Switch 2 - does Series S existence guarantee huge third party parity for the next 6 years?
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BlackTron
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We´re on about power baselines here. Ofc the Switch can run antyhing that released on PS4.
This is quite some PS4 game to do this with. The one everyone said should have been a next gen only game because PS4 performance was so bad, while others validated getting 4090s to max it out. There's a bit of nuance missing here.
PeteBull
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Even if we assume ps6 coming in 2027(unlikely, sony gonna need 3nm node, holidays 2028 is way more likely) then we for sure still getting 2years of crossgen period, likely crossgen gonna prevail till around 2030.
If switch2 has solid instalbase (quick 40-50m units in first 2-3 years which is not only totally possible but highly likely) pubs will downport multiplats to it even with big cuts, as long as it makes financial sense.
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No.
XBSS is a consequence of the causes which will guarantee strong and prolonged third-party support for Switch 2 if the console is successful.
Nvidia tech and tools know-how will be the foundation to exploit the diminishing returns trend and the rising economic forces that push third-parties to support a wide array of platforms with scalable solutions.
Four years later Cyberpunk 2077 is still one of the benchmark for big productions in the current generation.
Have Switch 2 hit a 'good enough' ceiling for a big portion of the addressable consumer base?
Also the porting process to Switch 2 by CD Projekt seems to have been/will be quite short; is the ease of development quick enough (which transalte to cheap enough) for publishers which are under pressure to turn around their expensive projects through new avenues?
XBSS is a consequence of the causes which will guarantee strong and prolonged third-party support for Switch 2 if the console is successful.
Nvidia tech and tools know-how will be the foundation to exploit the diminishing returns trend and the rising economic forces that push third-parties to support a wide array of platforms with scalable solutions.
Four years later Cyberpunk 2077 is still one of the benchmark for big productions in the current generation.
Have Switch 2 hit a 'good enough' ceiling for a big portion of the addressable consumer base?
Also the porting process to Switch 2 by CD Projekt seems to have been/will be quite short; is the ease of development quick enough (which transalte to cheap enough) for publishers which are under pressure to turn around their expensive projects through new avenues?
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RetroGamingUK
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PS6 is likely Nov 2028
Then expect a good couple of years of cross-gen taking us into 2031.
Power Pro
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I wish I could engage in these types of conversations, but if the pricing situation doesn't get settled somehow, I think the Switch 2 might actually be a flop. This is a different situation than the 3DS where they overpriced the hardware and had a leader like Iwata who was willing to take a hit for the company so they could lower the price. This situation is completely different. Even if the Nintendo wants to keep the price of the Switch the same as $450, if the tariffs don't change, I don't see how they will be able to not raise the price.
I don't mean to derail this thread by talking about this stuff again, but I think it plays a major factor in how well the Switch 2 will be supported going forward. All the great support at the launch here has probably been because of Switch 1's success, and even at $450, I think the Switch 2 might have gone on to see similar success. However, if we see a price increase, I think there is a strong possibility the Switch 2 will do poorly, and with poor hardware sales, that leads to poor third party support, so we'll be lucky if we do get those games we'd want to see on the hardware.
This whole situation fucking sucks.
I don't mean to derail this thread by talking about this stuff again, but I think it plays a major factor in how well the Switch 2 will be supported going forward. All the great support at the launch here has probably been because of Switch 1's success, and even at $450, I think the Switch 2 might have gone on to see similar success. However, if we see a price increase, I think there is a strong possibility the Switch 2 will do poorly, and with poor hardware sales, that leads to poor third party support, so we'll be lucky if we do get those games we'd want to see on the hardware.
This whole situation fucking sucks.
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Mownoc
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For PS5 I agree, it'll have cross-gen support for a good while after the ps6 is released. For Series S/X I expect the platform to be dropped earlier. Hardware sales are already dead. I would be very surprised for the Series to still be supported in 6 years time.
Schmendrick
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Like you leaving out the part of the "maxing out PCs" only happening due to features that never were in the console versions? Or the part where the game was literally half finished at release and now runs actually pretty ok on last gen?
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Donkusei
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Actually, in France, it looks like it will be a record at launch. But who knows what will happen with the global economic situation (thx Trump).
memoryman3
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No. We are seeing games that run fine on Series S but struggle on gaming handhelds already. Silent Hill, Space Marine, Remnant 2 and the like all run poorly or are unplayable on Switch 2 spec devices. Developers will just target PS5 and scale down to 720p or 540p on Series S, and not bother with handhelds.
Donkusei
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What "gaming handhelds"? Steam Deck is less powerful than Switch 2. And other gaming handhelds are just PC devices, the games are not optimized at all. Did you see how Street Fighter 6 or Cyberpunk look on Steam Deck and on Switch 2? The footage we saw is not even final for Switch 2.
I don't think that the Series S is much more powerful than a Switch 2 docked. Switch 2 has pretty much the same TFlops (maybe just a little bit less), has more RAM, a better architecture, DLSS compatibility... There are some weak points presumably, the CPU? And the memory bandwidth, but overall I don't that it will matter that much because most games are GPU heavy and they have a good decompression technology.
We'll see.
Portugeezer
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Whether the Switch 2 sells well is what will do that.
Mister Wolf
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Doesn't the Switch 2 have more RAM than the Series S? I'm sure it will be easier for Larian to port BG3 to the Switch 2 than all the hurdles they had to overcome for the Series S.
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BlackTron
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The takeaway is that if Switch 2 can competently run this game 7 weeks after devkits went out, it implies a higher power ceiling than PS4 which after the years of updates is "actually pretty ok".
Switch will have in handheld mode the Phantom Liberty expansion that PS4 (including Pro) didn't get at all, let that sink in. My fast and loose barometer for a docked Switch is near Series S at the moment.
GoldenEye98
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The memory bandwidth is significantly lower though.
Mister Wolf
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Was that the problem with that port being delayed though or was it the scarce amount of RAM?
Schmendrick
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uh...was that ever in question? The faster storage alone is a huge pro here, but beating out 2012 hardware is not really the bar after what has been going on in the handheld sector these last few years, is it?
The question is how harsh cutbacks have to be to get from a Series S base down to the Switch 2`s handheld mode as everything has to run on that, especially since demanding games sometimes approach DVD resolutions on SS already....
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GoldenEye98
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Is having ~15% more ram going to make up for memory bandwidth that's only 30-45% of Series S?...
Mister Wolf
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We will find out.
series s itself can't be a guarantee for anything, there are games already skipping xbox because of it, let alone all the way to 2032. ms studios themselves probably can't wait to drop it, its a certified headache.
if it's somewhat feasible to downport stuff from ps5 to switch2, they'll happen. thats the target platform for any 3rd party for foreseeable future.
if it's somewhat feasible to downport stuff from ps5 to switch2, they'll happen. thats the target platform for any 3rd party for foreseeable future.
balls of snow
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Portable mode needs what at least 540p and dlss to get it looking good on the switch 2 screen. Doable.
I can see big western games like bg3, starfield and ass creed on the switch 2. Practically every japanese game will be ported as well seeing as they are still in cross gen mode. Good times for the devs if the console takes off.
I can see big western games like bg3, starfield and ass creed on the switch 2. Practically every japanese game will be ported as well seeing as they are still in cross gen mode. Good times for the devs if the console takes off.
analog_future
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The Switch 2 will see a big increase in third party ports, but it has nothing to do with the Series S existing.
also I fucking hate when people make a poll with a different question than what their thread title is asking
The graphical gap between Switch 2 and current-gen consoles is closer than the gap between Switch and last-gen consoles.
This is how AAA 3rd party games look on Switch vs Last-gen consoles
Doom 2016
Witcher 3
MK1
Wolfenstein 2
Switch 2 vs current gen consoles
CP2077 Phantom Liberty
Hogwarts Legacy
SF6
Split Fiction
This is how AAA 3rd party games look on Switch vs Last-gen consoles
Doom 2016
Witcher 3
MK1
Wolfenstein 2
Switch 2 vs current gen consoles
CP2077 Phantom Liberty
Hogwarts Legacy
SF6
Split Fiction
LordOcidax
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It's starting to look like is going to be the Opposite OP
StereoVsn
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Only need 1080p textures.With 64GB cartridges?
Fbh
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Yeah I think it will definitely get way more third party support for sure
Yeah, the biggest reason I want the Switch 2 to be a big hit is that if devs start designing their games with it in mind it should also mean those games will run well on Ps5 and mid tier PCs.
Like if Square designs the next Final Fantasy with the Switch 2 in mind it should hopefully mean you can run it at 60fps on a base Ps5 without it looking like shit (unlike Rebirth and XVI).
Yeah, the biggest reason I want the Switch 2 to be a big hit is that if devs start designing their games with it in mind it should also mean those games will run well on Ps5 and mid tier PCs.
Like if Square designs the next Final Fantasy with the Switch 2 in mind it should hopefully mean you can run it at 60fps on a base Ps5 without it looking like shit (unlike Rebirth and XVI).
VolticArchangel
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Too early to say, but we will get an idea when current gen only ports starts coming out on Switch 2, like Monster Hunter Wilds, Dragon's Dogma 2, FF7 Rebirth, Tekken 8 etc.
Can't judge on last gen ports, even though Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty is current gen only, it's just one game and drops the resolution in half.
Can't judge on last gen ports, even though Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty is current gen only, it's just one game and drops the resolution in half.
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Von Hugh
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like they targeted the Series S?
How many XSS have been sold in comparison to Switch?
Schmendrick
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150 million switch sales later no AAA games targeting that system, but Switch 2 will totally be different......
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