davidwhangchoi
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yeah, that happened to my FFIII saves
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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe
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I don't know whether it was before or at the same time, but yes, there is a Sega version of the hardware. As far as I know they were released together.
Has anyone here used the Hyperkin GN6 controller with their Genny/MD? I'm contemplating getting one given my OG 6-button is starting to get a little flaky and squishy.
Sub-question: Does the USB version of this controller feel just as good as the one with the 9-pin connector?
For reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/39t1x5/my_thoughts_on_the_hyperkin_gn6_controller/
Sub-question: Does the USB version of this controller feel just as good as the one with the 9-pin connector?
For reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/39t1x5/my_thoughts_on_the_hyperkin_gn6_controller/
Laws00
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never had the heart to play again afterwards lol
something like that happened to my friends final fantasy 2 usa for snes
i had a save file at the very bottom and some how my friends data messed up and deleted the top his save file.
sixteen-bit
Member
That's pretty weird to release simultaneously. I wonder why. Maybe some licensing clause?
I'd be interested in hearing impressions on this one too, it certainly looks like it could be a good option for me, since shipping anything to Canada off of eBay adds about $15 to a purchase.
They should be pretty easy to come buy, I'm getting one delivered from a local seller (in Australia) for ~$25AU. I'm sure there'd be someone in Canada selling them locally too.
Obviously won't be able to compare it to a brand new genuine controller, but I'll do my best to compare it to the well-loved one I already have.
Looking forward to your impressions! And yeah, I can get one of the Hyperkin controllers for around $17 CAD, whereas a used OEM Sega controller would be around $40 CAD once factoring in shipping.
davidwhangchoi
Member
i posted some news on retroGAF (not sure if it's old news) but here's the megadrive being reproduced:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRN_r5QTSKw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRN_r5QTSKw
Laevateinn
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Can you post porn in here?
These can't be exact clones, right? I would assume that sourcing original model chips is out of the question. So I have to assume that these are system-on-a-chip consoles.
Edit: Yup, it's an emulator box with composite only. No thanks. A pristine case is nice, but the guts leave much to be desired.
http://www.tectoy.com.br/pre-venda-mega-drive-edicao-limitada/p/995040461825
davidwhangchoi
Member
yeah, it's like a nes mini. it was presented to Tsurumi Naoya, Executive Vice President of Sega Sammy Holdings as a gift.
Laevateinn
Member
Got my copy of RangerX. I should be able to play it this weekend after I've finished Shining Force 2.
That price can't be right, it equates to almost $200AUD!
Be great to use as a Pi case, but what's the point? Just get one of those Genesis USB hubs and wedge one in there.
There are 2 super moves, a standing and a dashing one. The standing one doesn't make you lose health if you don't hit an enemy while the dashing one does no matter if it hits an enemy or not. You can't get extra continues either.
Laevateinn
Member
Sonic 2 didn't get all 10s? This is an outrage. I hope the editors were fired so they could reflect on how stupid, fat, and abused they were. They are obviously Nintendo shills.
sixteen-bit
Member
EGM didn't have much access to Nintendo at the time so it would make sense they'd favor non-Nintendo games, right?
Han Seoul-Oh
Banned
Hey Genesis Gaf I was wondering if you guys could help me out. I have two 32X and both have this issue were they will only display the bottom bar for Doom and have a black screen for the game play, and only fire and other background graphics for Spider-man Web of Fire. The other 32X games I have suffer from the same problem. I thought my original 32X was bad so I bought a second one only to have the same issues as the first. I also tried a new Genesis to 32X cable but still have the problem. I can play 16 bit games through both 32X's no problem. Is it possible that I need to get another Genesis?
Laevateinn
Member
The 32x works by having the Genesis process and display the backgrounds and the 32x process and display the more complicated things. If you don't have or if there is something wrong with the link cable between the Genesis and the 32x, this is what will happen.
Could it be a problem with the power supply to the 32X? Does the 32X need to be powered for it to act as a pass-through for Genesis games?
Laevateinn
Member
That could also be it. I usually leave my 32x unpowered because the setup is ridiculous. It's definitely not a problem with the Genesis though. After two 32Xs, I would lean more towards it being a problem with an external thing like the link cable or power supply.
Laws00
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I loved shadow dancer when I played it on sega channel.
Years later I bought it
I like this game over revenge of shinobi which I do indeed dislike on a visually level.
There is something about early sega genesis games I just do not visually maybe is the color palette used. I like my games colorful and not rough looking
Years later I bought it
I like this game over revenge of shinobi which I do indeed dislike on a visually level.
There is something about early sega genesis games I just do not visually maybe is the color palette used. I like my games colorful and not rough looking
Laevateinn
Member
It probably comes down to three things: tools and understanding. The developers back then had a good understanding of the 68k. They had been using it for a while. But they probably weren't experts at the special tricks that could really let the Genesis excel. Specifically, it probably had to do with DMA.
With an understanding of DMA, a developer could get the processor to blast data into memory in between scan lines. This would let them do things like dynamically adjust the palette or do weird things with the memory. This was the Mega Drive's secret weapon and the biggest reason it was able to remain competitive for so long.
I've never played Shadow Dancer though so I'm just talking in general.
Laws00
Member
thank you i learned something new today
im not familiar with console wars, blast processing and all that jazz. It was just about the games for me. I didn't care I was barely 5 or 6 years old in 1991.
I got genesis in 1995 or 1994 right when it was on its last legs. (I remember my parents rented sonic 3 for my birthday along with mortal kombat 1)
Shadow Dancer and Shinobi 3 are my favorite
Never played Shinobi Legions or X. I thought it looked bad not to mention the reviews didnt make it seem all that great
Bar81
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February 1991 VG&CE reviews of Shadow Dancer, Burning Force and Arrow Flash.
Really good review and nice comparison to Revenge. Thanks for this.
Laevateinn
Member
One hour and a half later, I finally get a Gisarme. The last time I played Shining Force 2, I played on an emulator and used a hex editor to convert my mithril into the weapons I wanted. I'm a much better blacksmith than a dwarf.
Han Seoul-Oh
Banned
Thanks. The cable I bought should be here by Monday so I'll report back then whether it fixes it or not.
IrishNinja
Member
Shadow Dancer always feels underrated, such a great sequel to the arcade origins of the series
Shining Force 2 is so, so great...i wish i could print a cardboard box for my us copy, but Leva here hooked it up with a JP one with a color manual & map!
that one's been in queue forever now, i wanna say i saw a patch at romhacking that gave it better diagonal controls or something? meant to try that one
also dead @ GOP health plan
hitting this & last weekend's Game Sack up today, cheers!
Shining Force 2 is so, so great...i wish i could print a cardboard box for my us copy, but Leva here hooked it up with a JP one with a color manual & map!
that one's been in queue forever now, i wanna say i saw a patch at romhacking that gave it better diagonal controls or something? meant to try that one
also dead @ GOP health plan
hitting this & last weekend's Game Sack up today, cheers!
Han Seoul-Oh
Banned
So an update on my 32X situation: It unfortunately still has the same issue. I tested the new cable out with both 32X's and the issue still occurred. I have been considering getting an all in one power supply from retro game supply, but before I buy it I was wondering if anyone here would recommend it.
So I didn't get an extensive go at the controller because my PVM was crapping out for some reason, but from what I used the controller feels like how I imagine a NIB OG 6-button would feel. D-pad and buttons are a little stiffer than my well-loved OG, fireballs in SF2SCE were a breeze to pull off.
The plug where it connects to the 9-pin on the console even has the same raised bump on it that the original 6-button has, so I'd almost say they've reverse engineered the pad to the point of duplicating the mold off the original.
I might pull them both apart and have a look, just to compare. I'd even take a guess and say that the parts are interchangeable.
davidwhangchoi
Member
hi can anyone school me on Shining Force? there's a cart Sega CD version.
there's part II... i see the series on other systems. i already picked up the dungeon crawler one a few weeks ago. Shining in the darkness.
which are the ones to get? the carts?
there's part II... i see the series on other systems. i already picked up the dungeon crawler one a few weeks ago. Shining in the darkness.
which are the ones to get? the carts?
Laevateinn
Member
You called?
Sega in the 80s an 90s had two RPG pillars: Shining and Phantasy Star. While Phantasy Star was more of a traditional RPG, Shining had a lot more variety.
Shining Force is obviously the most famous and popular subseries but as you're aware the series fit into a few different RPG subgenres. Shining in the Darkness and Shining the Holy Ark are 3D first person dungeon crawlers. While Shining in the Darkness is just okay -- it was the beginning of the series -- Shining the Holy Ark is pretty great.
Shining Force came after Shining in the Darkness and is somewhat of a sequel to it. The main bad guy in Shining Force is related to the bad guy in Shining in the Darkness. It's a tactical game and while it gets compared to Fire Emblem they are very different. The creator of the Shining series actually disliked Fire Emblem and was going for more of a Dragon Quest feel.
Shining Force Gaiden is the Game Gear series. All of them progress the story of the first game to some extent especially the Japan only Gaiden 3 which is a bridge between Shining Force 1 and 2. Shining Force Gaiden 1 and 2 were remade with Redbook Audio and updated graphics as Shining Force CD which has a fun secret quest added. I don't like these games as much because there's no exploration and NPCs.
Shining Force 2 is a pretty massive game. It is bright, has great artwork and a wonderful soundtrack. While most Shining Force games have 30 battles, Shining Force 2 has 44. Shining Force 2 also allows free exploration of the world rather than being divided into self-contained chapters. This lets you do a few of the battles out of order and a lot more secrets. This is a lot of people's favorites but I feel like a lot of the battles could be cut and that there are too many recruitable characters that don't do enough to differentiate themselves.
On the Saturn, there's 3 or 6 (depending on how you look at things) Shining titles.
The first is Shining Wisdom. This is nothing more than a decent Zelda clone. It doesn't get a lot of love but, if you have a controller with auto-fire, I recommend it. If you like Magic Knight Rayearth, you'll like this too.
Shining the Holy Ark is a must have. It has excellent 3D for the Saturn, a great battle system and provides much needed backstory for Shining Force 3.
Shining Force 3 is my favorite game ever. When it came out, I came down with a mysterious illness for a week and played it non-stop. Shining Force 3 is another tactical game that adds several great features. My favorite is the friendship system where characters that work together will give each other stat bonuses whenever they are near each other provided you do not let them die.
Shining Force 3 is really 3 and a half games. It tells the story of a massive war that consumes the continent. Around the time of Shining the Holy Ark, several precincts of a massive continental empire rebelled due to massive inequality and attempted to form a democratic society that distributed the wealth more equitably. As time went on, the people in parts of this breakaway country became stressed due to a poor climate and harvest and started to have unrest which gave the empire an opportunity to swoop in and attempt to reclaim their lost territory. In Shining Force 3 Scenario 1, you control a small army that is escorting the King of the Republic to safety. In Scenario 2, you control the prince of the Empire as he attempts to find out what happened to his father and what caused the fighting. And in Scenario 3, you play as an extremely minor NPC from Shining the Holy Ark who, now grown up, is leading the fight against the cult that is behind everything.
Everything released after Shining Force 3 is shit. Some of it is okay but don't bother. It's not made by the same people. Sega burnt those bridges.
You might also be interested in Landstalker. Landstalker is an isometric action RPG for the Genesis which was made by the designers and programmers of Shining Force 1 with music by the guy who did Shining Force 2.
IrishNinja
Member
so, as you said, In The Darkness is a fantastic dungeon crawler which takes place further down the timeline
Shining Force I & II are the series proper, as some of the finest SRPG's out there. The Sega-CD game is a few game gear campaigns/side stories with an all-new one, and bridge the gap between I & II a bit.
they've all gone up a bit in price, but they're all absolute classics & you can't go wrong with any of em. better still, each serves as a very satisfying campaign in & of itself, so while it's neat to know lore/etc from other titles, you can literally jump in on whatever you find first and not really worry about big spoilers/etc or feeling left out.
Shining Force I & II are the series proper, as some of the finest SRPG's out there. The Sega-CD game is a few game gear campaigns/side stories with an all-new one, and bridge the gap between I & II a bit.
they've all gone up a bit in price, but they're all absolute classics & you can't go wrong with any of em. better still, each serves as a very satisfying campaign in & of itself, so while it's neat to know lore/etc from other titles, you can literally jump in on whatever you find first and not really worry about big spoilers/etc or feeling left out.
Laevateinn
Member
Check out Shining Force Central!
davidwhangchoi
Member
IrishNinja
Member
phew, Laevateinn tore that one up - i learned some stuff there!
Landstalker stays high in queue but i really should get back to SF III scenario Ii sometime
Landstalker stays high in queue but i really should get back to SF III scenario Ii sometime
Laevateinn
Member
I took Japanese because 2/3 of Shining Force 3 were never brought over. It's also the reason I took an interest in politics and wanted to become a programmer. Sadly, Shining Force has probably had a bigger impact on my life than just about anything.
My mom got me Shining Force from a pawn shop when I was 8 or 9 and it was basically the only thing I played for months. I sucked at RPGs and strategy and only really used my main character and Zylo, the werewolf, because they were cool. I got to the second to last battle but was stuck forever because I was essentially playing a 2-man challenge run with no healers. Eventually I figured it out and it was one of my biggest triumphs.
Anri was also my first waifu.
After I finish my Phantasy Star tattoo, I'm thinking about getting one with Jogurt leading the force on my back.
My mom got me Shining Force from a pawn shop when I was 8 or 9 and it was basically the only thing I played for months. I sucked at RPGs and strategy and only really used my main character and Zylo, the werewolf, because they were cool. I got to the second to last battle but was stuck forever because I was essentially playing a 2-man challenge run with no healers. Eventually I figured it out and it was one of my biggest triumphs.
Anri was also my first waifu.
After I finish my Phantasy Star tattoo, I'm thinking about getting one with Jogurt leading the force on my back.
Laevateinn
Member
Yes. Holy Ark gives a lot of back story about Innovators and Vandals and introduces one specific Vandal that would have been the enemy in Shining Force 4.
Sold. Will order one this week.
Do it. Despite my lack of decent time on it, truth is that with your eyes closed, you'd swear it was an OG one (if you didn't use them back-to-back).
TBH I'm surprised something very specifically made for an old console (ie. not USB) is actually decent quality and not super expensive.
sixteen-bit
Member
I love this Indian Mega Drive commercial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck6hE2uCrPY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck6hE2uCrPY