anothertech
Member
Solid 6/10 honestly. Needed more actual fleshed out space content/mechanics and better dialogue for me. About what I expected tbh.
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
But why are you checking?I've been refreshing every minute.
Or ... Perhaps I was smarter and realized that if you filter MC scores by date, you can easily see which reviews were added after the review embargo date. And that you don't have to check the scores in real-time to see when new ones were added.
What a life you are leading.
NickFire
Member
Do I believe someone was overly critical to get attention? Absolutely
Do I believe someone tried to game metacritic by giving review copies to fanatics and slow-walking copies to objective reviewers? Absolutely
Do I believe a lot of user scores that aren't tied to accounts who played the game were posted in bad faith? Absolutely
Would it be interesting to see an aggregated score that only included outlets who don't have the word Xbox in the outlets' names? You're damned right that would be interesting.
Do I believe someone tried to game metacritic by giving review copies to fanatics and slow-walking copies to objective reviewers? Absolutely
Do I believe a lot of user scores that aren't tied to accounts who played the game were posted in bad faith? Absolutely
Would it be interesting to see an aggregated score that only included outlets who don't have the word Xbox in the outlets' names? You're damned right that would be interesting.
Honey Bunny
Member
Mods love making work for themselves over there.Starfield review thread got locked in that other forum after the 4/10 reactions
Which is very strange, considering they do it for free.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
Edited for solidarity purposes, don't be a bigot.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Ornery cunt/10
Topher
Identifies as young
I agree 4/10 does seem harsh, but the actual review imo is spot on. I brought it up before, but BGS's design approach to Open World, RPG mechanics, and camerawork are old and outdated. They're sticking only to what they know, and aren't evolving their craft. It's been 17 years since Oblivion. Compare that to other studios like Capcom who've continued to experiment with Resident Evil, to mostly great results. Or Nintendo with their latest Zelda games. Even FromSoftware who tend to stick to their Soulslike design, have evolved and experimented with the formula with games like Sekiro, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring.
Bethesda has been doing the same shit, the same janky shit, for nearly two decades. On top of that while Starfield has it's good points, much of the game feels so shallow thanks to it's procedurally generated maps, abundant loading screens, repeated enemy and base placement, and braindead AI.
And look it's cool if you or anyone else love the game. But I'd wager that someone's enjoyment of Starfield, significantly hinges on how much they love the setting and can allow themselves to be immersed in that world. To people who crave exploring space in a more grounded tonal approach, Starfield is a dream come true. But if the things I listed above are enough to annoy you, it's going to demolish your immersion, take you out of the experience, and annoy you if anything else. This is what Jim is talking about, and while I do think the 4/10 is a bit extra, their actual points are sound imo.
I read his review and frankly, he seems to be working overtime to justify his score. I think there are some actual legit criticisms, many of which I have voiced myself. But he bends over backwards to portray Bethesda making a Bethesda game as a bad thing. He is right that it is what many of us want. And he focuses so much on the repetition in procedurally generated portions of the game and yet not nearly as much attention given to the scope of the crafted elements how much content is there. And it is funny because the praise in the review for the space combat is what I consider to a weak point of the game. So yeah, I'm at odds with review in both its positive and negative opinions. It's fine......opinions, etc. But in any case, I stand by my position that the game doesn't deserve a 4/10. I think we mostly agree on that.
I'm not going to make excuses for Microsoft for how they handled review codes. Seems to me they are still feeling the effect of Redfall's trouncing by critics and are making poor decisions in order to over-mitigate the situation and proactively attempt to engineer a better metacritic result. Microsoft and Bethesda absolutely deserve the criticism for that.
That's really playing twister to justify lowball scores for select games while putting others on a pedestal and suggesting they are immune. Not going to play that game my man. Agree to disagree.
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ByWatterson
Member
I mean a 4/10 is a bit click-baity, but I think a 5 or 6 is fair. The game excels at nothing in particular and does some things (sense of place especially) very poorly. You don't get an automatic floor of 8/10 for ambition alone if your efforts are aimed at things that simply aren't very good.
I didn't play enough to rate it with certainty, but what I did play garners a 6/10 from me. It's a slog of loading screens, menus, weak combat, and an insane amount of killing without context. It is ambitious only in scope, not in design, narrative, or gameplay.
I didn't play enough to rate it with certainty, but what I did play garners a 6/10 from me. It's a slog of loading screens, menus, weak combat, and an insane amount of killing without context. It is ambitious only in scope, not in design, narrative, or gameplay.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
BbMajor7th
Member
I bounced off Fallout 4 for this reason.
yazenov
Gold Member
When the metacritic score dips to 84 and below, it will no doubt be below what the majority of the voters here expected for this game. Only 12.5 percent of the voters expectations were met.
It will be hard to deny that this game is a disappointment critically.
Also the steam reviews aren't too kind to this game. So let's admit that this game hasn't met the unrealistic expectations of many of the fans.
It will be hard to deny that this game is a disappointment critically.
Also the steam reviews aren't too kind to this game. So let's admit that this game hasn't met the unrealistic expectations of many of the fans.
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Varteras
Member
Well I'll be a son of a bitch. Looks
Mibu no ookami
might be right. That metacritic is down to 85 and that's without Metro's expected 6/10 score. Glad I didn't make any jizz gargling bets like a few of you freaks (love it) seem to always do.
Mibu no ookami
might be right. That metacritic is down to 85 and that's without Metro's expected 6/10 score. Glad I didn't make any jizz gargling bets like a few of you freaks (love it) seem to always do.
ByWatterson
Member
And see, I platinumed Fallout 4 for some reason. I think it's because I was a new dad at the time, and the hook of FIND MY SON really got me invested in the gameplay loop. But Fallout has a much, much better sense of place. Just walking around looking at stuff informs the fish-out-of-water experience of the protagonist. The gameplay and narrative married really nicely, and so I could overlook a lot of what it does poorly.
The space feeling in Starfield should have been the glue here. Instead it's the primary reason the whole thing falls apart.
Raven117
Member
The MC will be what the MC will be.
I found that rushing the game kinda sucks. The clunkiness of it really shows. If i was a reviewer...Id hate it. They don't have the luxury of just taking it easy and settling in.
I found that once I slowed down and just kinda settled in, it became much more enjoyable.
The really slow and dare I say, terrible, opening really does suck...which is funny because so many Bethesda games do better here. It kinda puts you on edge immediately and it takes hours to kinda get back on that good cadence.
I found that rushing the game kinda sucks. The clunkiness of it really shows. If i was a reviewer...Id hate it. They don't have the luxury of just taking it easy and settling in.
I found that once I slowed down and just kinda settled in, it became much more enjoyable.
The really slow and dare I say, terrible, opening really does suck...which is funny because so many Bethesda games do better here. It kinda puts you on edge immediately and it takes hours to kinda get back on that good cadence.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
85 MC now on Xbox.
Steam concurrent player count is consistent, which is good, but not massive. Now slightly doubting it'll break 300K concurrent over the weekend. If it does, have strong doubt it'll break 370K concurrent.
76% user score on Steam; 6.1 user score on MetaCritic, but that's suspect to review-bombing so isn't very useful.
How much does Metro UK weigh into the average?
Seems to me Jimquisition's score is the one that brought the Xbox one down to an 85, and I'm guessing Metro UK has to weigh at least as much as Jimquisition.
Steam concurrent player count is consistent, which is good, but not massive. Now slightly doubting it'll break 300K concurrent over the weekend. If it does, have strong doubt it'll break 370K concurrent.
76% user score on Steam; 6.1 user score on MetaCritic, but that's suspect to review-bombing so isn't very useful.
Well I'll be a son of a bitch. Looks
How much does Metro UK weigh into the average?
Seems to me Jimquisition's score is the one that brought the Xbox one down to an 85, and I'm guessing Metro UK has to weigh at least as much as Jimquisition.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Not at all, my friend. Perhaps you didn't understand my point or I failed to articulate it.
I was saying that if a game is a 7/10 and a reviewer gives it 10/10 (30 points higher than average), it is reasonable to assume that another reviewer might go the exact points in the opposite direction and give it a 4/10. Both reviewers would be considered hyperbolic, but at least it would be consistent.
If a person can go 30 points up, then another can go 30 points down, too, right?
However, if a game, like Zelda or Elden Ring, is already a 10/10 by pretty much every reviewer, there is no place to go 30 points up. If a person goes 30 points down and gives it a 7/10, it'd be considered odd and controversial, also because he'd be the only person to do this.
A less decisive game has less room for variance. A divisive game would have elements that some really like and others really dislike. That's what make those "middle-scale" gams divisive, e.g., Death Stranding.
Having said that, we can agree to disagree of course.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
A pretty fun one. I play games; I contribute to gaming forums. I do things related to my hobbies.
What kind of life are you leading that bothers you and makes you sad if someone shares insights into reviews ... in a review thread?
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
- Metro = Low weightage (0.75)
- Eurogamer = Medium weightage (1.0)
- Edge = High weightage (1.25)
P.S. This is according to the last proper information, which is very old though. So take it as you will.
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Varteras
Member
I'm not sure exactly how much weight it has, but it is a pretty well known reviewer and a 6/10 is probably going to have a fairly sizeable impact. Mind you, they could go higher than that. They just said that based on what they had played, they couldn't see it being any higher than that. Which also means they could score it lower yet.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Thanks. I'm checking the critic's side on Meta and can't find Eurogamer in the "In-Progress" section, don't know what's up with that. Polygon is unscored, but going off the blurb if they did give it score, sounds like it'd be a 7.5/10 or 8/10 at absolute best.
Ah so that's where the 6/10 talk is coming from, thanks. If they weigh on the heavier end, that or even a 7/10 from them could potentially bring the score down by another point.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
It's coming from the Metro's in-progress review / first impressions.
From that in-progress review:
So, at best it'd seem like they will give it a 6/10, but can go lower to maybe 5/10. But 6/10 seems like a safer bet.
Solidsnake_1
Banned
10 FAN SITES !!! Do sony and nintendo have 10 fanboy sites combined ?!
Kilau
Member
You're the kid that accuses people of harassing reviewers with zero evidence and I should grow up?
Jim is a worthless troll critic and has been for a long time but I'm also talking about the clearly biased "xbox" named sites that spit out 10s just to boost the aggregate. Yeah, MC and OC need a culling from both ends of the spectrum.
tmlDan
Member
with 30fps and it dipping below that id expect the xbox version to land at an 82 tbh, the PC version also has issues.
I don't know why it has to dip from 120 fps to 25 fps at times for no apparent reason. It makes sense in other games when there's a lot happening on screen but thats not the case for Starfield
I don't know why it has to dip from 120 fps to 25 fps at times for no apparent reason. It makes sense in other games when there's a lot happening on screen but thats not the case for Starfield
Metacritics job is to aggregate review scores. All review scores. If they ever stepped into editorialising and selecting which reviews are counted, they would have destroyed their role.
The problem here isn’t Metacritic, or particular outlets (whether ‘biased’ or not) it is instead simply the insane obsession that you and half this board have with these aggregated scores.
Stop being lazy, stop being obsessed with numbers that don’t represent what you think they represent and go READ SOME REVIEWS.
This aggregate score obsession here has lead to nothing but bullshit. A bullshit culture that has infected this forum.
And yes, you need to grow up. Grow up and accept that different people hold different opinions. Generally it’s something people learn as a child, but you’ve not got there yet.
This complete inability to understand the concept of an opinion is like a 10,000 tonne weight on this places culture.
I don’t give two fucks what you think of Sterling, he’s a professional games critic. That goes for any of the outlets that MC use.
No amount of whining from you is going to get those reviews discounted.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
It's coming from the Metro's in-progress review / first impressions.
From that in-progress review:
So, at best it'd seem like they will give it a 6/10, but can go lower to maybe 5/10. But 6/10 seems like a safer bet.
Yah, overall reception is looking somewhat mixed among critics, and maybe even harsher from non-critics. Though, the game is not a disaster, nowhere near one. It just didn't live up to certain lofty expectations (some thrusted upon it due to now being a 1P title), but in a lot of cases not even modern expectations for current open-world RPG games, in various areas.
I know there are people still holding out hope, for example, that Steam concurrent shoots up to BG3 numbers; that ain't happening. I think the game will be lucky to hit 350K concurrent on Steam over the weekend, but it could very well shoot below 300K peak. The player numbers right now are consistent, which is good, but I'm interested to see how that holds after the first full week of availability.
Gonna guess that launch month sales are something around 1.5 - 2 million between Steam and Xbox. Not bad, just not massive like Elden Ring/TOTK/GOWR numbers. BG3 on PS5 will probably reach those numbers or within earshot the same month. Spiderman 2, Super Mario Wonder, & Super Mario RPG Remake will blow past those numbers within the first few days they go on sale. And then there's COD in November.
I'll still try to play Starfield for sure, hopefully when I can borrow a family member's Series S and get it through Game Pass. This weekend preferably. I'd like to do some comparisons with it against HFW after taking a day to just play it on its own merits. From what others are saying and what I've seen so far, seems like I'll be a solid 8/10 experience. Something fun for a few hours over the weekend, but doesn't seem like a type of game I'd want to invest a ton of time into (not without big mods).
In the meantime...time to get some gains
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Jadsey
Member
I have 1600+ hours in D3… I absolutely adore that game.
The campaign and art style of D4 are excellent. But the endgame is mind numbingly boring.
My main problems are mob density and resource management. It feels so slow and clunky to play…truly horrible.
And every time the community found a way to make it fun, Blizz said ‘no, how dare you enjoy yourself!’ and promptly nerfed it to the ground.
It’s in a bad way and they are haemorrhaging players like crazy. I suspect in about five seasons time it will be fun though!
For now I await the new D3 season!
twilo99
Member
10 FAN SITES !!! Do sony and nintendo have 10 fanboy sites combined ?!
They have a few but I don’t think as many
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jm89
Member
Lol why is IGN there?They have a few but I don’t think as many
In no way are they pro playstation like those other ones.
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twilo99
Member
My personal review is
I've been playing it on xss, not bad at all..
Still hovering around 8-8.5/10 for me
I'll still try to play Starfield for sure, hopefully when I can borrow a family member's Series S and get it through Game Pass. This weekend preferably. I'd like to do some comparisons with it against HFW after taking a day to just play it on its own merits. From what others are saying and what I've seen so far, seems like I'll be a solid 8/10 experience. Something fun for a few hours over the weekend, but doesn't seem like a type of game I'd want to invest a ton of time into (not without big mods).
In the meantime...time to get some gains
I've been playing it on xss, not bad at all..
Still hovering around 8-8.5/10 for me
Kilau
Member
Yeah, I'm not going to read that gobbledygook. Not sure why you think you've earned the right to talk to people like you do. Grow up or you'll be on the ban page before long.
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twilo99
Member
GHG
Member
They have a few but I don’t think as many
adamsapple
told me that dualshockers isn't a Playstation fan site recently:Wait wait wait, what the heck are you two puffing over here? Since when is Dualshockers a "playstation centric" website? Because they have "Dualshock" in their name ?
As an example, Playstation Lifetyle is a PS centric website, it only covers PS console and VR content, Dualshockers covers all consoles, anime, TV and movies.
Also IGN is there.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
94 is closer to a 10/10 than an 85 is. I do know that much with maths.
now will it hold 85, we know bethesda has a soft spot for the number
honestly not a good outlook especially if you consider the dozen fanboy sites.
honestly not a good outlook especially if you consider the dozen fanboy sites.
Gudji
Member
Been playing for a couple of hours and man the intro is so meh... it's too early to come to conclusions but based on what I've played so far I'd say the 7s and 8s seem to be on point.
People say it starts to get real good after 12 hours so I'm going to put some effort into it but overall the technical level, polish and design demonstrated so far doesn't feel like one of those sublime games you get from time to time, which is a shame.
Seriously get a fucking new engine - I pray the day some big developer with more technical chops decides to make a "bethesda game" maybe they'll move their ass for real.
Btw I think Todd Howard might be the voice of Dr. Wynn if not he sounds very similar.
People say it starts to get real good after 12 hours so I'm going to put some effort into it but overall the technical level, polish and design demonstrated so far doesn't feel like one of those sublime games you get from time to time, which is a shame.
Seriously get a fucking new engine - I pray the day some big developer with more technical chops decides to make a "bethesda game" maybe they'll move their ass for real.
Btw I think Todd Howard might be the voice of Dr. Wynn if not he sounds very similar.
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Madflavor
Member
When the metacritic score dips to 84 and below, it will no doubt be below what the majority of the voters here expected for this game. Only 12.5 percent of the voters expectations were met.
It will be hard to deny that this game is a disappointment critically.
Also the steam reviews aren't too kind to this game. So let's admit that this game hasn't met the unrealistic expectations of many of the fans.
I'm predicting it'll level off at either 84 or 85, I don't think it'll actually dip below an 84. It would take a lot more 7/10 and below scores to bring it that far down at this point. I can't see Eurogamer, Edge and Metro giving good scores, but I think there will be enough good scores to keep it afloat of 84.
Still 85 or below is a disappointing score overall for this game.
Topher
Identifies as young
Dualshockers just has a PS based name but they have covered all platforms for quite some time. But that image left out PlayStation Lifestyle. No idea why IGN is there.
Gudji
Member
You forgot Stevivor.10 FAN SITES !!! Do sony and nintendo have 10 fanboy sites combined ?!
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
i don't think my heart could handle an 84
Zathalus
Member
Yes they do. Sony has around 10 or so. Oh and XGN is not a Xbox fansite.10 FAN SITES !!! Do sony and nintendo have 10 fanboy sites combined ?!
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I’m not sure how you think I talk if you didn’t read my post. But obviously you did.
Your suggestions are nonsensical and you know it.
Metacritic is in no position to decide what a ‘valid’ outlet is. The moment they did that they be useless a score aggregator because everyone would be arguing over how and why Metacritic excludes certain outlets.
There’s no sense at all in excluding the highest or lowest scores, there is only your personal biased conclusion that these scores mean something, something you don’t like.
You’re just saying “I don’t like these, get rid of them”.
You know perfectly well that MC and OC will never ever cull any of your hated outlets. It’s almost as if they’re not working off your personal biases and obsessions and are simply aggregating review scores.
It’s time to stop tilting at windmills and move on. Your fundamental problem - as is common here - is that you take your little opinions as being unbiased objective statements of fact.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They have weighted scores and decide which outlets get more weight than others.
DJ12
Member
Stevivor, is going to be 10 out of 10 as soon as he gets back from holiday and sees what his staff have done.You forgot Stevivor.