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Star Wars: Skeleton Crew premieres December 3rd on Disney+

Yerd

Member
This show is definitely better than boba, acolyte and obi shows, probably ahsoka too.

Jude Law is the highlight character, then the droid. I don't love watching kids in shows, but they don't bother me here. They always say star wars is for kids, but it's probably man-children keeping it alive. Start pandering to us man-children god damnit.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
The presence lesbian force witches, the power of two, a fat Jedi, multiculturalism in a small Jedi team, etc

That's what I've heard is "woke" about it.
That's a few teeth shy of a nice smile.



A coven of force witches who are lesbians, while not my first choice is hardly woke. (I really hate how society has stolen that word and turned it into a cuss when it was really just for black folks but whatever) and the rest of that is just horseshit.
 

Yerd

Member
That's a few teeth shy of a nice smile.



A coven of force witches who are lesbians, while not my first choice is hardly woke. (I really hate how society has stolen that word and turned it into a cuss when it was really just for black folks but whatever) and the rest of that is just horseshit.
Call it DEI then. I'm sure people don't have a problem with any of these things when set alone. But, they put all of it in one show and it's an overload. They thought: none of this stuff has been in star wars yet, let's get it all in now. Because history shows that the market is mainly that audience right? They must have done the research.

No one mentioned the feminine lispy voice of the gay jedi yet. The actor they hired is clearly gay, no idea if that was intended for the character.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
Call it DEI then. I'm sure people don't have a problem with any of these things when set alone. But, they put all of it in one show and it's an overload. They thought: none of this stuff has been in star wars yet, let's get it all in now. Because history shows that the market is mainly that audience right? They must have done the research.

No one mentioned the feminine lispy voice of the gay jedi yet. The actor they hired is clearly gay, no idea if that was intended for the character.


But before Acolyte, we have 5 shows with NONE of that and it had little impact on the quality of those shows. Not to mention the "masterpiece" that is THE LAST JEDI.


Star Wars problems are so far removed from any apparent or underlining agendas that people latch onto.
 
The show is great. I admittedly didn’t like it at first, but I kept watching after the first episode and it grew on me.

It’s kind of funny watching people not aware or Star Wars lore whining about DEI and the witches when they technically existed before those tools balls even dropped.
 

NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt

Biggest Trails Stan
The show is great. I admittedly didn’t like it at first, but I kept watching after the first episode and it grew on me.

It’s kind of funny watching people not aware or Star Wars lore whining about DEI and the witches when they technically existed before those tools balls even dropped.

I hated The Acolyte because it was a BAD show and yes I knew Force Witches existed before. I'm a huge fan of the Star Wars EU and The Clone Wars (3D Cartoon). Not only was The Acolyte filled with everything considered DEI but it had actual BAD writing too...
 

Ozzie666

Member
Kennedy is the main problem and sometimes Filoni is his own problem. Filoni has a bit of that Lucas quality where he needs someone to keep him in check and focused. But overall he has some good ideas.
The current content is held back by the poor sequel trilogies with not much universe time to fit Thrawn in.
Destruction of Luke, unforgivable. Rogue One was a good addition to the canon, worthy of Lucas himself.
Heir to the Empire and Shadows of the empire should have formed the continued canon material.

The Acolyte was a culmination of so many things going wrong, agendas, bidget and the director were part of it only enhanced by the poor writing. It's like Boba bad with extra shit on top.
High Republic books even with some of the agenda drive aspects has some bright spots, but it can't repalce Old Republic era in the minds of fans. I've enjoyed the main story line.

If Disney was smart they would remove the Rey trilogy from canon or push the timeline back.
Recast the original cast and rip the bandaid off. Subsatian Stan might still work well for Luke.
Keep tapping into legends material.

Skeleton Crew is great and defying the crap before it, it's organically diverse but with great writing, setting, characters. It's very respectful to Star Wars and the fans.
Everything the Acolyte was not.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
Kennedy is the main problem and sometimes Filoni is his own problem. Filoni has a bit of that Lucas quality where he needs someone to keep him in check and focused. But overall he has some good ideas.
The current content is held back by the poor sequel trilogies with not much universe time to fit Thrawn in.
Destruction of Luke, unforgivable. Rogue One was a good addition to the canon, worthy of Lucas himself.
Heir to the Empire and Shadows of the empire should have formed the continued canon material.

The Acolyte was a culmination of so many things going wrong, agendas, bidget and the director were part of it only enhanced by the poor writing. It's like Boba bad with extra shit on top.
High Republic books even with some of the agenda drive aspects has some bright spots, but it can't repalce Old Republic era in the minds of fans. I've enjoyed the main story line.

If Disney was smart they would remove the Rey trilogy from canon or push the timeline back.
Recast the original cast and rip the bandaid off. Subsatian Stan might still work well for Luke.
Keep tapping into legends material.

Skeleton Crew is great and defying the crap before it, it's organically diverse but with great writing, setting, characters. It's very respectful to Star Wars and the fans.
Everything the Acolyte was not.

I don't think recasting the OG cast is the way. We should just be done with the Skywalkers except for tangential exposition. It's a big galaxy, lets see more of it. And I say that as someone who loves the OG and the Prequels. I don't hate the new ones I rather enjoy The Force Awakens and parts of The Last Jedi. The Rise of Skywalker...well thats OK I guess. Not great.
 

Ozzie666

Member
I don't think recasting the OG cast is the way. We should just be done with the Skywalkers except for tangential exposition. It's a big galaxy, lets see more of it. And I say that as someone who loves the OG and the Prequels. I don't hate the new ones I rather enjoy The Force Awakens and parts of The Last Jedi. The Rise of Skywalker...well thats OK I guess. Not great.

Your probably right, that ship has already sailed for the OT.

Anyone who read the books would probably enjoy something focused on the Chiss, Outbound Flight, Survivors Quest and any Thrawn related material. Or has Disney boxed itself in and the only way to be new and fresh, distance from the Skywalkers is to go back to the Old Republic or High Republic era, or a Sith centric tale with Bane. I can dream as a fan. We can't live in the post Jedi era forever.

They could get real brave and introduce Mara Jade and tell her tale from her point of view, include Allegencies and Choices of one and many other legends appearances. Yes I am a big Zahn, he got it right more than most.

All I know is they create intestering characters like Brutus and Jod, only to end them quickly.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
Your probably right, that ship has already sailed for the OT.

Anyone who read the books would probably enjoy something focused on the Chiss, Outbound Flight, Survivors Quest and any Thrawn related material. Or has Disney boxed itself in and the only way to be new and fresh, distance from the Skywalkers is to go back to the Old Republic or High Republic era, or a Sith centric tale with Bane. I can dream as a fan. We can't live in the post Jedi era forever.

They could get real brave and introduce Mara Jade and tell her tale from her point of view, include Allegencies and Choices of one and many other legends appearances. Yes I am a big Zahn, he got it right more than most.

All I know is they create intestering characters like Brutus and Jod, only to end them quickly.



Disney needs to stop treating Star Wars like the MCU. Just keep the live action stuff to event-level. Even though I adored parts of Obi-Wan and I'm happy I saw that fight rematch, we didnt need that story told. Boba Fett was just a fumble on the 1 yardline. Despite how fucking cool it was to see live action Cad Bane. Mando for the majority they nailed it and Ashoka needs 3 seasons to make it work.


With the exception of Andor (10/10) all the other shows feel like they should have been 1 show. Like a Star Wars Anthology live action. Monster of the week style.

Or a Knights of the Old Republic show and I'll shut up forever.
 

ManaByte

Member
They could get real brave and introduce Mara Jade and tell her tale from her point of view

With Filoni in charge I don't think they'll ever canonize Mara Jade. George hated the idea and concept of the character completely.

we didnt need that story told

You're forgetting all the Ben Solo complaints people were making videos with crying that Leia never even met Ben Kenobi and she had no reason to name her son after him.

Ashoka needs 3 seasons to make it work

Ahsoka doesn't even need a 2nd season. Filoni said that himself. He never planned a second season but fans demanded it. He said he only made Ahsoka S1 because he needed a way to get Ezra home because he needed Ezra for the Thrawn movie.

High Republic books even with some of the agenda drive aspects has some bright spots, but it can't repalce Old Republic era in the minds of fans.

High Republic isn't an Old Republic replacement. Old Republic is still thousands of years before the movies. High Republic goes for about 500-200 years before the Prequels. Acolyte is 100 years before TPM.

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jason10mm

Gold Member
The bolded. That's the only thing that made it bad!
This is mostly true, or at least flashy direction, tight action, and good visuals can compensate for a bad script. But you can't really tease out "bad concepts" from "bad writing" completely because they do go hand in hand. Bad writers rely on bad concepts (in this context I'm saying things like weak male characters, actively subverting female characters to take masculine roles, pushing sexual and gender ideologies over natural relationships, insulting the core audience in search for fringe markets, stuff like that). They neglect the traditional storytelling and characterization beats that make these types of shows work in the first place. You can just look at Skeleton Crew, which hews VERY close to classic narrative, prioritizes character development, uses action to advance the story, finds innovation and interesting twists on concepts, and understands that making sympathetic characters that connect with the audience is important.

Compared to the disaster that was Fett, the dull slog of Ahsoka (aside from the bad Sith guy, injecting all the energy into the show he could), and the idiocracy of Obi-wan, SC feels like a whole project, even the bits of filler (like the overly extended escape from Lonora the mud planet) are used as character development and keep it visually interesting. Never even bothered with Acolyte, just the clips online alone were enough to condemn that show.

Most of the issues Star Wars has, IMHO, are due to poor directing (or for these tv shows, maybe 'poor showrunning' is more apt), even experienced folks like Robert Rodriguez are doing shoddy work with bad action, dodgy effects, and scenes that don't fit into a cohesive whole. Since these shows are heavily serialized the damage can't be contained in individual episodes like a traditional show (Star Trek, for example) it propagates throughout and tanks the entire thing. Filoni has weaknesses with live action. Faverau is the only one who really understands the Volume and uses it effectively. I hope with Mando and Grogru they can deliver a tight script with Mando actually in charge and front and center as an active participant in his own story.

Seeing the legions of Star Wars projects that failed to progress gives me some hope that they are actually filtering for quality and maybe the bean counters are getting Kennedy to pull back on the direction she has been pushing. Alas, seems like Skeleton Crew isn't doing gangbusters like it should, and I doubt Andor S2 will do much better than the tepid views of S1. ALL of Star Wars is floundering right now as the bad shit drags down the good shit. Mando has been the only real 'hit' of "nu-Star Wars" and even that has been spun off to oblivion.
 

Soapbox Killer

Grand Nagus
So apparently some characters from this show are in Filoni's Thrawn movie.
I didn’t know there was a Thrawn movie??

Disney Plus or in the Movies? I thought Mando and Grogu (still a terrible title) was the Avengers style team up movie for Ashoka / Mando / Bobo Fett?
 

Ozzie666

Member
With Filoni in charge I don't think they'll ever canonize Mara Jade. George hated the idea and concept of the character completely.



You're forgetting all the Ben Solo complaints people were making videos with crying that Leia never even met Ben Kenobi and she had no reason to name her son after him.



Ahsoka doesn't even need a 2nd season. Filoni said that himself. He never planned a second season but fans demanded it. He said he only made Ahsoka S1 because he needed a way to get Ezra home because he needed Ezra for the Thrawn movie.



High Republic isn't an Old Republic replacement. Old Republic is still thousands of years before the movies. High Republic goes for about 500-200 years before the Prequels. Acolyte is 100 years before TPM.

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Officially only one is canon though.
 

ManaByte

Member
I need to go do some reasearch, As I understood it the era itself is canon but the stories of Revan, Bane trilogy, SWTOR, Kotor etc are not canon .. or have I been deceived and thinking in absolutes.
The era is canon. Anything produced in it was never really canon. The only "canon" was ever the stuff Lucas made (movies, clone wars, and they considered the radio drama adaptations canon).
 

Doom85

Member
Ryan Gosling Clap GIF


I like that Jod’s fate is left ambiguous. Leaves it open to bring back the character in the future.

SM-33, Jod, Neel, and KB were my favorites, though Wim and Fern were pretty good. Wim’s dad is pretty great.

For those who know their Star Wars lore heavily, any idea on who the Jedi who found a young Jod could be? Obviously it has to be a woman and she has to have survived Order 66 but never had her death confirmed later in any other Star Wars media based on what we got from Jod’s account, so I assume that narrows it down a lot, though it could easily be some standard Jedi Knight who just never was named before in any prior media.
 

Madflavor

Member
It is a fun show. I wanted to get my kids to watch it but they are not interested.

And that right there is a major problem Star Wars is having. Younger generations just aren’t interested. On top of that they’ve pissed off a lot of the older generations and fans to the point where apathy has set in. This is why Star Wars continues its downward trend in viewership.
 

NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt

Biggest Trails Stan
And that right there is a major problem Star Wars is having. Younger generations just aren’t interested. On top of that they’ve pissed off a lot of the older generations and fans to the point where apathy has set in. This is why Star Wars continues its downward trend in viewership.

Yep Apathy is a big factor on why lot of Hollywood has been doing rather poorly. When the fanbase is mad that's when you have time to backtrack and apologize for your screws up but when you keep on doubling down and trying to piss off the OG fanbase as much as you can, apathy starts to set in and they get out of the fanbase and look for other stuff to consume that gives them what they want.

This shit has been going on for close to 15 years now, that even if a product is good, people won't care especially when these companies tend to use Bait And Switch tactics. An example of this, is the first season of Hanna of which I loved. Great action, well written Female Protag who is actually pretty (Which is big), etc. Than the second season came and man did they hit you with the message so hard. I dropped it two episodes in

I just finished watching Star Wars Skeleton Crew and while I loved it, it's not surprising about the low viewership numbers. Especially since this is the first season. I'm wondering if they are gonna to bait and switch me with the second season. (If there is one)
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
And that right there is a major problem Star Wars is having. Younger generations just aren’t interested. On top of that they’ve pissed off a lot of the older generations and fans to the point where apathy has set in. This is why Star Wars continues its downward trend in viewership.
The avg kid doesnt give a shit about SW. Maybe a movie makes a bunch a money, but that's probably due to adults supporting the franchise.

You can tell kids dont care as you dont really hear about the IP associated with tons of toys, video games, halloween costumes etc... They probably care about Fortnite.

But Disney is so amped up to milk the franchise, they shotgun a ton of content including a kids orientated series hoping that if they release enough shows that both adults and kids will eventually catch onto something. And young viewers will become fans so they become adult fans when they older.

As for adults, the content quality is so bad going by what people say they know it's a milk job. Shotgun as much crap and DEI content to the four corners of the galaxy and something will stick. lol. Its actually very similar to Marvel movies with a million supe flicks.
 

ManaByte

Member
Wim dreamed of adventure and got one that wasn’t quite what he hoped for, but in the end his sense of adventure was rekindled. That ending was so perfect.
 

Madflavor

Member
The avg kid doesnt give a shit about SW. Maybe a movie makes a bunch a money, but that's probably due to adults supporting the franchise.

You can tell kids dont care as you dont really hear about the IP associated with tons of toys, video games, halloween costumes etc... They probably care about Fortnite.

But Disney is so amped up to milk the franchise, they shotgun a ton of content including a kids orientated series hoping that if they release enough shows that both adults and kids will eventually catch onto something. And young viewers will become fans so they become adult fans when they older.

As for adults, the content quality is so bad going by what people say they know it's a milk job. Shotgun as much crap and DEI content to the four corners of the galaxy and something will stick. lol. Its actually very similar to Marvel movies with a million supe flicks.

Mandalorian and Grogu will be the biggest barometer we’ve had in a while, that will tell us overall interest in Star Wars. The only thing kids and families have cared about these past few years is “Baby Yoda”. And I base that on viewership, and what people who have worked in the toy industry have said about Star Wars merch.

If that film underperforms or does lukewarm at the BO, Star Wars is in serious fucking trouble.
 

ManaByte

Member
Mandalorian and Grogu will be the biggest barometer we’ve had in a while, that will tell us overall interest in Star Wars. The only thing kids and families have cared about these past few years is “Baby Yoda”. And I base that on viewership, and what people who have worked in the toy industry have said about Star Wars merch.

If that film underperforms or does lukewarm at the BO, Star Wars is in serious fucking trouble.
It’s releasing weeks after Avengers Doomsday. They need to move it.
 

ManaByte

Member
They probably will.
I’m also pretty sure it’s getting the full marketing treatment.

The only Star Wars movie to NOT make $1billion at the box office was Solo and that was 100% the blame of only giving the movie TWO MONTHS of marketing.

The person responsible for that took her golden parachute and is gone. She was the head of Lucasfilm marketing from the George days (since the Special Editions) and dictated that only one Star Wars movie would be marketed at a time.

Because Disney scheduled the Marry Poppins 2 flop for Christmas 2018 they had Lucasfilm put Solo in May. With a Star Wars movie in theaters December 2017 and with this person’s edict that only one Star Wars movie be marketed at a time, the first footage ever of Solo was released at the Super Bowl. So it only had 2 months of marketing before it released.

Mary Poppins 2 ended up making less money. Oops.
 
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