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[azertydu91]

In a more tangential discussion obsessing over tiny details is detrimental to the experience of playing games...When I changed my PC a few months ago I obsessed a bit over fans and temp worrying that something was wrong with it( probably because the graphic card I had first was defective randomly).But since my card has been changed the first few month I kept checking hardware monitor for temps etc. to the point that any numbers that didnt seem normal was a nuisance...I did all I could to lower them.Until I realised my pc was fine, it can run all the games I want without problems.
I still think it is important to know if a game has major technical problems but other than that let's just enjoy the games, I think everybody would be happier that way.

 

[ScHlAuChi]

It's funny to see that the original complaints about how much he hates Unreal Engine 5, which was the reason why he needed money to supposedly "fix" it, have now morphed into attacking other engines like Northlight and RE Engine. You mean to tell me that multiple engineers, who have actually shipped many successful games, who are working for separate companies in the US, Europe and Japan, and who have all independently decided to move in a similar direction... are all wrong?

It makes perfect sense, when you see it from the RAGE bait grift angle.
Monster Hunter Wilds has a suboptimal PC port, so attacking those engines gets him all the people of those communitys too.

 

[Buggy Loop]

DF is for console plebs. All their PC reviews are like “this game runs great on a 4090”

Fuckin clowns reviewing shit on systems only 1% of PC gamers have and call it a day.

That's not even remotely true

FFS, how long did peoples complain here that he kept bringing a 2060 super into the discussion all the time for performance comparisons?

 

[fart town usa]

I love DF Retro but I stopped watching their analysis videos because I simply don't care, it makes no difference to me. They come off as whiny bitches more often than not.

 

[hemo memo]

I was never subscribed to begin with. Their Youtube free content is more than enough for me.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Grifter calling out grifters, but that being said, yeah DF is a massive problem and people should unsubscribe from them and stop distributing their videos for them. They're shills who will say anything good about the product that people pay them for and that doesn't just mean sponsored videos but any companies that give them a high level of access, because access = clout and cloud = views.

They made a 13-minute video about three or four short messages they received in correspondence from Mark Cerny. The grift is strong with them.

How people haven't grown tired of their schtick is beyond me.

 

[Buggy Loop]

1. TI has zero experience in gamedev, and never actually developed a game
2. He wants 900k$ to hire Unreal devs to create a "fixed" Unreal Engine
3. All his videos are full of half truths to fool gullible people
4. Any longtime gamedev / Unreal engine dev (like myself) can see that this guy is full of shit
5. His channel is all about YT Rage farming for max profit

Conclusion: Stop giving this grifter exposure!

Point 4 cannot be highlighted more than this, should have been point #1.

 

[DryvBy]

The way he talks, I actually am thinking gamers are nerds and should be beat up more often.

edit: I also hate DF. They always sound like they're trying to seduce a 17th century fair maiden with romantic language about graphics. Let's be real: saying "The graphics exhibit an extraordinarily stupendous level of visual magnificence that overwhelmingly impresses the observer. Undeniably, their exceptional and tremendously remarkable quality elevates them to a stupendously superior echelon of design brilliance. In their fantastically fabulous display, they consistently demonstrate an astonishingly spectacular prowess that demands exorbitant admiration." could be easily said with "These graphics are good!". You're not drinking snobby wine there, guys.

But also, yeah, I hope everyone involved in this video gets in a headlock while being called a nerd.

 

[Buggy Loop]

The way he talks, I actually am thinking gamers are nerds and should be beat up more often.

I thought I had 1.5x speed by accident

 

[Spiral1407]

Just watched the video because...why not...and DAYUM this guy hates Alex. Like a 1/4 of it is dedicated to attacking him. Reminds me of a certain garden gnome...

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

he calls out Alex directly.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I thought I had 1.5x speed by accident

Hahaha, same. Nailed it.

 

[FalconPunch]

1. TI has zero experience in gamedev, and never actually developed a game
3. All his videos are full of half truths to fool gullible people
4. Any longtime gamedev / Unreal engine dev (like myself) can see that this guy is full of shit
5. His channel is all about YT Rage farming for max profit

Conclusion: Stop giving this grifter exposure!

How is this any different from DF? Seriously as someone who has more development environment than their whole crew combined, I find it hard to take them seriously? I'm not advocating for TI but people need to stop viewing DF as an "expert" on anything. They constantly make shit up all the time and make statements that are frankly ridiculous. They're just a bunch of fans who read a couple of presentations then make videos posing as an expert. They leverage their platform to get interviews with devs and get exclusive content. Now, they're nothing than a glorified PR arm while convincing a bunch of idiots to generate 20k/month on patreon.

 

[Jigsaah]

Reply from Richard:

“Well, when you really break it down, there’s just not much in the way of true generational change here. Sure, there might be some minor tweaks under the hood, but in practical terms, the experience remains largely bespoke to what we’ve seen before. So, if you were expecting a radical departure—well, that’s simply not happening.”



J/K

 

[kiphalfton]

Who's this dork and why should I care?

 

[rofif]

You're out of your fucking mind rofif

You're falling for a grift

Northlight engineers know what the fuck they are doing. They have more knowledge of releasing a game with good graphics in their pinky fingers than this douche's entire knowledge base.



Probably the most advanced culling and meshlet system to date and optimized even for Series S. Their work is still referenced by to this day by a ton of other devs exploring mesh geometry. Threat interactive has nothing to compare himself to them, nothing.

But for sure, a $900k UE5 mod is his magnum opus, just send him money.

idk. I played the game and it is clear to me they went over their heads with the tech rather than just baking it like tlou or uncharted.
They are not making any use of that rt-like lighting they have. it just adds grain. Even worse in motion
idk what culling and meshlet is, if the result is grainy fucking ass surfaces, grainy motion blur and bad performance.
From a studios that made reflections in max payne 1 and 2 20 years ago, to a studio that did this with no rt available on console... and pro is only a bit better

From a studio that knew how to do everything on the cheap, they transformed into a studio that does their stuff long way around for no apparent effect.
And I bought the game twice lol. I kinda like it and ps5 version is a bit better. Still no shot compared to tlou part1 for example.
There are plenty enough of other games on a console that have 30fps and way better motion blur and image quality...

Yeah, that nobody who never put out a game sure has shit to tell Remedy lol.

Since when you need to be a dev in order to critique a game?
he can critique all the way he wants.
if everything he says is bullshit, I am sure he will stop soon enough because he is a lunatic.
But ever since quantum break, Remedy games are too heavy for how they look in my opinon

 

[Edellus]

I'm not going to pretend I have the games development knowledge to know who's right, because I don't. I just would like that this guy and DF would publicly talk it out. A discussion of disagreeing opinions of this topic would me pretty interesting to me.

That said. In the video this guy says that if we find him unlikeable or w/e, it doesn't matter and that he would still be right. But I disagree. Charisma matters a lot when trying to convey a message and specially when trying to get people to your side. Particularly when people aren't as knowledgeable in the subject at hand to confidently make a judgment. And this guy doesn't have it. To me, in this video, he comes off as petty and I'm not surprised many people would consider him a grifter and disregard him entirely.

 

[bender]

Watched this earlier. Claiming he is responsible for the improvements from DLSS3 to DLSS4 is a little more than a little self important. His rant at the end about being criticized about tone made it all the more funny. I still think he has a lot to offer, but much like in games, presentation matters.

 

[rofif]

Watched this earlier. Claiming he is responsible for the improvements from DLSS3 to DLSS4 is a little more than a little self important. His rant at the end about being criticized about tone made it all the more funny. I still think he has a lot to offer, but much like in games, presentation matters.

He does not say he is responsible for dlss3 to 4 improvements. what are you talking about?
He just explains that now people say dlss3 looked wrong and bad, now that dlss4 exists. Which is what he was saying all along.
I personally love dlss so it's not a hill worth dying for

 

[ScHlAuChi]

How is this any different from DF? Seriously as someone who has more development environment than their whole crew combined, I find it hard to take them seriously? I'm not advocating for TI but people need to stop viewing DF as an "expert" on anything. They constantly make shit up all the time and make statements that are frankly ridiculous. They're just a bunch of fans who read a couple of presentations then make videos posing as an expert. They leverage their platform to get interviews with devs and get exclusive content. Now, they're nothing than a glorified PR arm while convincing a bunch of idiots to generate 20k/month on patreon.

Differences:
- DF doesnt attack developers by claiming they are incompetent.
- DF doesnt suggest optimizations that make zero sense in a modern game dev enviroment
- DF doesnt ask their community for 900k$ to fix an engine
- DF has a little bit of dev experience themselves, which is more than TI has
- DF in general knows the stuff they talk about, which is why devs take them serious - unlike TI

Are they perfect or always right? Certainly not!
But comparing them to TI is a joke!

 

[nkarafo]

I still like DF Retro

 

[Chuck Berry]

Good stuff

The sooner those shitdicks go away, the sooner we can all go back to enjoying videogames instead of playing autistic pixel counter.

 

[bender]

He does not say he is responsible for dlss3 to 4 improvements. what are you talking about?
He just explains that now people say dlss3 looked wrong and bad, now that dlss4 exists. Which is what he was saying all along.
I personally love dlss so it's not a hill worth dying for

He is attributing, or at the very least inferring, the improvements to his outlier voice criticizing DLSS3 as if the product wouldn't have improved without those criticisms. Newsflash: DLSS4 was coming regardless and we'll see iterations on that as well. What are you talking about? I personally hate the shift from native resolution and largely agree with his sentiments, I'm just not as self important.

 

[Gaiff]

Since when you need to be a dev in order to critique a game?
he can critique all the way he wants.
if everything he says is bullshit, I am sure he will stop soon enough because he is a lunatic.
But ever since quantum break, Remedy games are too heavy for how they look in my opinon

He can 100% criticize a game without being a dev. It's his "we're saving the gaming industry" rhetoric that's comical and acting like he knows more than established developers without anything to show for it.

It's fine to criticize, encouraged even, but going, "I can do better" without anything to back yourself is simply arrogance.

 

[saintjules]

Who's this dork and why should I care?

He's done a few analysis vids that I thought I found interesting.

 

[rofif]

He can 100% criticize a game without being a dev. It's his "we're saving the gaming industry" rhetoric that's comical and acting like he knows more than established developers without anything to show for it.

It's fine to criticize, encouraged even, but going, "I can do better" without anything to back yourself is simply arrogance.

That's what I am saying.
He will go on about this for some time and nothing will come out of "his team"... it's an obvious scam.
But some points he make sound valid

 

[Buggy Loop]

How is this any different from DF? Seriously as someone who has more development environment than their whole crew combined, I find it hard to take them seriously? I'm not advocating for TI but people need to stop viewing DF as an "expert" on anything. They constantly make shit up all the time and make statements that are frankly ridiculous. They're just a bunch of fans who read a couple of presentations then make videos posing as an expert. They leverage their platform to get interviews with devs and get exclusive content. Now, they're nothing than a glorified PR arm while convincing a bunch of idiots to generate 20k/month on patreon.

Whatever you might have produced in life in game development, TI would shit on it. Dude even Remedy was a target. Its never good enough for him.

Propose any temporal AA solution? You're part of the problem and RUINING graphics.

TI's start of this war is just the fucking video of TAA from a year ago! Unhinged!

DF misses some technical aspects, but "constantly make shit up all the time" is complete BS cmon. Truely detailing the workings of a complex graphic feature would lose 95% of listeners. They simplify, and often helped by devs for the game they talk about because they do not claim to be know it all about game engine development, they never have. And those are very rare times they actually bother making a topic outside of benching a game or retro discussion.

If they make a mistake I'm sure they would love to hear about it and improve, like any normal human being.

They are not barking a developers and say "WE ARE RIGHT. TRUTH IS THE TRUTH" like this lunanic at TI.

I mean look at TI's quote "The thing is if I'm right about something I'm right even if you don't like my tone or think I'm harsh or just don't like me for some reason none of those things make me any less right. The truth is the truth it's bigger than me it's bigger than threat interactive and it belongs to the world consumers"

How does anyone get to that end of the video without bursting in laughs. Holy main character syndrome.

I want a DF video to end like that, PLEASE. Just for entertainment.

 

[rofif]

How is this any different from DF? Seriously as someone who has more development environment than their whole crew combined, I find it hard to take them seriously? I'm not advocating for TI but people need to stop viewing DF as an "expert" on anything. They constantly make shit up all the time and make statements that are frankly ridiculous. They're just a bunch of fans who read a couple of presentations then make videos posing as an expert. They leverage their platform to get interviews with devs and get exclusive content. Now, they're nothing than a glorified PR arm while convincing a bunch of idiots to generate 20k/month on patreon.

They are obviously biased. How can they criticize something while doing interview with a dev?

 

[Putonahappyface]

 

[bender]

They are not barking a developers and say "WE ARE RIGHT. TRUTH IS THE TRUTH" like this lunanic at TI.

For a seemingly smart person, albeit socially inept, he certainly forgets there are multiple ways to peel a potato with results varying on output and efficiency. It's fine to say you wouldn't do something this way and would instead do it this way, but being so stringent on right and wrong just seems so idiotic. DF are just enthusiasts with very surface level understanding of the tech they are covering. The arrogance some of the staff can display is annoying, but it doesn't really deserve much more of response than to be ignored. Any of the interesting analysis that TI presents is immediately soured with how childish and confrontational the host is.

 

[Putonahappyface]

he calls out Alex directly.

He looks and sounds like Alex's annoying little brother.

 

[Johnny Concrete]

I just subbed to DF, just to annoy him.

 

[Nostalgic Nightmare]

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

I lost any interest in DF with the Hogwarts Legacy situation. TI is correct, and DF are nothing more than industry shills.

 

[Spiral1407]

I lost any interest in DF with the Hogwarts Legacy situation. TI is correct, and DF are nothing more than industry shills.

Didn't they eventually do a video on it though?

 

[Gaiff]

I lost any interest in DF with the Hogwarts Legacy situation. TI is correct, and DF are nothing more than industry shills.

Apparently it’s because they didn’t get review codes that it was delayed.

Eurogamer were political about it though.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Didn't they eventually do a video on it though?

Too little, too late.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

I'm watching it and he's making some solid points and I agree with him... but homie needs to get a better mic.

 

[The Skull]

He's not wrong.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

All I need to know is that they got a dude in a dress that was part of a secret Xbox glaze discord.

 

[jufonuk]

I like DF. I don’t Give a fuck. They are passionate about what they do and they provide good videos and insight.

 

[Palabragrís]

Sorry, who?

 

[TintoConCasera]

The Nintendo 64 was capable of real time reflections.



Or more probably "reflections", but who cares about the "how" when what matters is the result?

 

[MagusMajul]

what a damn pencil necked dweeb! I don't care if the Grinch runs digital foundry I find the videos entertaining and that's all that matters.

 

[Zathalus]

Mark Cerny is apparently regarded as a genius by most here (and rightly so), and he is a fan of Digital Foundry. If he thinks they are alright I’m inclined to think the same. Although I obviously watched them before his views were made public.

Most of the posters here that have a problem with them are basing their opinion on perceived slights against their console of choice anyways.

Are they perfect? No, but they do offer good analysis on a lot of games, and interesting retro and other videos from time to time.

TI is an obvious grifter that is just trying to stir up shit for views and donations to his obvious scam project.

 

[YCoCg]

Too little, too late.

They've done multiple videos on it I think it was Oliver covering the the PS5 Pro update.

 

[Zathalus]

They've done multiple videos on it I think it was Oliver covering the the PS5 Pro update.

The original video was only delayed because Warner Bros asked them to do so. But you know how weird people get about culture wars.

 

[Killer8]

It makes perfect sense, when you see it from the RAGE bait grift angle.
Monster Hunter Wilds has a suboptimal PC port, so attacking those engines gets him all the people of those communitys too.

This is true. He's worse than a simple grifter because he's outright preying on people's ignorance. He creates a veneer of knowing what he's talking about which people fall for because they don't know any better.

Or perhaps they don't want to know any better. We're living in a time of conspiratorial thinking where everything has to be about a cabal of people ruining everything for everyone. He's just inserted himself as the little guy standing up to big Big TAA, who are making your graphics worse on purpose so you buy more Nvidia GPUs. It's no wonder he's popular on 4chan.

Also, looks like we can add Decima to his engine shit list:

Which is ironic as he's talked up Death Stranding's TAA as being the least bad temporal solution, yet even the Decima engineers were apparently not satisfied with it. How the mighty have fallen!

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

what a damn pencil necked dweeb! I don't care if the Grinch runs digital foundry I find the videos entertaining and that's all that matters.

This guy is a byproduct of the pixel-peeping culture that DF meretriciously cultivated for more than a decade, so it's ironic that DF are finally reaping what they're sowing.

 

[rofif]

The Nintendo 64 was capable of real time reflections.



Or more probably "reflections", but who cares about the "how" when what matters is the result?

Where is the will, there is the way and RT made devs take shortcuts