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The Knick - Season 2 - Fridays on Cinemax
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Miles Quaritch
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Holy fuck at the last ten minutes. Just...holy fuck.
If there is going to be third season, I really hope to stick to what happened and don't just bring back Thack back. I know there's a temptation to do such a thing, but a timeskip with Birdie becoming someone like Thack would be preferable to me.
And I guess we got confirmation this episode that Algy's eye is completely fucked now thanks to Galliger. That motherfucking cunt...
If there is going to be third season, I really hope to stick to what happened and don't just bring back Thack back. I know there's a temptation to do such a thing, but a timeskip with Birdie becoming someone like Thack would be preferable to me.
And I guess we got confirmation this episode that Algy's eye is completely fucked now thanks to Galliger. That motherfucking cunt...
Maddocks
Member
I really hope there is at least 1 more season. I think Thack has earned a happy ending, of course his ending could be his own personal happy one, maybe he wanted to die.
I get that bad guys win sometimes, but a father killer? nah dawg I can't let that sly and of course we need Gallinger to become a nazi doctor because that seems to be the perfect place for him.
I get that bad guys win sometimes, but a father killer? nah dawg I can't let that sly and of course we need Gallinger to become a nazi doctor because that seems to be the perfect place for him.
brianjones
Member
fuck that was an awesome episode
not sure what people are talking about it getting too ridiculous .. nose chick dying clearly sent thack over the edge
best show on tv or streaming or whatever right now
not sure what people are talking about it getting too ridiculous .. nose chick dying clearly sent thack over the edge
best show on tv or streaming or whatever right now
theignoramus
Member
Yeah Edwards story arc give me a cold and empty feeling. That man got royally fucked and his tormentor was rewarded for it.
I think nobody complained about Thack's side of things, infact, it's basically what really saved it for me.
Henry's/Cornelia's was the worst part in my opinion.
Yeah the whole thing with Bertie suddenly adopting Thack's white shoes signals a passing of the baton. The show doesn't hinge on Clive Owen - the rest of the cast is very strong. Continue plz.
dead souls
Member
Get real. Without Owen the minuscule ratings would dwindle even further.
Thack's dead. The showrunners on The Knick official podcast flat-out said it.
Furthermore, there's little that could be done for him with a surgical laceration to the aorta, aside from clamping the artery, placing him in Trendelenburg, and attempting to use compression wraps to shunt blood to his core.
A detail I found intriguing was that no one intervened until after Thackery lost consciousness. Implied consent doesn't apply until after a patient loses consciousness. All of the physicians in the operating room abided by his wishes until he could no longer protest.
"This is it. This is all we are." It's a perfect end for Thackery. Of all of the surgical procedures, this was the most difficult to watch. Everything about the sequence was masterful.
Should the series have a third season ordered, I'd like to see Bertie take over Thack's position, Algernon continue forward with Thack's addiction ward and perhaps become a pioneer in psychiatry, and have new talent brought in to fill the void of Owen's departure from the series. The arcs of Barrow and Gallinger have come to a satisfactory conclusion, the former dying of cancer with all of his assets in Junia's possession and the latter departing to extol the "virtues" of Eugenics.
The Cornelia/Henry arc was the weakest part of this season. I understand the writers intended on keeping the audience from predicting Henry's involvement, but aside from Henry being obstinate and investing in the subway network, I didn't see that reveal as being earned.
Furthermore, there's little that could be done for him with a surgical laceration to the aorta, aside from clamping the artery, placing him in Trendelenburg, and attempting to use compression wraps to shunt blood to his core.
A detail I found intriguing was that no one intervened until after Thackery lost consciousness. Implied consent doesn't apply until after a patient loses consciousness. All of the physicians in the operating room abided by his wishes until he could no longer protest.
"This is it. This is all we are." It's a perfect end for Thackery. Of all of the surgical procedures, this was the most difficult to watch. Everything about the sequence was masterful.
Should the series have a third season ordered, I'd like to see Bertie take over Thack's position, Algernon continue forward with Thack's addiction ward and perhaps become a pioneer in psychiatry, and have new talent brought in to fill the void of Owen's departure from the series. The arcs of Barrow and Gallinger have come to a satisfactory conclusion, the former dying of cancer with all of his assets in Junia's possession and the latter departing to extol the "virtues" of Eugenics.
The Cornelia/Henry arc was the weakest part of this season. I understand the writers intended on keeping the audience from predicting Henry's involvement, but aside from Henry being obstinate and investing in the subway network, I didn't see that reveal as being earned.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
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Better arcs, but not as watchable and entertaining.
I don't disagree!
Welp.
Better arcs, but not as watchable and entertaining.
I don't disagree!
Welp.
They discuss Thack's surgery from 00:00 to 06:25.
One quote regarding Bertie trying to resuscitate Thack with Adrenalin:
"What I loved about it is that we set up this Adrenalin thing for the entire season, and people are going to be like, 'They're going to save our hero!', and it doesn't."
brianmcdoogle
Member
I'm fine if that is the finale. I'd rather it end there and Soderbergh go on to do something else that is great than have a potentially worse season involving new characters and elevating/changing current characters.
Few thoughts on the series then? I'm just going to spoiler them since I don't know the etiquette for this stuff.
Season 2 had more flaws and wasn't as polished and leisurely as Season 1, but it was still great television.
I wonder what Soderbergh does next. Does he keep doing one 10 episode season of television per year, or go back to two movies a year, or something else? Maybe split and do a mini-series and HBO/TV movie per year? I dunno. Glad he's still working.
Few thoughts on the series then? I'm just going to spoiler them since I don't know the etiquette for this stuff.
Nurse Elkins' turn in season 2 is too abrupt and out of character for me. And I didn't like the stuff with her father. She went from a fairly important character in season 1 to an almost incidental character in season 2. It seems odd.
Bertie's arc felt rushed or incomplete? Again, this is partly because of Elkins and Thackery's arcs, but also the new love interest not having much of anything to do despite being a potentially really interesting character. Also, Bertie isn't a compelling enough character to carry the show like Thackery did. And with everyone else now dispersed, it'd have to be almost an entirely new cast to keep things going for the show. And considering the writing to be the weakest link in the series, I don't think it can be pulled off successfully.
Cornelia was probably my favorite character. But, to go from tackling people to running away at the end feels, again, incomplete or rushed.
Henry was a bad guy from the beginning. He's has such a nice guy put-on, and he's into porn! Anyone into pornography is bad, people!! His turn wasn't so much "sudden" as it wasn't desperate enough for the character to do what he does; the money for the subway isn't enough of a motive to do all the ill he does.
Gallinger is great. He was a prideful jerk from beginning to end, and of course he's going to Germany to promote eugenics! Him getting into eugenics makes complete sense, but I still don't like the cartoonish kidnapping of Thackery and nearly killing the guy to become the hero during a surgery. And I'm happy he didn't get his comeuppance. bad guys win all the time. "Make the Knick great again!"
The Harriet and Cleary romance twist was really unsettling. Also, the confessional scene was probably my least favorite directed sequence in the entire series; I get what Soderbergh was going for, but I don't think he pulled it off. Either the camera needed to get progressively farther away as the confession went on, or he needed to find more interesting static angles, or something. Maybe just show static images of the saints in the church as the audience hears the confession to contrast things better? I dunno. Also, do they set up the fact that she was turned in by anyone? The friendship/romance develops nicely, but I never got the initial spark of the turn.
Barrow is going to die from radiation poisoning? Is that what is wrong with his hands? If so, I like that the stuff from season 1 paid off. Even though he "wins" at the end of the season, the audience knows it is a house of cards ready to topple at any second.
And, Thackery, I'm totally cool and really like that cocaine and his own hubris get him killed.
Bertie's arc felt rushed or incomplete? Again, this is partly because of Elkins and Thackery's arcs, but also the new love interest not having much of anything to do despite being a potentially really interesting character. Also, Bertie isn't a compelling enough character to carry the show like Thackery did. And with everyone else now dispersed, it'd have to be almost an entirely new cast to keep things going for the show. And considering the writing to be the weakest link in the series, I don't think it can be pulled off successfully.
Cornelia was probably my favorite character. But, to go from tackling people to running away at the end feels, again, incomplete or rushed.
Henry was a bad guy from the beginning. He's has such a nice guy put-on, and he's into porn! Anyone into pornography is bad, people!! His turn wasn't so much "sudden" as it wasn't desperate enough for the character to do what he does; the money for the subway isn't enough of a motive to do all the ill he does.
Gallinger is great. He was a prideful jerk from beginning to end, and of course he's going to Germany to promote eugenics! Him getting into eugenics makes complete sense, but I still don't like the cartoonish kidnapping of Thackery and nearly killing the guy to become the hero during a surgery. And I'm happy he didn't get his comeuppance. bad guys win all the time. "Make the Knick great again!"
The Harriet and Cleary romance twist was really unsettling. Also, the confessional scene was probably my least favorite directed sequence in the entire series; I get what Soderbergh was going for, but I don't think he pulled it off. Either the camera needed to get progressively farther away as the confession went on, or he needed to find more interesting static angles, or something. Maybe just show static images of the saints in the church as the audience hears the confession to contrast things better? I dunno. Also, do they set up the fact that she was turned in by anyone? The friendship/romance develops nicely, but I never got the initial spark of the turn.
Barrow is going to die from radiation poisoning? Is that what is wrong with his hands? If so, I like that the stuff from season 1 paid off. Even though he "wins" at the end of the season, the audience knows it is a house of cards ready to topple at any second.
And, Thackery, I'm totally cool and really like that cocaine and his own hubris get him killed.
Season 2 had more flaws and wasn't as polished and leisurely as Season 1, but it was still great television.
I wonder what Soderbergh does next. Does he keep doing one 10 episode season of television per year, or go back to two movies a year, or something else? Maybe split and do a mini-series and HBO/TV movie per year? I dunno. Glad he's still working.
univariate
Banned
Such a depressing finale. Thackerey's words (the episode title) have haunted me for a couple days.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
holy fuck. I had to look away so many times.
Wow. All the megatuns dropped in this one.
That was one of a finale to the show.
"The show must go on"
Wow. All the megatuns dropped in this one.
That was one of a finale to the show.
"The show must go on"
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Call me stubborn, or just thick-headed, but I'm not quite sure if I'm ready to believe that Thack is dead. I felt that there was enough ambiguity present in the editing, but also the language used by the characters to give some possibility that he lived after all. Yes, I know that podcast seemed to lean towards them saying he's gone, but I feel that given the state of things regarding Season 3, and that Owen seems to be down to continue, that they'll definitely bring him back. Plus, Bertie went and got the adrenaline, and they can't have it fail again after Abigail. If it did, then it would've been a total waste of time for all that effort they put into it this season if the only success was the rabbit. The cutting away as he plunged it into Thackery was to me, a big indicator that things might work out.
In regards to the quote:
Also, I don't think bringing him back would diminish the power of the finale necessarily. If he were to live, I think a close brush with death would likely give him a new outlook on life and his relation to people, possibly as a way to overcome Abigail's passing. I don't know, I'm just spit-balling here. I do think that they ended it in a way that would allow it to work as an end to the series, but to continue it without Thack would be unusual, and I don't think the other characters are interesting or dynamic enough to lead the series. Even though the others had some very engaging stories happening, Thackery was the catalyst for them, and his absence would leave a very big void in the overall narrative, IMO.
So yeah, I'm personally leaning towards them bringing him back. It'd be too weird without him, and there's definitely enough wiggle room to make it happen. Then again, I might be still bummed out that they ended the series on such a downer, and that I also might be hoping they give it another season to give something more hopeful to end the series on. After all, the series is about the birth of modern medicine.
EDIT: And I read the indiewire. Yep, he's dead.
In regards to the quote:
I'm inclined to believe he's talking about resolution, rather than the viewer literally seeing Thack come back to life. All we got was the sight of a clean and empty operating theater with Algernon speaking with Henry about owing Thack and continuing the addiction research.
Also, I don't think bringing him back would diminish the power of the finale necessarily. If he were to live, I think a close brush with death would likely give him a new outlook on life and his relation to people, possibly as a way to overcome Abigail's passing. I don't know, I'm just spit-balling here. I do think that they ended it in a way that would allow it to work as an end to the series, but to continue it without Thack would be unusual, and I don't think the other characters are interesting or dynamic enough to lead the series. Even though the others had some very engaging stories happening, Thackery was the catalyst for them, and his absence would leave a very big void in the overall narrative, IMO.
So yeah, I'm personally leaning towards them bringing him back. It'd be too weird without him, and there's definitely enough wiggle room to make it happen. Then again, I might be still bummed out that they ended the series on such a downer, and that I also might be hoping they give it another season to give something more hopeful to end the series on. After all, the series is about the birth of modern medicine.
EDIT: And I read the indiewire. Yep, he's dead.
The Illiterati
Member
What a great episode. I hope its the last. There's no reason for it to continue as is, and it would simply dull the impact of a completely ballsy move. End it on an artistic high note!
I wouldn't mind another season and if they decide not do another season that's fine as well. The ending concluded almost everyone's storyarc. I did like the imagery of Bertie wearing Thack's white shoes during surgery, he's pretty much his successor which is cool because I really like Bertie. Thack performing surgery on himself was insane, him grabbing his own intestines was gross as hell. Algernon starting Psychology was well done, felt natural.
Solid season finale.
Solid season finale.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
great freaking show.
clive owen is the forever boss.
clive owen is the forever boss.
Discotheque
Banned
i leave this show with soderbergh, if it continues and he doesn't move forward with it i might stop watching (no disrespect to the writers or all the great actors in here but i really loved the experiment of it being like a long miniseries more or less)
god damn that finale was chilling. and for the love of god get clive owen in a good movie again, he reminded us just how much of a scene-stealer he is in this series.
god damn that finale was chilling. and for the love of god get clive owen in a good movie again, he reminded us just how much of a scene-stealer he is in this series.
I'm torn. Part of me understands that this would be a fitting end to the whole thing, but another part of me thinks it would be criminal to only get two seasons out of such a great setting and such brilliant characters.
I got chills when Barrow mentioned the 'dozens' of x-rays he'd had. I know he's a scumbag, but damn.
I got chills when Barrow mentioned the 'dozens' of x-rays he'd had. I know he's a scumbag, but damn.
Great finale. It was cool to see Bertie running for the adrenaline. I actually expected he would've done that in episode 8 already for Abigail.
But if I understand correctly, there's a higher chance of this being the series finale instead of just being a season finale? I think it'd be a fitting end to the series, but I'm definitely interested in more.
Also, Cornelia has a beautiful voice.
But if I understand correctly, there's a higher chance of this being the series finale instead of just being a season finale? I think it'd be a fitting end to the series, but I'm definitely interested in more.
Also, Cornelia has a beautiful voice.
Sacrosanct.
theignoramus
Member
That whole self surgery scene was psychological violence. Gruesome stuff.
That's both scary and exciting.
Lumpy Onion
Member
I loved the scene with Barrows pestering Thackery as they walked the halls of the Knick. His "bully for you" to dismiss him bragging about his stupid club membership was priceless.
I always thought Cleary had a heart of gold, but that was a pretty fucked up thing up do.
Anyway if that's the end of the series or the season it's great either way.
I always thought Cleary had a heart of gold, but that was a pretty fucked up thing up do.
Anyway if that's the end of the series or the season it's great either way.
That actually sounds pretty interesting.
univariate
Banned
It would be amazing if we got a 3rd season. I'd like a more cohesive plot, though.
univariate
Banned
oh and fuck cleary.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Uh. Hm. That's, uh. Hm.
Okay. I really don't want Soderbergh to go, but if they're playing this as a (potential) 2 year anthology series, then that's interesting. A 'Knick' with a completely different visual style (one that isn't trying to ape Soderbergh's) and score (one that isn't trying to ape Martinez') could be really exciting.
biosnake20
Member
The Knick as a semi-anthology sounds pretty interesting.
They should do a mini time jump to accompany whatever visual and soundtrack changes come with a next season. Might make the transition to a new style more natural. Maybe to when Bertie is more seasoned.
The Illiterati
Member
While the idea for future seasons is interesting, I don't get why a random high quality director would want to jump aboard this specific creation detailing obsolete medical practices.
Wouldn't they rather create their own show?
Wouldn't they rather create their own show?
What if the other seasons are not at the same period ?
At least that season finale, to me, felt like definitive closure for all those characters.
The Illiterati
Member
I agree, but you're essentially saying there will be nothing the same besides the name and the two writers. Unless the director has an inherent desire for the subject, it seems kind of pointless it me.
RadioHeadAche
Member
Well, I at least felt satisfied with the end of Soderbergh's run.
Lamiafusion
Member
I fully expect Thack to show up in flashbacks for next season but yeah...goodnight sweet prince
I feel like it's a weird problem for the show to have its title as I don't see everyone being trapped in the hospital.
I feel like it's a weird problem for the show to have its title as I don't see everyone being trapped in the hospital.
theignoramus
Member
This is awesome.
Editing notes between Soderbergh and Cinemax on S2.
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...0151222?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
My interest in the series will be HIGHLY dependent on who replaces SS for season 3 and 4.
Look at TD season 2. It's easy to completely fuck a show up.
Editing notes between Soderbergh and Cinemax on S2.
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...0151222?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
My interest in the series will be HIGHLY dependent on who replaces SS for season 3 and 4.
Look at TD season 2. It's easy to completely fuck a show up.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
megamerican
Member
I've never been more impressed than I was by the debut season of The Knick. Season two was a lot more uneven, too many pointless plot threads and bizarre character shifts, yet its finale was probably the best episode of the show. An amazingly ballsy finale, and a perfect sendoff for Thackery.
I have serious doubts about whether the show will be back. The ratings were never really there, and without Soderbergh and Owen there is really nothing left but a very loose concept and somewhat suspect writing.
I have serious doubts about whether the show will be back. The ratings were never really there, and without Soderbergh and Owen there is really nothing left but a very loose concept and somewhat suspect writing.
I've had time to let the finale sink in and I love it even more. It left me feeling blank, cold, and sad. Thackery's line "this is all we are," will haunt me for a long time. I'd be content without a season three as the show ended on a good note. Sure, there's some loose ends, but we saw the completion of their story to a degree: Cornelia going away from her dangerous brother; Cleary and Harriet together (based on a lie); Barrow giving away everything to his new gal pal.
That surgery was the only surgery that made me want to look away, but I didn't. That soundtrack is just so so good.
I'm a bit under the weather so excuse the rambling.
That surgery was the only surgery that made me want to look away, but I didn't. That soundtrack is just so so good.
I'm a bit under the weather so excuse the rambling.