temptation is to look at records from decades and centuries gone by and come to the conclusion that nothing has changed. But it has. The severity has changed. The length has changed. The extremities have changed. That's the problem. The whiplash. That's what we're doing.
 
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Puscifer

Member
All I can say is that this sounds far too similar to the Maui fires.
Man those fires have been straight up memory holed. Along with the people seen walking around during the fires at Notre Dame.

Don't ask questions, stop noticing things, run with the narrative.

Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see doesn't even apply anymore
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I know the temptation is to look at records from decades and centuries gone by and come to the conclusion that nothing has changed. But it has. The severity has changed. The length has changed. The extremities have changed. That's the problem. That's what we're doing.
All you can look at for sure is past data. Future speculation is just that, speculation. Remember just a few decades ago when they said the earth was heading to an ice age? But it's easy enough to look at SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA and see the wildfire risk, the risk that has always been there in recent human history. Human population in that area has grown from like half a million to like FOUR MILLION in the last century, so of course there has been an impact on the local environment. You don't need ANY "global climate change" to explain this, it's just plain bad human management.
 

FunkMiller

Member
All you can look at for sure is past data. Future speculation is just that, speculation. Remember just a few decades ago when they said the earth was heading to an ice age? But it's easy enough to look at SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA and see the wildfire risk, the risk that has always been there in recent human history. Human population in that area has grown from like half a million to like FOUR MILLION in the last century, so of course there has been an impact on the local environment. You don't need ANY "global climate change" to explain this, it's just plain bad human management.

Yes. And the data clearly shows that the extremes are getting worse. Just for a moment try to leave your biases behind and engage with the facts.

Look at the link I provided for you from the OEHHA. Or this one. Or this one. Or many, many others. The extremes are worse now. They just are. It's happening everywhere.

You're right to say the human population has increased, thus increasing the chances of fires caused by humans rising. Marry that with a drier more extreme drought condition caused by climate change, and you have the reasons why these fires are happening.
 
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Chittagong

Gold Member
On the way to Antarctica via LAX we had a pressurisation issue and had to dump fuel and land back.

In four hours, we due to depart on our return via LAX, landing there around 6AM tomorrow morning, staying in a downtown hotel for the day and flying out at 11PM. I was planning to go to Best Buy West Hollywood and Grove to pick up a PS5 Pro and some cosmetics.

How bad is my travel plan?

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Was no problem at all. Hollywood sign is intact, The Grove was buzzing, and I have another PS5 Pro in the bag. Driving around in a robotaxi.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I can't remember the last time I heard a politician anywhere say "I fucked up, my policy/decision/idea messed everything up, and I'm going to correct it"

and then actually correct it.

Everyone just blames other people because they don't want their career ruined by taking the blame.
Politics is the type of job which they almost never admit defeat. It's weird, but thats the way it is. The first thing they'll do is try to deflect it to the opposition party.

McDonalds fucked up with contaminated food months ago. Out of all the millions of people who eat it daily (more like hourly), as usual only a small number of people got affected. They still did an apology. Now someone will say, but you cant trust them. It's a bogus CEO apology. Maybe it is , maybe it isnt but they still man up and do it. It takes a lot of bravado to admit defeat to the public, or even in a company board room in front of 100 people. But it happens and people take action to fix it.

 

Kacho

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