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[digdug2]

"We are not sheep, you are the sheep!" cries the hivemind as it sinks into the abyss of trying to stay relevant but making more of a fool. I'm sorry, but every time I see these arguments against "woke" mindsets or shit like that its just the same drongos. Wailing about how they can't do and say what they want, and everyone else should just shut up and listen.

The anti-woke culture is just as bad as the bloody woke culture. However, it is hilarious that the original coinage of woke was to claim knowledge of events or be involved in conspiracies that prove the lizard people are real or some stupid shit. Now it's just a washed up term used by anyone not liking something who can not be bothered (or capable of) piecing an argument together that doesn't include the word "woke" or "blue haired people" like it is some gotcha moment.

Plus the whole pedo shit is very sus, people happy to claim that with literally no knowledge except the "they are forcing values on mah kids therefore pedos!" Wouldn't that mean ol' Trumpy is a pedo for forcing ideologies on people?

Most people are sheep, they just follow different shepherds.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Imagine an organization having the stated goal of having more horses in video games. Gradually, you see horses appear in games where they don't make sense. Characters with horse-love being their defining feature.

Horses you say...

 

[darth.shrimp]

Imagine an organization having the stated goal of having more horses in video games. Gradually, you see horses appear in games where they don't make sense. Characters with horse-love being their defining feature.

 

[Jaybe]

Locked now but lots of good information on Sweet Baby employee posts are screenshotted in this thread

Drama - Community - Drama: Sweet Baby employees start fighting back against Steam curator

What if it's no accident. What if it's end game time and everything we love/hold dear has to be destroyed in order to further demoralise the population making us weaker. It's to create divisions amongst us. Divided we fight each other and not the people at the top of the pyramid. Out of the...

www.neogaf.com

 

[digdug2]

Locked now but lots of good information on Sweet Baby employee posts are screenshotted in this thread

Drama - Community - Drama: Sweet Baby employees start fighting back against Steam curator

What if it's no accident. What if it's end game time and everything we love/hold dear has to be destroyed in order to further demoralise the population making us weaker. It's to create divisions amongst us. Divided we fight each other and not the people at the top of the pyramid. Out of the...

www.neogaf.com

My bad for getting it locked.

 

[SF Kosmo]

Dang, using the word "conspiracy" two times in a post. The gaslighting is strong with this one. Let's speak FACTS.

- MJ magically has aged forty years and behaves as such, with obnoxious looks and personality. That character is anything but MJ.

They were story consultants, they have nothing to do with how she looks.

- The deaf chick (everyone's favorite character) has a presence in the game.

- The swap of JJJ for that... "thing" on the radio.

These things were in Miles Morales, which Sweet Baby didn't even work on.

So you are saying that hiring a racist lunatic cult as "consultants" for the story has had no impact on any of these questionable decisions. Yeah, right.

Again, are you basing "racist lunatic cult" on any actual information other than some corpo speak on their website about "valuing diversity?" Like I completely don't get where you're getting any of this. It comes off genuinely insane.

And no, there is no "room for everyone" in the industry because these people are demolishing all the other rooms left without them. A virus always spreads to the next target. And this is factual, too.

What the fuck are you even talking about about? Just be normal, man.

 

[Big Baller]

It took me a while to find the curator shit. People complain about the Xbox store but Steam is just as bad.

 

[Guilty_AI]

It took me a while to find the curator shit. People complain about the Xbox store but Steam is just as bad.

O please, Xbox store doesn't even have genre tags

 

[Unknown Soldier]

It took me a while to find the curator shit. People complain about the Xbox store but Steam is just as bad.

LOL the Xbox store doesn't have 10% of the features that Steam has

 

[SF Kosmo]

Imagine an organization having the stated goal of having more horses in video games. Gradually, you see horses appear in games where they don't make sense. Characters with horse-love being their defining feature.

Would a company that didn't already intend to put more horses in a game hire such a company?

Like it's fine if you don't like a game, but be mad at the people on top making the decisions, not some rando consultancy they brought in to help execute on goals. The amount of power and influence people have ascribed here feels out of touch with reality. People hire consultancies like this because they align on goals.

 

[Shake Your Rump]

Would a company that didn't already intend to put more horses in a game hire such a company?

If I form a group that kicks puppies, we should blame the corporations that hire my team instead of the puppy kickers?

 

[Osaka_Boss]

Did they remove some games from there?

 

[recursive]

Never heard of this Sweet Baby Inc or Chris Kindred until today, and I wish I hadn’t. Hopefully their services will be used and needed less and less.

They are most definitely not needed but unfortunately they will probably still be used. Easy ESG points for companies that contract to them.

 

[SF Kosmo]

If I form a group that kicks puppies, we should blame the corporations that hire my team instead of the puppy kickers?

I mean... Yes? Obviously? In the same way we hold governments accountable for war and not soldiers.

If you have an argument to the contrary I would love to hear it, but I'm confused by the question.

 

[Phase]

And no, there is no "room for everyone" in the industry because these people are demolishing all the other rooms left without them. A virus always spreads to the next target. And this is factual, too.

Thank you. This is what many don't get. Their goal is to be pervasive, which is why defense against it keeps growing because it keeps invading people's spaces. Most try to ignore it, until they just can't any longer.

 

[LegendOfKage]

Would a company that didn't already intend to put more horses in a game hire such a company?

Like it's fine if you don't like a game, but be mad at the people on top making the decisions, not some rando consultancy they brought in to help execute on goals. The amount of power and influence people have ascribed here feels out of touch with reality. People hire consultancies like this because they align on goals.

If I form a group that kicks puppies, we should blame the corporations that hire my team instead of the puppy kickers?

I mean... Yes? Obviously? In the same way we hold governments accountable for war and not soldiers.

If you have an argument to the contrary I would love to hear it, but I'm confused by the question.

I think the best answer is you should blame both. Yes, people who hire these people obviously want their advice and direction, but that doesn't mean this steam group isn't a good idea. If the idea is you don't want "woke" racists and sexists writing these games (or approving the writing in these games), then this sends a message that this particular brand of "diversity" writers are doing a bad job. In the end, by being critical of their choice of consultants, this steam group is ultimately critical of those at the top making the decisions that led to poor writing in games like Spider-Man 2 and Suicide Squad. Does that make sense?

 

[delfrickintree]

Guys, just STOP paying attention to Sweet Baby Inc. They arent doing any harm, its blown out of proportion, companies hire THEM (they never lobby their clients), its too many conspiracies about pdf files targeting children and undermining the patriarchy. ITS NOT HAPPENING. Why dont you guys have a life instead of noticing these patterns infesting your nasty games. All those games ever did was create bigoted monsters anyway! Aahh stop noticing!!

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Damn, almost 92,000 already. This could hit 100K before the weekend is through. It just warms my heart seeing people finally start to pay attention to this stuff.

I hope “Sweet Baby” becomes such an embarrassment and a disgrace that nobody will ever want to admit involvement with them.

 

[mitch1971]

 

[dottme]

By the way I wouldn't physically follow them if I was any of you. The era crowd are mentally unwell and they will use any bit of evidence they can to ruin your life. Even following a curator on steam informing about woke shit.

You know it’s already too late because you post on a neo nazi website like neogaf.

 

[Big Baller]

By the way I wouldn't physically follow them if I was any of you. The era crowd are mentally unwell and they will use any bit of evidence they can to ruin your life. Even following a curator on steam informing about woke shit.

You think I give a shit?

 

[SF Kosmo]

They worked on this...

So you know what agenda they are pushing into games they are working on.

I'm sorry, you're saying they made the queer-centric furry visual novel too woke?

Tell me, what are your favorite queer furry visual novels, and how are they better than this one? What would this game look like in a world where Sweet Baby didn't consult on it?

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Sweet Baby Ray BBQ Sauce company should sue them.

 

[LegendOfKage]

Sweet Baby Ray BBQ Sauce company should sue them.

I know I often get the two confused.

 

[SF Kosmo]

In the end, by being critical of their choice of consultants, this steam group is ultimately critical of those at the top making the decisions that led to poor writing in games like Spider-Man 2 and Suicide Squad. Does that make sense?

It would if they did any writing on Spider-Man 2, but they didn't. But no one seems to be able to engage with that. Everything bad is their fault, they're a "cult", people calling them pedophiles? Like it's all too sweaty, just be normal, and buy games you like and don't buy games you don't.

 

[CherryFalls]

Theyre trending on twitter, they are deleting tweets and account is on lockdown.

Some damage certainly being done here, it’s wonderful

 

[cireza]

So they worked on Starfield (learnt this thanks to this video). It surely explains a lot. Playing the game, I felt like every single planet I could visit I would basically be taken for the worst shit in the universe, be tread poorly and having people giving me orders constantly. Never would I want to spend time with these shitty humans all over the galaxy. Also, every straight white male was actually a slave or an asshole in this game.

 

[JayK47]

These woke ass consultant companies are such a grift. They are everywhere, infecting so many industries. And I am not at all surprised at who is defending them. I am sick and tired of they/them turning everything to shit.

 

[nush]

I'm sorry, you're saying they made the queer-centric furry visual novel too woke?

Tell me, what are your favorite queer furry visual novels, and how are they better than this one? What would this game look like in a world where Sweet Baby didn't consult on it?

 

[Bombolone]

Wow 93,000

 

[OmegaSupreme]

One guy in here is really passionate about sweet baby inc.

 

[Drake]

I mean, I don't see what's wrong about informing consumers on a projects that they work on. This shouldn't be an issue.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I mean, I don't see what's wrong about informing consumers on a projects that they work on. This shouldn't be an issue.

i don't think it is.

 

[Big Baller]

Wow 93,000

 

[nush]

And still "Game journalists" remain absolutely silent on this story.

It's been what 3-4 days now?

 

[Terenty]

100k followers will at least make indies think twice before getting involved with these fuckers

 

[KiteGr]

 

[BennyBlanco]

 

[Unknown Soldier]

And still "Game journalists" remain absolutely silent on this story.

It's been what 3-4 days now?

LOL they were able to completely ignore the existence of 24 million copies sold Hogwarts Legacy for more than a year now, once they are able to pretend something like that doesn't exist, this is easy by comparison

 

[kiphalfton]

100k followers will at least make indies think twice before getting involved with these fuckers

Could be 1 million, and it probably won't make any difference.

Companies will continue working with them, because inclusivity/etc. now has enough exposure that it isn't just going to go away.

 

[Clear]

Could be 1 million, and it probably won't make any difference.

Companies will continue working with them, because inclusivity/etc. now has enough exposure that it isn't just going to go away.

The trick is not to engage in an ideological fight.

Just point out that they don't add anything of value to the projects they are involved with. This is simply because people react to authentic feeling stories, and how authentic can something feel if that "reality" was added-in by a consultancy?

If producers want to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion, maybe they should try and create it organically, not by outsourcing it to these hacks.

 

[Scotty W]

they’re completely ignorant about how some of the worst atrocities committed by man have been done exactly by those who also believed they were on the right side of history

Unfortunately, many are not ignorant. Year Zero is the goal.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

The hyper-fixation on this company is getting a bit much. Don't get me wrong, they're terrible and should be eradicated ASAP, but some people act like if they went away then all wokeshit would crumble to dust immediately like villains in a Marvel movie.

Unfortunately, the industry has been infected with a lot of the same kind of people that work at this place and agree with them. Like, Druckmann didn't need Sweet Baby to pull all the shit he did in TLOU2, Bioware didn't need them to purposely uglify female Ryder in Andromeda, etc.

Sweet Baby is essentially a force multiplier, but not the entire problem.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

One guy in here is really passionate about sweet baby inc.

Well, I don't like to brag

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

The hyper-fixation on this company is getting a bit much. Don't get me wrong, they're terrible and should be eradicated ASAP, but some people act like if they went away then all wokeshit would crumble to dust immediately like villains in a Marvel movie.

Unfortunately, the industry has been infected with a lot of the same kind of people that work at this place and agree with them. Like, Druckmann didn't need Sweet Baby to pull all the shit he did in TLOU2, Bioware didn't need them to purposely uglify female Ryder in Andromeda, etc.

Sweet Baby is essentially a force multiplier, but not the entire problem.

Hyper-fixation is exactly what needs to be done if you want to make a statement. Bud Light was targeted for a boycott and they felt it. Easier to get people to vote with their wallet against one of these companies.

What would your suggestion be?

 

[Lambogenie]

The hyper-fixation on this company is getting a bit much. Don't get me wrong, they're terrible and should be eradicated ASAP, but some people act like if they went away then all wokeshit would crumble to dust immediately like villains in a Marvel movie.

Unfortunately, the industry has been infected with a lot of the same kind of people that work at this place and agree with them. Like, Druckmann didn't need Sweet Baby to pull all the shit he did in TLOU2, Bioware didn't need them to purposely uglify female Ryder in Andromeda, etc.

Sweet Baby is essentially a force multiplier, but not the entire problem.

Yeah. I think many people here work in companies with employees pushing for these minority changes who have no shame to "make things more gay" (example) for kids products when the audience, though many are gay, simply aren't a majority or an appealing thing to magnify for the majority audience.

 

[Aenima]

Hyper-fixation is exactly what needs to be done if you want to make a statement. Bud Light was targeted for a boycott and they felt it. Easier to get people to vote with their wallet against one of these companies.

What would your suggestion be?

Exactly, while Sweet Baby vomit is not the root of the problem, ppl need to let the studios know they are fed up with shit like this. This is a cancer that started like 10 years ago and ppl didnt made much noise cuz tought it would go away. But the reality is that, like a cancer, it kept spreading and making games worse.

 

[FunkMiller]

Careful with all this conspiracy talk, I got the other Sweet Baby thread closed because of it

He’s talking about the effect of Sweet Baby Inc on the writing in Spider-man 2. You were shitting up that other thread with conspiracy bullshit about Covid and climate change being ‘based on ideology and control’.

He’s right. You're a lunatic.

It’s perfectly reasonable to look at who works for Sweet Baby Inc, and arrive at a sensible conclusion that their contributions to video games are ideologically based, and largely bigoted against the main audience for video games.

No one needs to descend into idiocy about grand conspiracies and ‘control’.

It‘s just a terrible consultancy firm, hired by awful games executives who are trying to milk a new audience of woke idiots. Terrible consultancy firms are everywhere, giving terrible advice. Sweet Baby Inc just get more press right now because they base their entire operation on political ideology - which games companies love, and gamers largely hate.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

They worked on this...

So you know what agenda they are pushing into games they are working on.

But this was NeoGaf´s most anticipated game ever.

 

[bender]

But this was NeoGaf´s most anticipated game ever.

The same website that had Halo Infinite as their game of the year.