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[Mossybrew]

The outcome of driving fucking drunk is pounded into everyone.

Yet people still do it constantly. All the time every day. We see an average of 10-15 new DUIs in our office each week. And those are just the people who happened to be caught!

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

I am reminded of how insanely lucky I am when I see shit like this. Been sober for over a decade, but when I drank, I did it all day everyday. For almost 17 years I drove drunk daily, it became so second nature that I had zero fear of it.
Somehow, someway, I never managed to hurt anyone or myself. Never got a dui, hell, during that entire time span I only got one ticket for not wearing a seat belt.
I'll never forgive myself for a lot of the things I did when I was in active addiction, but I think about "what could've been" frequently. Even after a decade of sobriety, I think about stuff like that almost daily.

For sure.

I used to ride drunk from parties/bar hopping because I thought “I’m not that drunk that I can’t ride”. Until one day I stopped before getting home to grab a snack from a 24/7 place and the waiter refused to service me and removed me from the place (not forcefully but rather telling me off while blocking with the body I’m sure you’ve seen it).

Since then I pay cab fares.

 

[iPaul93]

not everyone reacts the same to extreme situations. I bet therebwould be some that would be completely stunned and unable to say or react to anything

I mean she was singing and dancing in the hospital and it looks like she doesn't give a shit that she just killed two people.

 

[chromhound]

She can study for free in prison for the next 14 years

 

[Beastclaw Raider]

She can study for free in prison for the next 14 years

Sad part is only 14 years

 

[StueyDuck]

As someone who was in a serious accident at the end of last year and was almost paralyzed because of dumb cunt drunk drivers.

Fuck this bitch. Let her rot

 

[TheDreadBaron]

Since the OP posted the video - it seems like it does. Here's how many WTF moments you get from someone living in Europe:

1. Why is that video being released without her consent?
2. Why is the cop giving his remarks and opinions?
3. Why is it so fucking easy in the US to get a driver's licence?
4. Why is it so fucking easy in the US to escape punishment for DUI? In Europe the moment you get busted with a blip above the legal limit (which is hilariously low in some countries) you know SHIT IS GOING DOWN

I don't want to excuse her - she is a POS and should rot in jail. However the whole conversation is missing a few crucial things.

Lol I love that you got offended that the cop wasn’t professional enough with his personal opinions, as if he had a duty to express zero emotions. He was clearly frustrated that he had to clean up this terrible person’s mess and she wasn’t even acknowledging any of the reality. Do you think you could be in the same room as that person and maintain 100% professionalism and decorum? Do you think she deserves to have her identity protected? It’s not easy to escape punishment for DUI in the US, not sure where you’re getting that from. Drivers license you have to take a standard test, do they make you climb a mountain in Europe?

So what happens in the European version of this, they form a committee to review the secret polite cop footage and jointly sign an official rebuke of this young woman’s poor judgment, while formally recommending alcohol treatment?

 

[Trunx81]

So what happens in the European version of this, they form a committee to review the secret polite cop footage and jointly sign an official rebuke of this young woman’s poor judgment, while formally recommending alcohol treatment?

no, they would fire the cop for releasing the video, discuss over it for hours in talkshows and a movement "Let her go to school!" would form and take the streets.

 

[Toons]

Since the OP posted the video - it seems like it does. Here's how many WTF moments you get from someone living in Europe:

1. Why is that video being released without her consent?
2. Why is the cop giving his remarks and opinions?
3. Why is it so fucking easy in the US to get a driver's licence?
4. Why is it so fucking easy in the US to escape punishment for DUI? In Europe the moment you get busted with a blip above the legal limit (which is hilariously low in some countries) you know SHIT IS GOING DOWN

I don't want to excuse her - she is a POS and should rot in jail. However the whole conversation is missing a few crucial things..

All of your questions can basically be answered by saying "our legal and judicial system in the US is FUBAR"

Idk how a [EDIT NOT A MINOR] face, voice and this tape has even reached the public but it shouldn't have without her express consent. Cop should be reprimanded if not fired.

And yes, she displays traits of pure psychopathic indifference here. Could be shock but its not usual to see someone so young so detached from humanity.

 

[EviLore]

Idk how a minors face

She's 24.

 

[Toons]

She's 24.

Ah, will edit. Thanks. When I hear "school" I think of high school lol

 

[Umbasaborne]

Selfish piece of shit garbage of a human being. Hope she rots

 

[Cyberpunkd]

So what happens in the European version of this, they form a committee to review the secret polite cop footage and jointly sign an official rebuke of this young woman’s poor judgment, while formally recommending alcohol treatment?

Let’s start with the fact the footage never gets released.

 

[TheDreadBaron]

Let’s start with the fact the footage never gets released.

Ok? Yay Europe, champion of reckless unrepentant murderers privacy? I guess I don’t understand the moral argument that this person has a right to privacy.

 

[Patrick S.]

What a pedazo de mierda.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Let’s start with the fact the footage never gets released.

So all of the information is controlled and not shared at all?

 

[Days like these...]

Ok? Yay Europe, champion of reckless unrepentant murderers privacy? I guess I don’t understand the moral argument that this person has a right to privacy.

Seems like they just have a strong hate boner for America. Don't get me wrong America is dystopian and sucks in many many ways but a cop being brutally honest and slightly annoyed at a psychopath who is trolling him is not it.

 

[ahtlas7]

“I’m so sorry for everything, and I will never, ever commit anything like that again,” she said. “I have not drank since that day. I do not plan on drinking ever again. I want to try to do something positive to make a difference, speak out about this and warn others about the dangers that come with drinking.”

The number of times she used the word “I”. Freaking Narcissist

 

[Days like these...]

The number of times she used the word “I”. Freaking Narcissist

I'm relieved that she reassured us that she will never kill anyone again. It's really comforting.

 

[cash_longfellow]

God I wish the ending would have been better to that show.

 

[AlteredForms]

God I wish the ending would have been better to that show.

Never watched it, but I do know it was based on a book by the same dude who influenced Blade Runner.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Ok? Yay Europe, champion of reckless unrepentant murderers privacy? I guess I don’t understand the moral argument that this person has a right to privacy.

It does because it is the same citizen as you with same right (although if I understand it correctly US courts love to strip convicts of their civil rights).

There are a few things this socialist hell that is Europe does better than US:

1. Prison system that focuses mostly on rehabilitation, not mob punishment
2. Drivers permit being way more difficult to obtain
3. Cities build around public transportation and actively discouraging car use which contributes to pollution and - guess what - pedestrian deaths

It’s easy to get outraged over a video like that, actively addressing the problem (which is addressed in Europe) is much harder.

You can have both privacy and a functioning state, you don’t have to choose.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

So all of the information is controlled and not shared at all?

What purpose does video like this serve? It will be given to the judge and acted on accordingly. Releasing it to the public is mob justice, coupled with a cop that seems super eager to share his opinion on that person.

 

[Spyxos]

What purpose does video like this serve? It will be given to the judge and acted on accordingly. Releasing it to the public is mob justice, coupled with a cop that seems super eager to share his opinion on that person.

I can only describe what happened to me. I was walking through a shopping mall last year. All of a sudden I saw a guy spitting/biting and attacking people in the distance.

I filmed it. Not even 10 seconds later I was surrounded by 2 cops and they told me to delete it immediately or they would take me away. It was more important for them that I delete the video instead of taking care of the crazy guy. The crazy ones here have too many rights.

 

[farmerboy]

You don't think she can possibly be in a shock by what she did and the brain is trying to cope?

Yes possible I suppose.

I'm gonna bet that the person found guilty of a DUI was drunk in that video.


This is non sensical gibberish. I've never heard anyone apply moral relativism to DUI laws, and even if it had been why exactly is it relevant when in the past DUIs were treated by society as essentially a rite of passage?

Shock, rather than drunkeness is a more plausible explanation for her behaviour.

Regardless, I felt her reaction had a level of narcissism that is far too prevalent in todays youth.

 

[Days like these...]

What purpose does video like this serve? It will be given to the judge and acted on accordingly. Releasing it to the public is mob justice, coupled with a cop that seems super eager to share his opinion on that person.

So she can act like a complete remorseless piece of shit for killing 2 people but the cop has to show no emotion and don't @ me saying she was in shock you don't know that to be true.

 

[Soodanim]

You guys ever heard of "moral luck" its a type of bias I learned recently but it explains the 15 yr sentence. There are millions of drunk drivers per year but most of them actually make it home without incident. Cosmically they've committed the same reckless behavior as this woman, however due to bad luck she hits two people who just happen to be crossing the street at the wrong time but also hits them fatally so we consider her actions to be heinous (even if we ignore her strange behavior).

Moral luck describes circumstances whereby a moral agent is assigned moral blame or praise for an action or its consequences, even if it is clear that said agent did not have full control over either the action or its consequences.

What kind of outrageous fatalist nonsense is this? Can't just blame death on the butterfly effect, bitch made choices

 

[TheDreadBaron]

It does because it is the same citizen as you with same right (although if I understand it correctly US courts love to strip convicts of their civil rights).

There are a few things this socialist hell that is Europe does better than US:

1. Prison system that focuses mostly on rehabilitation, not mob punishment
2. Drivers permit being way more difficult to obtain
3. Cities build around public transportation and actively discouraging car use which contributes to pollution and - guess what - pedestrian deaths

It’s easy to get outraged over a video like that, actively addressing the problem (which is addressed in Europe) is much harder.

You can have both privacy and a functioning state, you don’t have to choose.

I’m not trying to make it a USA is better than Europe thing, I agree our prison situation is deplorable. I just don’t think this example really demonstrates any of your points. She is lightly scolded by a police officer having to act as the parent who didn’t teach her right, and is handed a relatively light prison sentence given her actions. The camera protects everyone in the situation, and I don’t think she should have a right to privacy in this circumstance where she has killed two people in public, I wouldn’t expect that for myself either. The video being available serves a great purpose of discrediting her self-serving “apology” Also, don’t they have cameras everywhere in Europe?

Look, y’all have great cheese, a cool particle accelerator, and a great cultural philosophy on work-life balance, but I just don’t think this is the example to point to about human rights violations.

 

[Trogdor1123]

What purpose does video like this serve? It will be given to the judge and acted on accordingly. Releasing it to the public is mob justice, coupled with a cop that seems super eager to share his opinion on that person.

I didn’t ask about purpose. I asked about it being shared and controlled.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Never watched it, but I do know it was based on a book by the same dude who influenced Blade Runner.

Sucks because for a minute it was one of my favorite shows of all time…I’m still not discounting it, because it was fascinating and amazing, I just felt like they didn’t do it enough Justice at the end. If you enjoyed the book; you would definitely enjoy the show thought. I would recommend checking it out. Let me know what you think after it ends, if you do check it out!

 

[pramod]

One basic lifehack (it can basically save your life) when living in the US is to not walk around dark streets at night. People drive like lunatics and have bad eyesight.

I'm surprised these victims didn't know that.

That's why I don't even bike around anymore like I used to in my youth. All it takes is one drunk dumbass and you're dead. Better to just drive everywhere.

 

[AlteredForms]

One basic lifehack (it can basically save your life) when living in the US is to not walk around dark streets at night.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

You guys ever heard of "moral luck" its a type of bias I learned recently but it explains the 15 yr sentence. There are millions of drunk drivers per year but most of them actually make it home without incident. Cosmically they've committed the same reckless behavior as this woman, however due to bad luck she hits two people who just happen to be crossing the street at the wrong time but also hits them fatally so we consider her actions to be heinous (even if we ignore her strange behavior).

Moral luck describes circumstances whereby a moral agent is assigned moral blame or praise for an action or its consequences, even if it is clear that said agent did not have full control over either the action or its consequences.

I don’t think that applies here.

“Even if the agent didn’t have full control over either the action or its consequences”…

She got in a car and drove, absolutely hammered. She had complete control over that action, and is old enough to understand the consequences.

I think she got a lenient sentence because, despite her odd behaviour she was actually fairly polite and co-operative, and called the police on herself.

 

[HoodWinked]

I don’t think that applies here.

“Even if the agent didn’t have full control over either the action or its consequences”…

She got in a car and drove, absolutely hammered. She had complete control over that action, and is old enough to understand the consequences.

I think she got a lenient sentence because, despite her odd behaviour she was actually fairly polite and co-operative, and called the police on herself.

You're not really understanding the concept.

Take two individuals and they both shoot into a crowd. One shoots and kills a pregnant woman. The other by chance doesn't hit anyone.

Both have done the same action but one will be a double murderer while the other a much lower offense.

 

[01011001]

You guys ever heard of "moral luck" its a type of bias I learned recently but it explains the 15 yr sentence. There are millions of drunk drivers per year but most of them actually make it home without incident. Cosmically they've committed the same reckless behavior as this woman, however due to bad luck she hits two people who just happen to be crossing the street at the wrong time but also hits them fatally so we consider her actions to be heinous (even if we ignore her strange behavior).

Moral luck describes circumstances whereby a moral agent is assigned moral blame or praise for an action or its consequences, even if it is clear that said agent did not have full control over either the action or its consequences.

yes, that's a strange concept to think about, because I bet almost everyone here knows someone that at some point did something like this but got away with it, simply by being lucky.

change just one little detail, like getting in the car 30 seconds earlier or later and you're fine, people might call you a dick... but get in the car at just the wrong time, just to drive by the wrong spot, and you hit someone.

basically the exact same scenario but your entire future and the opinions of people around you change drastically simply because of a 30 second time difference.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

You're not really understanding the concept.

Take two individuals and they both shoot into a crowd. One shoots and kills a pregnant woman. The other by chance doesn't hit anyone.

Both have done the same action but one will be a double murderer while the other a much lower offense.

Oh I understand the concept.

I just take issue with describing some drink driving scumbag as “an agent without full control of their actions and their consequences” as grossly disingenuous.

How did she not have full control of her decision to drink and drive?

“She just got some bad luck.”

Fuck off…

 

[NecrosaroIII]

Ok? Yay Europe, champion of reckless unrepentant murderers privacy? I guess I don’t understand the moral argument that this person has a right to privacy.

For what it's worth, if this video was released before her trial then it could bias a jury against since we essentially have to take the cop's word that she killed 2 people while drunk, without any evidence proven (out of context).

 

[L*][*N*K]

I would lose my shit if I was that cop

 

[01011001]

Ok? Yay Europe, champion of reckless unrepentant murderers privacy? I guess I don’t understand the moral argument that this person has a right to privacy.

ok, extreme example but, imagine you get arrested because the Police found 50GB of child porn has been downloaded via torrent through your ip adress/internet connection.

you get into the station, get filmed, the film gets released online with the headline "Man accused of downloading 50GB of Child Porn arrested"

now 3 months later it comes out someone was driving through the streets in your neighborhood and looked for easy to compromise Wifi access points and found your's, downloading said 50gb of CP, which has been found on his laptop along with your wifi data being still saved on the laptop's wifi settings.

your face is still out there, many people would have only seen the initial reports but not the developments of your story after that.

are you ok with that being legal?

 

[TheDreadBaron]

Oh I understand the concept.

I just take issue with describing some drink driving scumbag as “an agent without full control of their actions and their consequences” as grossly disingenuous.

How did she not have full control of her decision to drink and drive?

“She just got some bad luck.”

Fuck off…

I understand your negative feelings towards her and the issue of taking responsibility. I don’t think anyone is meaning to say she’s not responsible, it’s just a “what if” thought experiment. What is out of her control is the conditions outside on the road, which may have changed the outcome if they were different. My friend hit and killed an autistic kid who had a habit of sprinting out into the road, it’s interesting to consider the what ifs. What if he had been drinking and the exact same thing happened, would he be guilty of a much greater crime? Probably, what about being distracted by his phone? People take risks all the time and it usually works out, like glancing down at your phone, so it’s a worthwhile thought experiment to take stock of the risks you take in your own life and be reminded of what can happen when it all goes wrong and ruins your life. Hopefully anyone with a conscience would react much differently than this seemingly horrible person.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

I understand your negative feelings towards her and the issue of taking responsibility. I don’t think anyone is meaning to say she’s not responsible, it’s just a “what if” thought experiment. What is out of her control is the conditions outside on the road, which may have changed the outcome if they were different. My friend hit and killed an autistic kid who had a habit of sprinting out into the road, it’s interesting to consider the what ifs. What if he had been drinking and the exact same thing happened, would he be guilty of a much greater crime? Probably, what about being distracted by his phone? People take risks all the time and it usually works out, like glancing down at your phone, so it’s a worthwhile thought experiment to take stock of the risks you take in your own life and be reminded of what can happen when it all goes wrong and ruins your life. Hopefully anyone with a conscience would react much differently than this seemingly horrible person.

Yeah, fair enough, I guess “the actions” could refer to the people walking into the road as opposed to her choosing to drive after drinking.

But yeah, I don’t think she should be afforded such considerations.

Don’t drink and drive, simple as that.

 

[TheDreadBaron]

ok, extreme example but, imagine you get arrested because the Police found 50GB of child porn has been downloaded via torrent through your ip adress/internet connection.

you get into the station, get filmed, the film gets released online with the headline "Man accused of downloading 50GB of Child Porn arrested"

now 3 months later it comes out someone was driving through the streets in your neighborhood and looked for easy to compromise Wifi access points and found your's, downloading said 50gb of CP, which has been found on his laptop along with your wifi data being still saved on the laptop's wifi settings.

your face is still out there, many people would have only seen the initial reports but not the developments of your story after that.

are you ok with that being legal?

That’s a good example, I think the issue there is being accused and arrested on flimsy evidence, but people being falsely accused is a problem with spreading this stuff through media. I’m not comfortable with the alternative of this information being very secretive either, so I guess I can’t see a perfect solution.

 

[01011001]

That’s a good example, I think the issue there is being accused and arrested on flimsy evidence, but people being falsely accused is a problem with spreading this stuff through media. I’m not comfortable with the alternative of this information being very secretive either, so I guess I can’t see a perfect solution.

but what exactly do you personally gain from knowing that this girl killed someone whole drunk driving?
what are you gonna do? look at her angrily?
you'll never meet her, it's not like this helps you or the general public in any way.

 

[Laieon]

4. Why is it so fucking easy in the US to escape punishment for DUI? In Europe the moment you get busted with a blip above the legal limit (which is hilariously low in some countries) you know SHIT IS GOING DOWN

I can't speak for every state, but here in Houston I honestly think part of it is that enforcing DUIs and implementing strict punishments would simultaneously require admitting that for a massive chunk of the metro area, the only way to get to work/school/literally anywhere requires driving due to our abysmal and/or complete lack of public transportation systems. I know that in the Houston metro area, we barely enforce speed limits and license plates (Altimas with paper plates are a cliche at this point), much less DUIs. I'm sure that there are also plenty of people with DUIs (who might not even have a license anymore) who choose to drive anyway, because how else are they getting to work or the kids to school? I lived in Korea for a few years and on average people drink significantly more there than they do here, but instead of driving home they'll either crash at a Jimjilbang, drink at one of the numerous places within walking distance of their home, or use one of the numerous public transportation options available to them. Cars aren't a necessity their, but they essentially are here.

Obviously the solution would just be to take a fucking Uber or something to the bar, but like HoodWinked pointed out, I'm sure plenty of folk's monkey brains make the decision not to pay that $60 because statistically, they're not going to be the ones to get caught and they live in a country that indoctrinates them with "rugged individualism" their entire life, so why give a shit about keeping your community safe when you can save that $60 for the bar?

Out of Control: Houston is ‘ground zero’ for drunken and drugged driving

The nine-county Houston region tallied more fatal drunken-driving crashes during the last...

www.houstonchronicle.com

A lack of consequences, coupled with Texans' near-religious connection to their cars and trucks, leads to an ingrained culture of drinking and driving that doesn't carry the same stigma it does in other states.


"The citizens of Harris County aren't scared to get arrested for a DWI," said Harris County Sheriff's Sgt. Kirby Burton, who oversees the department's DWI task force.


Drivers in Houston and local officials acknowledge more must be done. Many believe traffic laws take a back seat to other priorities.


"People here just drink and drive," said Ron Micklewaite, 77, a lifelong Houstonian and cab driver, who often carts revelers from bar to bar. "Every weekend I'm out I see someone sliding all over the road."


Mike Davis, a trainer at the Alamo Area Regional Law Enforcement Academy in San Antonio, has a similar observation from a statewide perspective.


"We are big, and we drive everywhere," he said. "But we like to drink."

 

[TheDreadBaron]

but what exactly do you personally gain from knowing that this girl killed someone whole drunk driving?
what are you gonna do? look at her angrily?
you'll never meet her, it's not like this helps you or the general public in any way.

Yeah I don’t gain much, but I don’t think her theoretical right to privacy has any bearing on whether or not I personally gain from seeing the video, but there’s a discussion to be had there about consuming this stuff as hate entertainment. I think the value of it being public is that she can’t hide from the responsibility like she was desperately trying to. Everyone that might actually meet her in real life stands to gain from the knowledge of what’s contained in the video.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I think the value of it being public is that she can’t hide from the responsibility like she was desperately trying to. Everyone that might actually meet her in real life stands to gain from the knowledge of what’s contained in the video.

But she won’t hide since she will be convicted in court. Whereas this would mean she can be held responsible for her actions long after she finishes her sentence. But this is linked more to American system not focusing on rehabilitation but punishment + the system itself being an interconnected web of business interests.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

Fuck her. Drinking / Drugs and driving and then killing someone equals murder for me.

 

[bitbydeath]

yes, that's a strange concept to think about, because I bet almost everyone here knows someone that at some point did something like this but got away with it, simply by being lucky.

change just one little detail, like getting in the car 30 seconds earlier or later and you're fine, people might call you a dick... but get in the car at just the wrong time, just to drive by the wrong spot, and you hit someone.

basically the exact same scenario but your entire future and the opinions of people around you change drastically simply because of a 30 second time difference.

Agreed, she fucked up which can happen to literally anyone. It wasn’t intentional, that should be the main thing when sentencing someone. IMO.

As for how she acted, she could have been in a dream-like state, her brain expecting to wake up at any moment.

There’s a lot worse out there than her.