Gamer_By_Proxy
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(The Gamer) Dragon Age: The Veilguard Might Give Us Our First Non-Binary Companion
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ElFenomeno
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Well these are the headlines boys. Not hey look what incredible physics and simulation our game has, or check out these cool gameplay ideas, some actual innovation.
Naaaah..f that, here's a non binary companion.
Naaaah..f that, here's a non binary companion.
The Mad Draklor
Member
We really need to hold some sort of Gaming LOLcow of the Year tournament. This year's lineup has quite a lot of strong contenders: Ubisoft, Concord/Firewalk Studios, Dustborn, Sweet Baby Inc, Rebekah Valentine (Black Myth Wukong hitpieces), the Genshin Impact "boycott", and DA: Veilguard.
ThesaurusRex
Neo Member
I didn't think I needed to put the "/s" after my post. I guess that was the real cope.
Angry_Megalodon
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I think ostensibly the way they sold it to management back in the day was “it’s mostly straight white men playing these games, they’re gonna show up no matter what, but just imagine how much we could expand our audience if we make our game friendlier to women, BIPOCs, LGBTQIA, body positivity believers, etc.” “modern audiences are diverse and want to see their identities represented”Alright, here is one thing i don't understand.
For decades, we were told that games is a niche for "nerds" or "gamers" and that it has to become something for everyone. Remember that?
Remember how Sony made gaming more mainstream with the original Playstation? Remember Nintendo making games more casual with the original Wii? Remember "accessibility"? The most common buzzword the industry would use in every game topic? Remember games being dumbed down so everyone can play them, including people who can't even comprehend games? Remember the industry literally trying to please...
Oh, i member. That was my biggest issue with the industry before the woke era started. It was the most important thing, the biggest priority, apparently every publisher wanted the whole population on earth to buy and "enjoy" their games. I mean, at least it makes sense financially, even though such task is impossible. But i could see why they would want that.
And yet, the last 10 years the industry is doing a full 180 and now tries to make it a niche once again. Except this time they don't want it to be for gamers or nerds, they want it to be for the LGBTQ community while trying to push everyone else away. Now they always say things like "this is not meant for you" or "no straight male nerds need apply" or labeling everyone else as "incels/racists/sexists/bigots" etc, while making all these weird design choices to pander to a certain group. Except this time this group is not big enough to sustain such industry.
So what happened to games for "everyone" then? Why are they trying so desperately to make them for a certain niche again, the smallest and most exclusive one yet?
But now that the activists have infiltrated these companies and gained positions of power, it’s mask off. It’s pretty obvious that they’re miserable, resentful people who think that patriarchy and western Judeo-Christian culture are the cause of all their misery. And they’re just relishing the opportunity to administer the bullying for a change.
And the rest have gone along with the lies because anyone who speaks up gets fired/canceled and their reputation demolished.
I do think a lot has changed even in the last year. People aren’t afraid to criticize their shit anymore. And companies have lost an absolute fuck ton of money by targeting some imaginary modern audience instead of their actual audience.
Da1337Vinci
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I just hope that when this game eventually bomb it at least end the story where it's fans is left satisfied. (I won't play it though not a fan)
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
I live in a world where men think they can become women and women think they can become men, with the powers that be within society pushing for it to be socially acceptable. No amount of insanity I hear or read nowadays is taken as "so absurd they must be joking".
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Kacho
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You’re brand new so we don’t have much to go on. We have people here who unironically go to bat for this crap.
Fbh
Member
It's directed by a trans woman and the lead writer is a non binary dude, it's obviously going to be full of these types of characters and writing.
Hopefully the actual writing is good and we don't get diversity added in the most unnatural and immersion breaking way like The Rings of Power.
Hopefully the actual writing is good and we don't get diversity added in the most unnatural and immersion breaking way like The Rings of Power.
solecon64
Member
Honestly, I can't wait for this game to finally come out. Bioware have prolonged their inevitable end for far too long, and it's very clear that they're way too far gone at this point.
Let this be the flop we know it's going to be, let EA do their thing and move on.
We've lost way better studios in the past, current Bioware's existence is just insulting at this point.
Let this be the flop we know it's going to be, let EA do their thing and move on.
We've lost way better studios in the past, current Bioware's existence is just insulting at this point.
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Sounds like you're saying white men will show up no matter what,,,unless the games have people of color, LGBTQIA, etc in them? Are white people the gatekeepers of gaming? Is it only meant for y'all?
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
what the hell are you talking about?
Robot Carnival
Member
thinking a little about it, I don't see this as that big a deal even if it is true. they're not pushing it as some front and center selling point or that you HAVE to use that companion or what not. it's just there, that's all. I think we can accept at least that much. it's when they're forcing us to accept these sorta things without other choices that I'll be against it. thou I've never played any of the other games in the series, so I can't speak for the fans, of course.
you inferred that this is how it was probably sold back in the day "white men will show up no matter what, let's expand our audience by including more people"...Are you saying were they just incorrect and white men would have never shown up no matter what?
Kacho
Gold Member
If a game is pushing identity politics we're probably not going to show up, yeah. Voting with your wallet isn't gatekeeping. People hate forced diversity, not diversity itself. There is a distinction there.
ThesaurusRex
Neo Member
Well let me just dispel any illusions. I enjoy it when art challenges me to be introspective about how I view society by way of metaphor. Dragon Age has been doing that for a while now. The Qunari have a very gendered society, but also have ways for people to cross typical gender divides. Based on what the article says, this seems to be additional exploration on that theme. I’m not so fragile that I can’t handle a discussion about how to fit in in a society that doesn’t understand you, even if the character having that discussion isn’t a straight guy like me. I would think that a hobby that was dominated by social outcasts for decades would be a good place for that conversation.
So if i a black creator...puts a white person in my creation is that also forced diversity? let's say the game takes place in a made up land in a made up time, there's talking dragons, purple people, you can double jump, die and shake it off like nothing happened.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Unfortunately you're correct.Bioware has had enough chances. This will have been three straight high budget games. At this point:
Kacho
Gold Member
You’re either daft or trolling.
Come on now...i'm attempting to understand this forced diversity i see often here...everyone seems to have their own take on it, it's a forever and conveniently moving target...what's your take?
Kacho
Gold Member
No you’re very obviously being disingenuous under the guise of “attempting to understand”. Be more subtle if you want to troll successfully.
Angry_Megalodon
Banned
Could we discuss particular cases? Each has a different explanation.
As a general rule, "forced diversity" happens when it breaks the lore/worldbuilding. This applies to races or "genders".
If in an isolated town there are people of many different identities, that's forced, because that place is isolated. Just an example.
In the case of DA, it's just that the authors self-insert in the story, which is peak forced diversity.
CrippledGod
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The Gamer writes a thousand articles per day. I am not giving then clicks for some random "assumption" based on a video that somebody made.
Honestly, online journalism today is a trash can of AI-generated clickbait.
Honestly, online journalism today is a trash can of AI-generated clickbait.
Dragon Age: The Veilguard Might Give Us Our First Non-Binary Companion
Taash from Dragon Age: The Veilguard might be non-binary, as the new companion has repeatedly been referred to with they/them pronouns.www.thegamer.com
This speculation is based around the director of the game intentionally using "they" when referring to Taash:
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Well there goes a potential buyer, fuck those weirdos
Dr.Morris79
Member
Yep. It's thee old 'I don't get it, explain it to me so I can say You're wrong' routine. Even though it's blatantly bloody obvious to all and sundry
Seems to be part and parcel of all this bunk we're seeing lately.
I don't troll, have more things to do...i'm not attempting to understand...i'm asking for YOUR take...you jumped in and answered like you were captain save a hoe...so if you want to talk then talk
SmurfMustard
Member
Man, some of you are so easily triggered and reek of insecurity. If this is just about a character in the game and they don't make me sit through a never-ending monologue full of pandering, I don't care what they think they are.
Game still looks fun to me and if the reviews won't paint a picture of mediocrity I'll play it.
Game still looks fun to me and if the reviews won't paint a picture of mediocrity I'll play it.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
No, that’s a pretty ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
More like, these activists will try to “fix” some existing IP by making it into something that they imagine will appeal to some new “modern audience” and end up making a big stinking turd that appeals to nobody.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Says a lot about your game if the most interesting thing you can point about it is that it has a non-binary character.
Well why is it forced if that place doesn't exist? why is the assumption that just because it's isolated it means 1 ethnicity is a universe where anything and everything goes...why is that particular thing the one thing that has to hold to reality but nothing else does?
Angry_Megalodon
Banned
Why does rain fall down instead of up?? The basic rules of how the world works apply to everything and everyone.
The idea of dark-skinned people in a land where there's no sun is fucking stupid; having many races in isolated villages is equally dumb. It's called worldbuilding. There's no good fiction without it. The"anything goes" is the trademark of awful, fake creators.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Places that don't exist can still have their stablished lore, plus seeing a medieval community full of different races like if it was fucking Manhatan is quite immersion breaking imo.
Imo The Elder Scrolls did this pretty well. Lots of different races, yet still everyone comes from it's own place and they are even racist towards one another. Makes the fantasy world more believable.
Then on the opposite side we have LOTR Rings of Power, with their little medieval communities full of different races and everyone being super nice to one another. Not only that but also stuff like black elves or elves with short hair that just goes to show how much the writters cared about the lore (that being, not at all).
I don't mind diversity in scy-fy settings because seeing multicultural communities in the future is quite believable. On medieval times? Not at all.
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Cyberpunkd
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I would rather learn about how they plan to advance storytelling and narrative in a cRPG.
Oh wait, it’s the same shit as DA:I ten years ago.
so where does the white men will come no matter what factor into your conclusion? how else is one suppose to interpret that other than it will not appeal to white men.
It's no more believable than elves lol...or talking dragons or magic...all i'm saying is if all that is believable then everything is. The moment someone double jumps in a video game or get hammered in the face with a broadsword but heals the next second...is the moment where logic is out the window.
Needlecrash
Member
Welp....Concord may not be the only disappointment this year.
Angry_Megalodon
Banned
I suspected the argument was in bad faith and now it's confirmed. My bad.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I’m not arguing that white men will show up no matter what. I’m saying that’s ONE of the underlying suppositions in these creators’ minds when they decide they’re going to “fix” something to appeal to the supposed modern audience.
Alright man you just went full retard. You know someone has an agenda when they say something this stupid. Welcome to the ignore list.
cool man!
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I only played a few hours of Anthem, but I vaguely remembered the only white man in the crew was some soy loser. I found out recently that he betrays everyone later on.
I’m anticipating that’s about the kind of “diversity” we’re going to see in this game.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
No it's not, and you are doing a diservice to the writters that actually care about the worlds they build when saying stuff like that.
Then apply that line of thinking to everything then...why can i double jump in a video game? there's gravity no? why can i fly? its video game forum so i'm specifically talking about games here...so in this universe i can double jump i can fly, i can do all of that without rhyme or reason more times than not. It's never explained but you gobble that up without fail... but when it comes to other people, that's when you say oh! world building matters!!!,,,i see it all the time...its the hallmark of the old and awfully insecure.
Lux R7
Member
Yeah, DAO in particular has some of the best companions in the genre, probably the best roster in my estimation
i think video games writers know they are writing for video games...they know a lot of things don't need to make sense,,,just has to make sense in the universe that they create there's a word for it. i forget atm..but it means anything can go.
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