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The General Star Trek Thread of Earl Grey Tea, Baseball, and KHHHAAAANNNN

It was definitely weird that Kim never got a promotion throughout the series. I never particularly disliked him during the run, in fact I quite liked his friendship with Paris (although having watched DS9 for the first time after Voyager it became obvious they were trying to recreate the magic that was O'Brian & Bashir).

O'Brian and Bashir didn't happen until well into the show, Paris and Kim were day 1 Voyager. Definitely not an attempt to copy.

They do kinda lampshade the point about Kim promotion in one episode when
Paris is promoted back to Lieutenant and Kim asks where his pin is.
 

nOoblet16

Member
Was rewatching some random TNG episodes and imo one of the most unique things I see in pre JJ Star Trek (mostly in TNG) that I didn't really think much of before is how they were not afraid to sometimes go totally low tech.

What I mean is that sometimes you'll have an episode set in the countryside, and despite the fact that it's 24th century with warp drives, transporters and what not it showed that these 24th century people still enjoyed spending time in a quaint cottage and walk around observing the nature and do things like tending a vineyard or a farm, as if they appreciate where they have come from and how far they have come. It kind of makes everything seem less fake and more real.
 
Oh come on....the Doctor just deleted his Cardassian Dr buddy because using any of his medical expertise would cross some moral line and now he's super giddy he found a borg medical instrument that he can use for surgery :/


One fun thing about Voyager is that while certain writers weren't the best about keeping track of shuttle craft or photon torpedeos or the like whomever was responsible for keeping track of crew compliment did a fantastic job. That number goes down and stays down with only a few notable exceptions!

lol the last few episodes it's gone from 125 to 150 to 152 to 141
 
Oh come on....the Doctor just deleted his Cardassian Dr buddy because using any of his medical expertise would cross some moral line and now he's super giddy he found a borg medical instrument that he can use for surgery :/
Borg assimilate new technology, they don't experiment on people to see what they can find.
 
Is the food in holodecks, replicated?

The episode with Seven trying to date was fun, kinda funny that the best characters on Voyager are a hologram and a borg lol


Borg assimilate new technology, they don't experiment on people to see what they can find.

Yeah but they basically destroy entire species doing it and the Cardasian was just a hologram...it just seemed odd to me that they would show the Doctor so ecstatic
 
Holodeck food and drink is inconsistent, seen episodes where it clearly is, but other times comments are made about such stuff not being real, which I guess is what happens when they share a meal with a hologram.

Seven's date was real stuff, but that was a date so I guess appropriate.
 
The original explanations were that it was a mixture of holographic and replicated items but that does tend to vary depending on who's writing. Shame its a bit inconsistent.
 
The star trek episode of futurama is so brilliant, shame it's getting taken off Netflix soon, I need to buy the entire series


I was watching a documentary called Unlocking the Cage:
https://www.unlockingthecagethefilm.com/

And it's uncanny how similar it was to Measure of a Man, with the lawyer basically trying to argue that caged chimpanzees have the right not to be considered property and therefore be caged.

That's pretty cool
 
Into season 6...

Equinox was such a waste of a two-parter, they would have been better off keeping the aliens as the evil ones and keeping Equinox around for a little while at least, maybe have them sacrifice the ship a few episodes later.

I'm glad they explored B'elannas backstory a little more, so far she's been the only one they haven't really explored.

I wish they would have kept some of tuvoks personality changes and not just turned him back into himself (It really is a theme with this show)

I just finished One Small Step and I really like it, it had a bittersweet ending and I liked Sevens reaction to everything going on. This is probably the first episode that'll leave me with a lasting impression (6 seasons in lol)
 
Watched Pathfinder, that was a good episode. I always wondered what the Federation was up to concerning Voyager, I know at first they'd just chalk it up to a loss but after they made contact I always wanted to know if they did more.
 

Cheerilee

Member
The Equinox crew just disappears too. It's like the Maquis all over again. lol

The Maquis had one episode where they were taught to fall in line and become good little Starfleet workers. And then one of them was namedropped in season seven, scrubbing Voyager's plasma conduits, aka the worst job in Starfleet, usually used as punishment.

The Equinox crew should be happy to fade into the Voyager crew and remain unnoticed and forgotten by Janeway.
 
Watched Pathfinder, that was a good episode. I always wondered what the Federation was up to concerning Voyager, I know at first they'd just chalk it up to a loss but after they made contact I always wanted to know if they did more.

Barclay becomes a hero. If you can consider bringing Janeway back home to be heroic.
 

jambo

Member
The Equinox crew just disappears too. It's like the Maquis all over again. lol

Apparently one of them, Crewman Brian Sofin, showed up in a Season 7 episode (Repentance), acting as a guard for Neelix.

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Yarbskoo

Member
Welp, I just saw Generations for the first time. It's not as bad as Final Frontier, I guess, but it's still bad. Bunch of plot points that go nowhere, bunch of returning characters that do nothing and die, and Data spent nearly the whole movie being intensely creepy.

Guess I'd better move on to Voyager now.
 
Shit, seeing these posts about the Equinox made me realize Titus Welliver is the XO / B'Ellana's friend. I've watched most of Bosch this year and quite liked it.
 

Askani

Member
I'm in the middle of my great Star Trek Rewatch.

TOS - Middle of season 2
TNG - I've seen each episode a billion times. Love it but I'm not doing it again.
DS9 - Just finished
VOY - Season 6
ENT - Middle of season 4
Movies - Seen all, rewatch after the episodes are done

Anyways...l did just finish DS9 tonight. During all the flashbacks of the the crew/people, there's no direct memory shots of Jadzia. None. I don't think she's even in the background of any. I found this oddly conspicuous. I would assume it's not that they didn't have license to use her image obviously...so I'm wondering if it was more a deliberate pettiness on the part of the editors/writers/crew/whatever because she left. Just felt very odd.
 
Holodeck episodes were a mistake, I have a hard time thinking of any really great ones.


Welp, I just saw Generations for the first time. It's not as bad as Final Frontier, I guess, but it's still bad. Bunch of plot points that go nowhere, bunch of returning characters that do nothing and die, and Data spent nearly the whole movie being intensely creepy.

Guess I'd better move on to Voyager now.

I liked Generations a little bit more than First Contact but in general the TNG movies are all pretty bad.
 
Let's see, my ordering for the movies be:

Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan
Star Trek: First Contact
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek
Star Trek: Generations
Star Trek: Nemesis
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek: Beyond
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek: Into Darkness
 

Sephzilla

Member
Movie rankings? Movie rankings
  1. Wrath of Khan
  2. Undiscovered Country
  3. First Contact
  4. Star Trek 2009
  5. Beyond
  6. Search for Spock
  7. Generations
  8. Voyage Home
  9. Motion Picture
  10. Into Darkness
  11. Final Frontier
  12. Insurrection
  13. Nemesis
I want to put Voyage Home lower because I think it's quietly one of the dumbest Trek movies, but man, those later TNG movies....
 

Walshicus

Member
Wrath of Khan
Voyage Home
Undiscovered Country
First Contact
Beyond
Search for Spock
2009
Final Frontier
Motion Picture
Insurrection
Generations
Into Darkness
Nemesis
 

Fuchsdh

Member
Great tier:
Wrath of Khan
Undiscovered Country
First Contact

Good tier:
Star Trek Beyond
Galaxy Quest
The Voyage Home
The Search for Spock

Okay tier:
Star Trek 09
The Motion Picture
Generations

Bad it's good tier
Final Frontier

Bad tier
Nemesis
Insurrection
Into Darkness
 
lol Galaxy Quest is such an awesome movie


Let me see...


Wrath of Khan
Search for Spock
2009
Beyond
Voyage Home
Undiscovered Country
Motion Picture
Generations
Into Darkness
First Contact
Final Frontier
Insurrection
Nemesis


Now that I'm near the end of Voyager (almost to season 7) I'm getting excited for Discovery....I really really hope it's good
 

Fuchsdh

Member
I think it's a good film for what it is, and hews enough to the Star Trek parody combined with some genuine heart that it does function as a Star Trek movie in its own right. What troubles me about Orville is it basically seems like it's trying to stretch Galaxy Quest from a movie into a series, and it strikes me as a proposition with rapidly diminishing returns.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
I think it's a good film for what it is, and hews enough to the Star Trek parody combined with some genuine heart that it does function as a Star Trek movie in its own right. What troubles me about Orville is it basically seems like it's trying to stretch Galaxy Quest from a movie into a series, and it strikes me as a proposition with rapidly diminishing returns.
I think it'll be like Son of Zorn. A gimmick premise that is basically an average long term idea.

Like, maybe it could be the next Red Dwarf, but I don't think American audiences want that and I'm not sure if American writers are smart enough to pull it off (considering the fact that Red Dwarf America, with Dax as the cat, didn't go anywhere. :p)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfJsViD9SjM
 

Fuchsdh

Member
I think it'll be like Son of Zorn. A gimmick premise that is basically an average long term idea.

Like, maybe it could be the next Red Dwarf, but I don't think American audiences want that and I'm not sure if American writers are smart enough to pull it off (considering the fact that Red Dwarf America, with Dax as the cat, didn't go anywhere. :p)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfJsViD9SjM

And Jane Leaves as Holly. Man, that would have been a weird show had it gone on to be produced. Wonder how that would have affected the UK version (and who they'd have gotten for Deep Space Nine.)
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
And Jane Leaves as Holly. Man, that would have been a weird show had it gone on to be produced. Wonder how that would have affected the UK version (and who they'd have gotten for Deep Space Nine.)
Grant Naylor took the break to go and try to make the US version, so I assume they would have just stayed in America if it had taken off and become a hit.
And yeah, I don't even know who the second choice for Dax would have been.
 

DrForester

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Wrath of Khan
Undiscovered Country
First Contact
Beyond
Galaxy Quest
2009
Voyage Home
Search for Spock
The Motion Picture
Insurrection
Generations
Final Frontier
Into Darkness
Nemesis
 
So hypothetically, Patrick Stewart didn't renew his contract at the end of Season 6 and left TNG. Jellico from Chain Of Command replaces him, because that was planned to be a thing if Stewart didn't renew his contract.

How different is Season 7? At the minimum, All Good Things... is pretty much thrown out the window.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
So hypothetically, Patrick Stewart didn't renew his contract at the end of Season 6 and left TNG. Jellico from Chain Of Command replaces him, because that was planned to be a thing if Stewart didn't renew his contract.

How different is Season 7? At the minimum, All Good Things... is pretty much thrown out the window.
There's basically 5-6 Picard-focused episodes, but only 2 of them deal with his actual character. I guess you could do All Good Things with a new captain and make it about humanity being tested rather than just the master toying with his favourite pet.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
The only major episode you lose is "Tapestry", really, and maybe pushing the finale to be more ensemble-focused.

But now I'm imagining Ronny Cox turning into a lemur creature for "Genesis" and it tickles my fancy.
 
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