theignoramus
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I think the show might be going overboard with the amount of physical and mental abuse they put Edwards and other characters through.
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The Knick - Season 2 - Fridays on Cinemax
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Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
So who do you think was behind the fire? Henry or Barrow? Or maybe both? I had a feeling Henry was behind this whole shipping conspiracy, he seemed desperate enough. I suppose it points towards Henry since he had them meet there. Talk about shitty.
Henry conveniently late to the important meeting.
The brother just tired to off his own father and sister.
Fire is scary yo....
theignoramus
Member
Henry hasn't shown any indication of a homicidal streak thus far and he loves his sister.
gotta be Barrow...he's the only one of the two who has shown a capacity to commit murder.
It could have been Hobart Showalter as well.
gotta be Barrow...he's the only one of the two who has shown a capacity to commit murder.
It could have been Hobart Showalter as well.
I'm assuming Barrow set the fire, that's more his style, but I can't be 100% about any of it. I'm really not sure what plan Henry had for that night. I mean, August Robertson seemed sincerely flabbergasted about the immigration fraud, and while he'll readily admit to certain financial problems, we've never seen him display any real worry or desperation over it. We certainly have seen Henry get pretty anxious over what Cornelia uncovered, and over his pressing debts and investment faults. But I can't figure out what Henry thought would happen that night, unless he really is so desperate that he'd kill his sister and father to try to alleviate some of his problems. If he didn't set the fire but is behind the immigration scam, what did he think would happen after Cornelia (with or without him) spoke to their father?
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
It is quite the mystery. Did Barrow's arson serendipitously cover up Henry's immigration scheme? Or was there some kind of collusion between them? Papa Robertson seemed pretty sincere when Cornelia confronted him. This entire thing benefits both Henry and Barrow, assuming that Henry really is behind the conspiracy
theignoramus
Member
That scene with the Barrows though.
and Lucy Elkins, sheesh. At least the beaten down women on the show got some satisfaction.
and Lucy Elkins, sheesh. At least the beaten down women on the show got some satisfaction.
I'm curious how Gallinger knew about Edwards' eye? Maybe he deduced it on his own or overheard it from the others in the know? I'm hoping Thackery will get his groove back and retry the eye operation from earlier this season. I will agree, sometimes it get frustrating seeing Edwards constantly abused and get shit on for an hour. I know it's 1900, and he's a doctor in an overwhelmingly white field, but it's hard to keep hope up when he's always getting belittled and humiliated. I just hope they'll end the season on a better note for him, this just hasn't been his year.
I just hope we'll see Zinberg again next episode, he's one of my favorite side-characters.
I just hope we'll see Zinberg again next episode, he's one of my favorite side-characters.
theignoramus
Member
I assume Gallinger knows about Edwards eye because Algie started wearing glasses during surgical procedures.
I notice some people thought the scene between Gallinger and the detective meant Eleanor Gallinger didnt poison Cotton after all, but its clear that she did use the rat poison on him-the detective mentions the Cotton sons had only just started poisoning Cotton sr. with arsenic and were surprised by the swiftness of his demise.
I notice some people thought the scene between Gallinger and the detective meant Eleanor Gallinger didnt poison Cotton after all, but its clear that she did use the rat poison on him-the detective mentions the Cotton sons had only just started poisoning Cotton sr. with arsenic and were surprised by the swiftness of his demise.
Yeah me too. I can't decide if I like the fact that they are totally irredeemable cunts or not. In some ways I think it's ballsy for a smartish show to not be tempted to humanize the bad guys so as to avoid being called out for not having depth. It's more real to just have the occasional person who really is just rotten and mean spirited to the core.
Edwards hasn't been super serective around the workplace with his ailment. Gallinger also isn't a complete moron. He would be in the top three GOP candidates this year without a doubt!
I don't see the hate for Barrow. He has been a quite consistent subplot.
They must've be saving Gallinger's reckoning for the finale. They can't leave him with a happy ending. He's been allowed to roam free for so long I predict he gets straight murked.
And Henry acted super suspicious the first time his sister came to him with her discoveries, so I believe him to be the real villain. But honestly I'm not entirely sure who set the fire here, him or Barrow. I can't believe Henry is capable of killing his own family like that. Seems too much.
And I have to ask, does dousing your dick with cocaine actually do anything for you? Seems ridiculous.
And Henry acted super suspicious the first time his sister came to him with her discoveries, so I believe him to be the real villain. But honestly I'm not entirely sure who set the fire here, him or Barrow. I can't believe Henry is capable of killing his own family like that. Seems too much.
And I have to ask, does dousing your dick with cocaine actually do anything for you? Seems ridiculous.
He doused his dick in cocaine for Lucy. As we saw last season, she completely lit up when he poured cocaine into vagina. With the nerve endings and all.
Not so much nerve endings, but moreso because its a mucous membrane, no different than the nasal mucosa, gums, or rectum. Quick absorption.
source: 4th year med student
wait for the character or for his plotline? cause the character is kinda despicable.
A bit of both. If the character remains interesting, I'm on board. I don't tend to hate characters on programs like some people do.
theignoramus
Member
Last time we saw her she was promising Algie things were going to get "much, much better"
Now hes probably half fucking blind.
As for "the good knight Gallinger" I dont think Thack or Bertie will stand for him blinding the deputy chief of surgery, even a black one, with a sucker punch. I think hes made himself a pariah at the hospital now, this is like the third fucking time hes physically attacked Edwards.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
man, Barrow desperation is ugly
Gallanger's on the fast lane, the crash will be SPECTACULAR... i hope
Gallanger's on the fast lane, the crash will be SPECTACULAR... i hope
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
thack just blew dried smallpox scabs up their noses :x
Seriously, something bad has to happen to Gallinger. I lay in bed at night imagining the various ways to utterly destroy him. Edwards needs to do the same and see it through. I'm actually willing to give up the awesomeness of Edwards if it means something awful happening to Gallinger in the process. We'll all understand. It would be for the greater good.
brianmcdoogle
Member
Why are you guys being so hard on Gallinger? I mean, who hasn't wanted to sterilize foreign children? Make the Knick great again!
Anyway, I don't want a swift reckoning for Gallinger. I want it to be slow. I want everything around him to crumble before the final blow.
Anyway, I don't want a swift reckoning for Gallinger. I want it to be slow. I want everything around him to crumble before the final blow.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Some really over the top developments this week re: Lucy killing her father while explicitly detailing all of her "deviant" sexual exploits, followed by the new hospital burning down with Cornelia's father inside. Still, a pretty good episode.
Damn Barrow is one cold son of a bitch. "How's that as a surprise?" Ice cold!
Elkins was just informing her father about the golden lotus. Her father wants to be hip and in the know. What a way to go though.
I didn't even suspect Barrow as the culprit, but it makes sense. My first thought it was Henry that did it. Which means did he intend to take out Cornielia as well? Hope not, though she was trying to get in the way of Henkins (Henry and Elkins).
Elkins was just informing her father about the golden lotus. Her father wants to be hip and in the know. What a way to go though.
I didn't even suspect Barrow as the culprit, but it makes sense. My first thought it was Henry that did it. Which means did he intend to take out Cornielia as well? Hope not, though she was trying to get in the way of Henkins (Henry and Elkins).
captjohnboyd
Member
I think the revelation that Gallinger's wife "didn't" poison the Quack doctor is actually just that; that she didn't. It signifies another low that this man will stoop to to get what he wants. In that moment I think (great acting by him by the way) his face said it all
"Oh my god my wife really didn't try to poison him and now I've gone and put her in an asylum for the rest of her life!"
"ah well, better go home and fuck her sister after starting the race war"
There was definitely a moment of clarity there for Gallinger when the cop explained. However brief, a shadow of his former good self popped up and he promptly shoved it back down again.
If you recall right as his wife was being sent away she started to recant her story and said that she didn't think it was right and something was wrong. In my mind her sister probably made her believe she did it. that girl is fine but she be scheming
"Oh my god my wife really didn't try to poison him and now I've gone and put her in an asylum for the rest of her life!"
"ah well, better go home and fuck her sister after starting the race war"
There was definitely a moment of clarity there for Gallinger when the cop explained. However brief, a shadow of his former good self popped up and he promptly shoved it back down again.
If you recall right as his wife was being sent away she started to recant her story and said that she didn't think it was right and something was wrong. In my mind her sister probably made her believe she did it. that girl is fine but she be scheming
I think you're reading too much into Gallinger being relieved that he, directly or indirectly, was no longer under any suspicion.
Cotton began feeling ill while actually at the Gallinger residence for that dinner, and Eleanor immediately claimed she did itonce the detective arrived and she went to prep the tea. We can be pretty confident Gallinger didn't do it himself given his various reactions to the detective and Eleanor. The only way for Dorothy to have been able to falsely make Eleanor believe that she was the perpetrator of Cotton's death is if she knew about the poison before the detective arrived. In that case, you have to believe either Dorothy did the poisoning herself, or planted the idea within Eleanor.
I don't think we've seen evidence that Eleanor's mental illness made her particularly susceptible to external influence, so I'm inclined to believe the simplest explanation, that Eleanor did it all on her own accord. Gallinger lucks out with the detective writing off Cotton's sons as having screwed up their arsenic dosing and accidentally murdering him far sooner than should have happened.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
That's the conclusion that I came to about the poisoning as well. Not that Eleanor was innocent, but that the police just discovered Cotton's children (who had equal motive) were doing the same thing before the trail lead to the Gallingers. The methods were the same, and are equally accessible for the average person of the era.
I think the takeaway is that Gallinger just doesn't care that he can have Eleanor back when he can tradeup for her younger sister. The sister is his path to a fresh start. He can take her to functions and not worry about her appearance or fragile mental state reflecting poorly on him.
mysocksarepink
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Any word on season 3?
umop_3pisdn
Member
It was really over the top. I'm now expecting Barrow setting the fire to be a red herring, and Henry is going to grow a moustache to twirl at any moment. That would be roughly in line with Lucy's speech this episode in terms of schlockiness.
I'd say it's a safe bet either way. I think SS's interest is the primary factor here.
Yeah I think Steve's involvement with the show will buy it a longer run than it would otherwise be afforded.
captjohnboyd
Member
Perhaps I was reading too much into it but I should clarify that I never got the impression the Gallinger was worried about his own guilt in the matter (at least any more than the usual person) more what it said about his character that he moved on so quickly. I think we can all agree that that was the moment he realized he was free to no longer think about his wife and to make the fresh start fucking her devious sister
Lucy is going to the bad side a little too quickly. Her father was a douchebag but still, what she did was just plain evil and not really in her character.
theignoramus
Member
I got the feeling her father had beaten her her whole life, and used Christian puritanical ideals as his moral justification.
So seeing her tormentor exposed as a hypocrite who didn't live by the ideals and values he evangelized was the last straw.
I'm not sure what she did was pure evil either, the man was in a state of paralysis with no hope of recovery. Letting him die was a mercy. It was her lurid sexual anecdotes that made it an act of malice,not the killing itself.
Gah, that's what I get for thinking I'm caught up on the show and coming into this thread looking for season three news. Something to watch tonight though!
Robertson's death was possibly the most forced bullshit in the show yet.
Not only was it very convenient (like, to Breaking Bad levels) but also, there were about a million ways he could've saved himself from that situation, to the point were the only explanation i'll accept is that he faked his death and went to live to Hawaii or something.
Also, Gallinger's fist fight thing was verting on his evil cartoon persona a bit too much there, might want to reel it back in a notch or two.
I liked Elkins' scene and Thack's though.
Also, can't wait to see Barrow try to get money out of this little plan of his, lol, hopefully they find out right then and there that it was him to start the fire.
Not only was it very convenient (like, to Breaking Bad levels) but also, there were about a million ways he could've saved himself from that situation, to the point were the only explanation i'll accept is that he faked his death and went to live to Hawaii or something.
Also, Gallinger's fist fight thing was verting on his evil cartoon persona a bit too much there, might want to reel it back in a notch or two.
I liked Elkins' scene and Thack's though.
Also, can't wait to see Barrow try to get money out of this little plan of his, lol, hopefully they find out right then and there that it was him to start the fire.
Glad to see The Knick getting some nominations at the Critics Choice Awards.
Lamel
Banned
You thought that gallinger was too cartoon-evil with the punch but Elkins scene was good?
Elkins killing her dad is totally out of character.
Thanks for the correction!
Also, I didn't know Lucy actually killed her dad. I just thought she gave him a dose of Cocaine so he could "enjoy the trip".
I didn't say it was good, I said I liked it, as in I enjoyed it even if it wasn't a good scene that made too much sense for the character (well, everything but the killing did, actually).
Whereas Gallinger scene was a further repetition of what we've seen him do for two seasons, so having him sucker punch Edwards was sort of a boring scene, on top of not being good.
Plus, Gallinger getting another win can't possibly be satisfying, whereas seeing Elkins carve her own space is.
But yeah, the killing was unneeded drama.
So far, this season has had quite a few unearned deaths.
Bertie's mother's probably being the only one that really hit a home run (and pervy doctor's, of course).
I wasn't super sure either, maybe I missed something though.
She does say " before you go" but it could've been a more general time frame (he isn't getting any better).
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Yeah, I was wondering why he didn't just drop down the same place Cornelia did. He probably would have broken his legs but at least he would have had a better chance than jumping from the second floor. (unless he really was guilty and just wanted to die)