Portugeezer
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Not if the games are 3-4 years away, which is what I am kind of expecting from many games they'll show.
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So if MS has a great game show in a few weeks, have they finally made up for Xbox One?
VincentMatts
Member
It's the whole claim that slow HDDs of previous systems will hold next gen systems back. It's the reason why some games are not possible on previous systems. Not to mention the huge difference in CPU power as well.
The Medium Developer Reveals Why Game is Next-Gen Exclusive
The developer of The Medium, Bloober Team, looks set to deliver a game-changing mechanic in the upcoming title that made it a next-gen game.gamerant.com
In an interview, Wojciech stated, "I can't tell you right now about our most important feature, because we will have to save it for later. But the gameplay mechanic built around those two worlds couldn't be fully realized on current-gen hardware."
That still doesnt make supporting your products for a longer period of time anti-consumer.
Those guys are allowed to make a next gen game only if they want to. It has nothing to do with MSs decision to support their consoles with first party games.
MS wanting to release their games on xbox one, pc and XSX still isnt anti-consumer.
ExpandKong
Banned
I never really had a problem with XBox One? I mean the bad always-online no-used-games stuff was ditched before the system ever hit store shelves, it’s kind of silly to hold that against them now. Gamepass is great, multiplats are great, backward compatibility is amazing...they’re kinda weak on exclusives but that’s about it.
MasterCornholio
Member
It all depends on what their next gen exclusives are like. The argument that I've seen is that people that buy an XSX should have games on it that are not held back by last gen systems. People are buying the XSX to play next gen games not to play current ones at a higher resolution.
Hopefully that makes sense.
VincentMatts
Member
Its not very complicated. A company that wants to keep supporting their products even after a new one comes out is the very definition of "pro consumer".
I dont know how else to explain that to you.
Makoto-Yuki
Gold Member
they've already made up for XB1 imo
SleepDoctor
Banned
Its ms. Anything they do is "anti consumer". You're wasting your time.
If they just upped and stopped making games compatible with the x1, they'd still be called "anti consumer" by certain individuals here.
LeVictorien
Banned
But this mentality never really made sense as 99% of games this gen could've been done on PS360 with lower resolution and graphics geometry. It's not like there was such an improvement in physics and AI that games relied heavily on these and last gen could not have handled. Next gen will be a game changer imo. I expect physics to take a big leap (thinking at this guy's fluid simulation demo) but it'll take time before we fully get what next gen brings. I don't think the first year will bring most games to new heights. So supporting this gen for the first year isn't a big deal.
TigerKnee
Member
Or maybe some of us actually like the first party games they released?
MasterCornholio
Member
I think my doubts come from the massive difference in I/O and CPU speed when compared to last gen systems. That's why I believe that some experiences will only be possible on next gen systems.
Just for comparisons sake the I/O systems and CPUs that the PS4 and X1 have are not that ahead of what the 360 and PS3 had. I've even read that the CELL was actually better than the Jaguars that both the X1 and PS4 have.
Demon2blades
Member
Wasn't just the xone for me it was also the latter half of the 360 gen they completely went stale where games are concerned... Games should be the 1st thing any console maker thinks about it's hard to give ms a pat on the head for what they should already be doing it's like congratulating a restraunt for serving food , with all that said though I hope they bring it this month and I think they might .
MasterCornholio
Member
That's going to happen at some point and when it does it will be very good for XSX owners. I agree that some people will complain about that but at some point support needs to be dropped for last gen systems.
It's the same thing that happens every gen BTW.
Hobbygaming
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I might very well buy the XSX to go with my PS5 but I'd rather them put 100% of their focus into next generation titles
MasterCornholio
Member
So is producing games that are built around next gen systems. That's pro consumer as well.
At some point both Xbox and Playstation will drop support for current gen systems. It's the same thing that happens with every new generation.
Hobbygaming
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I think the July show will be really good and even though their last show was mediocre I think this one will give them a boost of momentum
Then we'll see if Sony returns fire in their August State of Play
Then we'll see if Sony returns fire in their August State of Play
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LazyParrot
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Not really. With the exception of the TV part, they just merged all of that stuff into services that are more digestible to the average gamer, namely Game Pass and xCloud.
VincentMatts
Member
My god dude, you cant be serious. The reaching over here is beyond crazy.
Sony cut off support to ps4. They have the right to do that, sure. But that action is also anti-consumer. It means if people bought a ps4 for primarily the sony games, they are all completely fucked and forced to spend another 400-600$ to continue that support. Theres nothing pro-consumer about that regardless of how console generations have worked.
They may have the right to do that, (and MS has done the same thing in the passed) but stop pretending like thats a pro consumer thing, because it isnt and never has been. It doesnt matter which way you spin it.
mejin
Member
they are trying to build this narrative, but they are failing because people want to see the receipts for years.
Some think the people are not trying to give a chance to MS despite all their actions since 2014, but they are to blame cause they focused everything except what it really matters: new games.
Right now, for example, Sony made a big year for ps4 even though ps5 is coming this year. They made a solid show where 9 first party games were announced to ps5 even when ps4 had big games to come. So, people already know Sony delivers and they are ready to jump to next gen.
Why do people act like it was something so wrong with Xbox One? Sony just made the more desirable console.
Xbox can show whatever they want at this show if they can't make Xbox into the it console like the 360 was it will fall behind. I can tell you now that it's already a problem with Xbox Series X outside of the hardcore market people don't seem to care about it but I think Xbox Series S will land in the right spot & become the gift to buy.
Xbox can show whatever they want at this show if they can't make Xbox into the it console like the 360 was it will fall behind. I can tell you now that it's already a problem with Xbox Series X outside of the hardcore market people don't seem to care about it but I think Xbox Series S will land in the right spot & become the gift to buy.
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You forgot they’ve been completely dominated in sales even since the “mid” gen refresh.
Xbox One demons will always be there like PS3 and its crap launch.
Next gen is a different cycle. New start.
LeVictorien
Banned
Yes, next gen consoles bring significant improvements in the CPU and SSDs and both will allow new stuff not possible on past gens.
LeVictorien
Banned
Both GamePass and XCloud are online services though. It's like complaining you can't watch Netflix shows while being offline...
MasterCornholio
Member
It can be argued that neither of them is a pro consumer strategy. At some point support for current gen systems will be dropped.
BTW have you even read my previous comment?
Both strategies are anti consumer. It depends on which console owner that you are.
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Rhazer Fusion
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Well, I would imagine it also depends on when those games are coming out. Hey guys, here’s Perfect Dark, Forza 8, Fable 4, Killer Instinct 4 and Jade Empire 2 all scheduled for release around Spring to Winter 2024. Enjoy and please be patient.
LazyParrot
Member
It's not like making players go online to play physical copies of their games was the goal Microsoft had when they unveiled XBO, it was a side effect. The goal was to gain more control over the degree to which players actually "owned" their games, and how, where and when they could buy and play them. Game Pass and xCloud are a more gentle, roundabout way of achieving that exact same goal.
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MasterCornholio
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Pretty much. At some point making games on all platforms will just hinder next gen systems. It's where I see the argument that cross gen support is anti consumer for those that buy next gen systems.
TheCrimsnFuckr
Member
Honestly, Xbox has already redeemed the Xbox One and I feel it has been the best Xbox system yet. Them hitting the July show out of the park will just make mo even more excited about the brand
-Arcadia-
Banned
Whether or not people want to buy their products in mass numbers again is a different issue, but...
Personally, it was all good as of the One X. They've had years of great services, initiatives, and hardware, and I've really enjoyed them again.
This is from someone who almost was on a Jihad against the original Xbox One.
Personally, it was all good as of the One X. They've had years of great services, initiatives, and hardware, and I've really enjoyed them again.
This is from someone who almost was on a Jihad against the original Xbox One.
fermcr
Member
I'm sure the Xbox will sell a lot of consoles, but the Playstation name is just too strong and well know worldwide. Unless Microsoft have a crap load of AAA famous exclusives (console sellers) up their sleeve, the Playstation will dominate next gen.
As for me, I'm glad Microsoft are releasing their games on PC since I'm essentially a PC gamer. Wouldn't mind Sony doing the same thing...
As for me, I'm glad Microsoft are releasing their games on PC since I'm essentially a PC gamer. Wouldn't mind Sony doing the same thing...
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MasterCornholio
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I really hated them at the beginning not the generation but with the One X I decided to jump back in. I'll admit that I don't use it much but it's been great to play 360 games on it. Thanks to BC I was able to enjoy all the Dead Space games plus Oblivion is a joy on the system. Not to mention Lost Odyssey is fantastic.
I also had gamepass and played through some of their 1st party titles with it. Didn't like the 343 Halos but it was a joy to play the Bungie ones again.
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LeVictorien
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But you can't expect the first year of next gen to spot games that rely on mechanics that are impossible to replicate past gens. If so, from a first party perspective, nothing prevents you from making two versions if necessary. There's nothing anti consumer in this. Making people buy a console and stop supporting it the same year is anti consumer. Granted third parties will still support PS4 and X1 for some time. A year later they'll jump on the next gen craze np.
Stiflers Mom
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If they show a nice range of games, where a couple interest me, I'd say they did it.
The hardware looks amazing, Phil is a chad, they aquired a couple of teams that are very promising, their console seems to be quite capable power wise and it seems they will match the price of the PS5.
Seems fine to me.
The hardware looks amazing, Phil is a chad, they aquired a couple of teams that are very promising, their console seems to be quite capable power wise and it seems they will match the price of the PS5.
Seems fine to me.
ZywyPL
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I couldn't care less to be honest, current-gen consoles launched almost 7 years ago, both were shit, I'm living here, today, not in the past, and today MS games are already on PC for some time, so whenever I'll see a title that interests me I'll just grab it and enjoy it like I already do, like I have always been doing with games, regardless of their publisher, because everyone has good, bad and average games in their portfolio, it's all about picking the things you like instead of blindly consume everyting the publisher put in front of your eyes. But thanks to Play Anywhere I'm actually buying a copy of Xbox version as well, so I am able to play the games with my cousin on his X1X, how cool is that? So if they can be any more pro-consumer in the upcoming years, then awesome, but bottom line is, the more games they'll make, the bigger chance I'll find something that suits my taste.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I felt they redeemed themselves with the release of the Xbox One X. Everything else you mention was just icing on the cake. Sony had their time to build up their studios during the PS3/360 Gen. I think Xbox has deserved that same time to allow their new studios to develop as well.
A successful game show is still just as crucial, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying Xbox has come a long way since E3 2013 and have already more than made up for it.
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NullZ3r0
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AAA games are rarely bad. Especially when the teams involved have the pedigree to create AAA games.
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oldergamer
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....but sure you are over the moon for all of the games sony showed.
MasterCornholio
Member
Doesn't mean that it's impossible to release games that take advantage of next gen hardware in the first year. I've seen plenty of games at launch that were not possible on previous gen systems. I do agree that nobody should expect games that are only possible on next gen for the first couple of years.
I agree that dropping support for current gen systems is anti consumer but I also agree that letting current gen hold next gen game design back is also anti consumer. Like you said at some point current gen will be dropped in favor of next gen. Sony is just doing that earlier than Microsoft but at some point Microsoft will make the same decision.
This isn't anything new since it happens with each generation of consoles.
MasterCornholio
Member
Im pretty excited for Ratchet and Clank, Horizon Zero Dawn 2 and Demon Souls. I'm not really that interested in the other games that they showed. But I should have enough to enjoy during the first couple of years that the console is out.
Don't know why you assumed I liked everything that they showed at the event. I'm pretty sure that I'll be interested in some titles in Microsoft's July event but some of them won't interest me.
Just because I'm a gamer doesn't mean I have to love all games. But even with the ones that I don't like I know that some people will like them and I support their preferences.
Try and get to know me a little better first.
Anyways I enjoy talking with you.
MasterCornholio
Member
What I don't know is how many games will be AAA. As for AAA games being rarely bad I would argue that I've seen alot more bad ones than good AAA games. It's difficult to make an excellent AAA game. This goes for both companies BTW since I've seen plenty of bad AAA games from both companies.
LeVictorien
Banned
We agree on that at some point they need to drop the previous gens. I just didn't think the idea that supporting both gens for the first year is anti consumer. I don't think supporting exclusively a new gen is anti consumer either. Both companies have a different mindset and they do what's best for them. But if you're gonna drop support for one, at least make sure the new buyers are aware of it. I think Sony kinda publicly said so if I'm not mistaken.
I feel they have already made up for the xbox one for the most part they just lack the great first party games to really entice and get folks hyped up ,which they have bought studios to make up with. The thing is I still don't feel like having a great game show is enough though for them to surpass Sony. It needs to be a legendary show.
lastmessiah
Member
Seriously. GAF talks about MS like it's their ex-girlfriend or something. It is just a corporation, why would I feel like they have to "make up" anything to me lol?
RasAlGhoul
Member
One show does not make up for an entire generation of lackluster first party output. It would be a nice start though.
MasterCornholio
Member
Supporting last gen systems isn't anti consumer. However letting last gen systems hold next gen systems back is anti consumer.
However this can be solved if developers make two different versions of the same game. That way each version can take full advantage of the hardware that they are on.
And I agree that communication is key here. If support is going to be dropped consumers need to know that ahead of time. Which is what both Microsoft and Sony have done.