UK charts: DmC launch sales are just a third of Devil May Cry 4's

I personally think that the low sales came down to it being just an unnecessary and unwarranted reboot that didnt advance the series in any significant manner. Maybe a fresh coat of paint wouldn't hurt HUGE series like Mario, Zelda and Resident Evil, but DMC was never a huge series, it is more of a cult hit that has its own cult fanbase. Piss them off and they won't buy your new game. If DMC5 came out I highly doubt these numbers would be this low.
 
Host Samurai said:
I personally think that the low sales came down to it being just an unnecessary and unwarranted reboot that didnt advance the series in any significant manner. Maybe a fresh coat of paint wouldn't hurt HUGE series like Mario, Zelda and Resident Evil, but DMC was never a huge series, it is more of a cult hit that has its own cult fanbase. Piss them off and they won't buy your new game. If DMC5 came out I highly doubt these numbers would be this low.
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Wow, someone gets it.
 
I, for one, revel in Ninja Theory's failure. I do not care if DmC: Devil May Cry was a good game, but I don't think that Ninja Theory deserves to be successful with this game.

Devil May Cry isn't Resident Evil, it is nearly as mainstream. It is a series driven and supported by its devoted fanbase. To be given a franchise like this, and proceed to tell the fans of said franchise that your vision for the character is superior, and theirs is outdated ('Trust us, we know what you want') is ... well, I don't agree with it.

Here's the comparison I used. When MGR: Revengeance was announced, many people bemoaned the change in direction. 'Where's the stealth', 'It's a generic action game now', 'This isn't Metal Gear Solid'. Platinum Games could have responded by saying "Hey, stealth isn't what we do and it's boring. Look, what we are doing is going to be better than what you have seen from the franchise previously". What did they infact do? "Look, here's some gameplay showing elements of stealth", "The cardboard box is still here". They tried something new but still revered the original franchise; DmC spat in the face of the series and boasted itself as superior. "Lol, Dante would be laughed out of a bar", "Nah, you don't need 60fps", "Our story is going to redefine the possibilities of the genre"

I hope Capcom look at this and assess what they should do in the future. In attempting to reach the mainstream audience, they have ignored their true fans. That mainstream audience, however, will just as easily go for Ninja Gaiden of MGR: Revengeance. Making a great game for their fans, and expanding their fanbase, should be their priority.
 
Alienous said:
I, for one, revel in Ninja Theory's failure. I do not care if DmC: Devil May Cry was a good game, but I don't think that Ninja Theory deserves to be successful with this game.

Devil May Cry isn't Resident Evil, it is nearly as mainstream. It is a series driven and supported by its devoted fanbase. To be given a franchise like this, and proceed to tell the fans of said franchise that your vision for the character is superior, and theirs is outdated ('Trust us, we know what you want') is ... well, I don't agree with it.

Here's the comparison I used. When MGR: Revengeance was announced, many people bemoaned the change in direction. 'Where's the stealth', 'It's a generic action game now', 'This isn't Metal Gear Solid'. Platinum Games could have responded by saying "Hey, stealth isn't what we do and it's boring. Look, what we are doing is going to be better than what you have seen from the franchise previously". What did they infact do? "Look, here's some gameplay showing elements of stealth", "The cardboard box is still here". They tried something new but still revered the original franchise; DmC spat in the face of the series and boasted itself as superior. "Lol, Dante would be laughed out of a bar", "Nah, you don't need 60fps", "Our story is going to redefine the possibilities of the genre"

I hope Capcom look at this and assess what they should do in the future. In attempting to reach the mainstream audience, they have ignored their true fans. That mainstream audience, however, will just as easily go for Ninja Gaiden of MGR: Revengeance. Making a great game for their fans, and expanding their fanbase, should be their priority.
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It's opinions like this that caused me to throw down $60 for a preorder just out of spite for this kind of immature attitude. It's an extra bonus that the game is awesome.
 
Host Samurai said:
I personally think that the low sales came down to it being just an unnecessary and unwarranted reboot that didnt advance the series in any significant manner. Maybe a fresh coat of paint wouldn't hurt HUGE series like Mario, Zelda and Resident Evil, but DMC was never a huge series, it is more of a cult hit that has its own cult fanbase. Piss them off and they won't buy your new game. If DMC5 came out I highly doubt these numbers would be this low.
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so ninja gaiden 3 2.0
 
nbthedude said:
It's opinions like this that caused me to throw down $60 for a preorder just out of spite for this kind of immature attitude. It's an extra bonus that the game is awesome.
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Obviously people of your... dedication were few and far between given the sales so far.
 
TBF let's be honest here Ninja theory was stuck between a rock a hard place, Capcom didn't want the same old DMC so it had to be a signiificant change so, it was either not take the contract/money or deal with the fury of the DMC fanabase. As shown by the reaction to intial trailer any sort of significant change was going to be met badly. So regardless of how they acted I doubt the fan reaction would be much different at the very least the sales probably won't be. Now I'm not saying they didn't deserve any bashing they got due to various comments they may have made, and if they did they definately deserved it. But lets be honest here. They were going to get an F you from the fanbase anyway. They just wanted the work.

I find it difficult not to relate in that situation
 
InfiniDragon said:
Gonna hope you mean the PS3/360 one, because Razor's Edge was a vast improvement and better than DmC.
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Unless the gameplay and the enemies for NG3 have changed I wouldn't think NG3 is better than DmC. I've played NG3 and have yet to play RE so I can't say RE is better than DmC or vice versa but I would assume RE is still at its core NG3.
 
Principate said:
TBF let's be honest here Ninja theory was stuck between a rock a hard place, Capcom didn't want the same old DMC so it had to be a signiificant change so, it was either not take the contract/money or deal with the fury of the DMC fanabase. As shown by the reaction to intial trailer any sort of significant change was going to be met badly. So regardless of how they acted I doubt the fan reaction would be much different at the very least the sales probably won't be. Now I'm not saying they didn't deserve any bashing they got due to various comments they may have made, and if they did they definately deserved it. But lets be honest here. They were going to get an F you from the fanbase anyway. They just wanted the work.

I find it difficult not to relate in that situation
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Alienous: *Takes a drag from cigarette* I don't care.
 
kayos90 said:
Unless the gameplay and the enemies for NG3 have changed I wouldn't think NG3 is better than DmC. I've played NG3 and have yet to play RE so I can't say RE is better than DmC or vice versa but I would assume RE is still at its core NG3.
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You'd assume wrong, it's waaaayyy more like 2 than the original 3.
 
nbthedude said:
It's opinions like this that caused me to throw down $60 for a preorder just out of spite for this kind of immature attitude. It's an extra bonus that the game is awesome.
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I find his opinion pretty mature personally, since it is backed by reasons that can be easily considered valid to hold it.
It is also stated in a pretty civil way, which help seeing it in a good light.

Then again, I don't think that someone wanting a game to bomb is pathetic, given he/she has good enough reasons to back it up.
 
Alienous said:
I, for one, revel in Ninja Theory's failure. I do not care if DmC: Devil May Cry was a good game, but I don't think that Ninja Theory deserves to be successful with this game.
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I think good games deserve to be successful and it should only be as simple as that.
 
Alienous said:
I, for one, revel in Ninja Theory's failure. I do not care if DmC: Devil May Cry was a good game, but I don't think that Ninja Theory deserves to be successful with this game.
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I'm so happy that DmC is fun as hell. I'm gonna double dip on the PC version just because its so good. Good games deserve support and I'm happy to oblige. Your attitude about the whole thing is disgusting and childish.

InfiniDragon said:
Gonna hope you mean the PS3/360 one, because Razor's Edge was a vast improvement and better than DmC.
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while razor's edge it is way better than 3, I think as a whole dmc is better than razor's edge.
 
Have Capcom set expectations for this game because either they if DmC does reach them Capcom was completely bullshitting when they said they were going for this game to beat DMC4.
 
metalslimer said:
Have Capcom set expectations for this game because either they if DmC does reach them Capcom was completely bullshitting when they said they were going for this game to beat DMC4.
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Like I said expectations for this are 2 million well below DMC 4 so even they believed this was going to sell worse. Which was why I guessed they were aiming for DmC 2 sales.
 
kayos90 said:
Unless the gameplay and the enemies for NG3 have changed I wouldn't think NG3 is better than DmC. I've played NG3 and have yet to play RE so I can't say RE is better than DmC or vice versa but I would assume RE is still at its core NG3.
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which at its core is still NG2 with a bunch of silly shit on top.

I doubt RE could ever come close to DmC overall

but it has far more content and I can see why people would prefer it.

Going by NG3, Master ninja alone will provide more challenge than SOS and DMD combined...frustrating challenge, but challenge nevertheless.

Then you have Ultimate ninja, which I haven't come close to beating after having the game for 7 months now.
 
Host Samurai said:
I personally think that the low sales came down to it being just an unnecessary and unwarranted reboot that didnt advance the series in any significant manner. Maybe a fresh coat of paint wouldn't hurt HUGE series like Mario, Zelda and Resident Evil, but DMC was never a huge series, it is more of a cult hit that has its own cult fanbase. Piss them off and they won't buy your new game. If DMC5 came out I highly doubt these numbers would be this low.
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This. 100%

call_kotaku said:
Keep in mind that this game hasn't bombed yet and Capcom hasn't expressed one way or the other about how sales would affect the future of the franchise. The more fans want this game to fail, the more Capcom will blame them if it does fail, and Capcom will probably double down against pressure regardless.

Basically, the more we don't want a DmC2 the more likely we are to get one, probably.
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Maybe, but i'm just going to vote with my wallet and leave it at that. Honestly i see no reason whatsoever for this game to be called Devil May Cry at all. Other than certain characters and weapons sharing names with the old series, it doesn't seem like a DMC game to me. (Not to mention the story that people bragged was going to be so much better than the old series. It was basically "They Live" as written by a foul mouth 12 year old.)You could slap any name on it. Why did they not just make a new IP? Doesn't even play that much like a DMC game to me, the whole Demon angel stance and certain weapons for certain enemies. That's closer to Heavenly Sword than the old series. This is a more competent Heavenly Sword the a DMC game.

As long as this is the direction the series goes in, count me out. I can move onto MGR and Bayonetta 2.
 
Pein said:
I'm so happy that DmC is fun as hell. I'm gonna double dip on the PC version just because its so good. Good games deserve support and I'm happy to oblige. Your attitude about the whole thing is disgusting and childish.
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I understand your point, but I still disagree. You're making the assumption that DMC5, or even a DMC game from a different developer, wouldn't or couldn't be better than DmC. I'm glad you enjoy it, as ultimately that is what gaming is about. And whilst gaming politics doesn't sway my opinion on buying a game I'd enjoy, it does change my opinion of the developers and publishers of the industry. In the same way people root against Call of Duty for stagnating an entire genre, I root against DmC for what it represents. 'You fans aren't an important enough demographic for us, and we think we could sell more if we cut our ties with you'. I don't know, perhaps you are alright with this, but seeing this 'fail' gives me hope that future franchises aren't changed in order to appeal to a greater audience, but to simply make a better game (at which point, new fans will be gained). It gives me hope that gamers are willing to make their voices heard by not elevating a games status simply because there isn't an alternative choice. And, ultimately, it gives me hope that publishers can stay faithful to their fans, knowing that those are the people who will make the game a viable venture.
 
ThoughtsOfSpeaking said:
which at its core is still NG2 with a bunch of silly shit on top.

I doubt RE could ever come close to dmc overall

but it has far more content and I can see why people would prefer it.
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Well... even at its core I would say that NG3 is NG2's core but crappified.

But yes, what you said is also true. lol.
 
Keep in mind that this game hasn't bombed yet and Capcom hasn't expressed one way or the other about how sales would affect the future of the franchise. The more fans want this game to fail, the more Capcom will blame them if it does fail, and Capcom will probably double down against pressure regardless.

Basically, the more we don't want a DmC2 the more likely we are to get one, probably.
 
Alienous said:
I understand your point, but I still disagree. You're making the assumption that DMC5, or even a DMC game from a different developer, wouldn't or couldn't be better than DmC. I'm glad you enjoy it, as ultimately that is what gaming is about. And whilst gaming politics doesn't sway my opinion on buying a game I'd enjoy, it does change my opinion of the developers and publishers of the industry. In the same way people root against Call of Duty for stagnating an entire genre, I root against DmC for what it represents. 'You fans aren't an important enough demographic for us, and we think we could sell more if we cut our ties with you'. I don't know, perhaps you are alright with this, but seeing this 'fail' gives me hope that future franchises aren't changed in order to appeal to a greater audience, but to simply make a better game (at which point, new fans will be gained). It gives me hope that gamers are willing to make their voices heard by not elevating a games status simply because there isn't an alternative choice. And, ultimately, it gives me hope that publishers can stay faithful to their fans, knowing that those are the people who will make the game a viable venture.
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It's the fact that if it was an original property we'd see something better from Ninja Theory than DmC (I mean I love the visuals, but balanced around 60fps is my minimum requirement), and since we wouldn't be bound by another Capcom "test", the chance of another DMC would be more likely.

Game does great - no more DMC. Game does bad - just as likely no more DMC.
 
Funchameleon said:
This shit will be remembered just like the outcry when Final Fantasy went multiplatform
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So DmC is FF13 and severely damaged the brand? I can see that.

Yes, I know you actually mean that most of the outrage was completely unfounded. It isn't quite the same. FF13 going multi-plat doesn't really change the game, DmC is a change.
A closer comparison and what Capcom is hoping for would something like RE4 or Mass Effect 2.
 
odd_morsel said:
DMC4 came near the beginning of a new generation: sequels of big franchises almost always do big numbers when it's the first of its kind in a new gen (see: FFX, MGS2 which both outsold their sequels).

DMC4 probably soured a lot of potential fans in the process by being a mediocre slog with a terrible story.

DMC also coming at the end of a generation, sales have slowed down markedly all over the shop.

It's no big surprise that it isn't setting the world alight in sales, but I'm sure some of us would like to see it do well/better.
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I can buy DMC3 affecting DMC4's sales for the better, but why would 4 affect DmC for the worse? Wouldn't people disappointed with 4 be more likely to give the reboot a shot than people who liked 4?
 
Principate said:
Like I said expectations for this are 2 million well below DMC 4 so even they believed this was going to sell worse. Which was why I guessed they were aiming for DmC 2 sales.
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Should be said that 2 million is until the end of the fiscal year, specifically the end of March. But yeah, it's below what DMC4 did, which makes the very high likelihood of it missing that target even more disappointing for Capcom.
 
Pein said:
I'm so happy that DmC is fun as hell. I'm gonna double dip on the PC version just because its so good. Good games deserve support and I'm happy to oblige. Your attitude about the whole thing is disgusting and childish.



while razor's edge it is way better than 3, I think as a whole dmc is better than razor's edge.
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If he had omitted the part about not caring whether or not DmC was a good game, there probably wouldn't be as much backlash as there is now. He gave understandable reasons for a fan of the franchise which are personally his own opinions.

I didn't think his statement was that bad, but neither do I entirely agree with his views. It's a mixed bag. I don't mind if NT does well or not on this game, but if it's a good game then I'll enjoy it and furthermore, I'll hope other DMC fans will pick it up and understand that it's okay. It's a little different, but it's okay.
 
Mokudin said:
I can buy DMC3 affecting DMC4's sales for the better, but why would 4 affect DmC for the worse? Wouldn't people disappointed with 4 be more likely to give the reboot a shot than people who liked 4?
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I think you're average person, if turned off by one entry, is going to be less interested in a future entry. It's kind of with books and movies: if you didn't like the first, the sequel is less likely to grab you. DmC may have been a reboot, but that isn't a guarantee that a person will come back to it.

Of course, we really need to wait and see what happens with DmC. If it becomes apparent it won't hit the 2 mil mark (or not without significant price drops), then people can dig and see what made it so. Whether it was being soured by DMC4, turned off by the direction of the game, heard enough negative opinions to not consider it, lack of general interest in gaming, etc.
 
Dahbomb said:
Dat Capcom logic.
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It's quite fantastic. Fans hated seeing Dante rebooted, so they rebooted Vergil too. SSF4 was too good, so they purposely made SSF4AE broken. Consolidated their best talent into one studio, just so they can close it. Etc, etc.

I'm very convinced that the more DmC bombs the more likely we are to see DmC2.
 
DmC is number one but DMC4 wasn't. The market shrinked since then but is it DmC fault to sell less since the title released years ago?
wtf, since when to be top 1 in sales is to bomb? C'mon gaf!
Principate said:
Like I said expectations for this are 2 million well below DMC 4 so even they believed this was going to sell worse. Which was why I guessed they were aiming for DmC 2 sales.
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Wrong, DMC4 sold 2.6M LTD
DMC3 sold 1.3M LTD
DMC2 sold 1.7M LTD
DMC sold 2.16M LTD

http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html
 
yurinka said:
DmC is number one but DMC4 wasn't. The market shrinked since then but is it DmC fault to sell less since the title released years ago?
wtf, since when to be top 1 in sales is to bomb? C'mon gaf!
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when the numbers are are poor. why is that so hard to grasp? position means nothing if you didn't actually sell that much.
 
Well I guess the place the game is at is irrelevant. It depends on what month it released and if anything major such as a console launched around the same etc. A game coming in at the number 7 spot now for example would hold bad numbers, but a game at the number 7 spot at Christmas could still represent decent numbers.
 
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